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 Jvelmar
       
Location: Taunton, MA, USA
Gender: Male
Hi!
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<Reply # 60 on 5/2/2008 4:35 AM >
|  | | | Me: "Uhh, I was hoping to find some moving targets for my new glock, officer."
Cop: "Moving targets, in an abandoned building? The most you'll find here is a few dirty old hobos and maybe some rats."
Me: "Yeah, I haven't even been looking for the rats...They're too small."
Cop: "Oh...?"
Me: "Well, hopefully I'll find some dirty old bastard running around."
Cop: "I, uhh... You, uhh... Hmm..." *shakes head and walks away*
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 61 on 5/5/2008 6:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by Skold...I find telling the truth without excessive details, and not being a douche, gets the job done...
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Without excessive details, or with the wrong excessive details. Start rambling about something relatively off-topic (construction of 19th century somethings)... and they will begin to tune you out. Just stay away from key words. Arson, Graffiti, Crime, Dangerous. Even if they fit in conversation, they start the wrong wheels churning in LEO's mind.
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And never run unless you are sure you can get away. And even then not unless there's a really good reason. The last time I had to talk to security my friend idiot acquaintance was getting all ready to sprint off. He hadn't even done anything. I threatened his life under my breath... and the officer talked to the group of people next to us and completely ignored our group. Now, had he sprinted off into the night... then we would have been questioned, faces remembered, so on and suchforth.
I bought a DSLR 35% so I could learn to take pictures, and 65% as a credibility prop. Girls also make good credibility props. They would never do something as irresponsible as crane-climbing. And if its 1 boy 1 girl... the excuse should present itself.
"Sir" and "Ma'am" are key words to use.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Recovery
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Gender: Female
| | | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 62 on 5/6/2008 1:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by PhotoSeeker
I have told my daughter, also a UE enthusiast, that the camera is a passport. The mere sight of it hanging around your neck is often enough to scream innocence. |
Do not be so confident. I have been arrested by the owner of a UE site, this very Sunday, and he HATES photographers. Says everyone comes with a camera. And since everything gets broken, well... there must be a connection between the two, says he. He also tracks pictures posted on internet. He understands that in a way they help publicise the site and make it even more popular.
To give you an idea, the three of us were carrying fully open Manfrotto tripods with big body cameras attached. My partners are more than 50 yr old. He was not impressed.
Now, to his question "Why are you so interested in taking that kind of picture" I honestly answered: "because it is beautiful". He choked.
[last edit 5/6/2008 1:08 AM by Recovery - edited 5 times]
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Senseriffic
Location: Elizabeth, NJ
I am drowning in a digital sea
| | | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 63 on 6/7/2008 4:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by Recovery
Do not be so confident. I have been arrested by the owner of a UE site, this very Sunday, and he HATES photographers. Says everyone comes with a camera. And since everything gets broken, well... there must be a connection between the two, says he. He also tracks pictures posted on internet. He understands that in a way they help publicise the site and make it even more popular.
To give you an idea, the three of us were carrying fully open Manfrotto tripods with big body cameras attached. My partners are more than 50 yr old. He was not impressed.
Now, to his question "Why are you so interested in taking that kind of picture" I honestly answered: "because it is beautiful". He choked.
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yeah sometimes they DON'T want our kind around... especially in NJ... weird nj has made this hobby a lot more difficult, i was excited when i first found the magazine at 14... but as it got more popular, things got more and more destroyed, things were purposely burned down to keep assholes from making trouble for the neighbors ect ect
"my cat is lost" has always been my excuses for going into houses, its better than a dog because cats are usually antisocial and sneaky, more likely to go into a house.
The blind lead the blind into bottomless pits,
Still we smile and deny that we're cursed.
But of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst. |
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DJ Craig
  
Moderator
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| |  | | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 64 on 6/9/2008 3:23 AM >
| | | | "I'm looking for my lost dog!"
"My friend and I were playing frisbee and the frisbee went over here somewhere."
"My model rocket (or my son's or niece/nephew's) came down over here somewhere."
OK, I've never used any of these. And I'm not sure that I would. But I'd be interested to know if they work. Has anyone tried something like this? These could be made pretty convincing with some simple props (a frisbee, or a model rocket that you just throw up into a tree somewhere when you first get there, or some photos of your precious dog).
I would be afraid to claim that I'm doing this for a class if I'm exploring anywhere around my school in case they ask who the professor is. I've never actually been caught, but if I was, I would say that I'm a freelance photographer for JPG Magazine (JPGmag.com) which is kinda sorda technically true. JPG Magazine is a place for sharing photography, but they select the best photos from the site to go in the magazine, and if your photo gets selected, you get $100.
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess |
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 65 on 6/9/2008 9:22 AM >
| | | | Yesterday I was stopped by a friendly security guard while I was scouting out the base of an abandoned hotel. My excuse was that I was cutting through the property in an attempt to get up the mountain behind it, which is a very popular tourist spot.
It didn't hurt that right after he sent me on my way, another couple walked right up to him and asked exactly the same thing, how to get up to the tourist spot. And they didn't look like urban explorers.
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Oryx
Location: Who knows
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| | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 66 on 6/9/2008 4:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by Senseriffic
yeah sometimes they DON'T want our kind around... especially in NJ... weird nj has made this hobby a lot more difficult, i was excited when i first found the magazine at 14... but as it got more popular, things got more and more destroyed, things were purposely burned down to keep assholes from making trouble for the neighbors ect ect
"my cat is lost" has always been my excuses for going into houses, its better than a dog because cats are usually antisocial and sneaky, more likely to go into a house.
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Yeah I used to love that magazine way back when it first came out, but now it just attracts all the wrong people. luckily I got to most of the places before they became way too popular. Now they're all demolished or ridiculously patrolled. Basically if it's in the zine, forget it.
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Sarnia Boy
Location: Sarnia, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 67 on 6/25/2008 7:28 AM >
| | | | if im not inside the building and its not high security, just taking a shortcut works just fine
From this sandy edge
The rolling sea breaks my revenge
With each whisper a thousand waves, I hear a roar... I'm coming home |
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Raticus
Moderator
Location: Tyler
Gender: Male
Ratus exploricus abandonae
| | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 68 on 6/28/2008 10:21 PM >
| | | | There are some good tips here, and some that suck. But the truth about all this is that every situation is different. Seriously. No two exploration trips that end with having to explain yourself are the same.
You have to be able to think on your feet to work your way out of it. And sometimes, it just doesn't work no matter what you do. But there are no magic words that have a better average of "getting you off". You just have to do what works for you.
One of the best pieces of advise I've seen in this thread though that someone said on page 1 is - "Be confident, that you don't appear as a vandal, and that you're doing nothing wrong, and they'll usually end up feeling the same way"
[last edit 6/28/2008 10:24 PM by Raticus - edited 1 times]
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools speak because they have to say something. |
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Jvelmar
Location: Taunton, MA, USA
Gender: Male
Hi!
| | | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 69 on 6/30/2008 4:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Raticus
There are some good tips here, and some that suck. But the truth about all this is that every situation is different. Seriously. No two exploration trips that end with having to explain yourself are the same.
You have to be able to think on your feet to work your way out of it. And sometimes, it just doesn't work no matter what you do. But there are no magic words that have a better average of "getting you off". You just have to do what works for you.
One of the best pieces of advise I've seen in this thread though that someone said on page 1 is - "Be confident, that you don't appear as a vandal, and that you're doing nothing wrong, and they'll usually end up feeling the same way"
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Wow, that guy sounds really smart... The truth is, this works most of the time , and it has worked dozens of times for me(say 99% kid tested, mother approved). There is still the a__hole police officers out there, that don't care, except that they want to feel some small personal victory by arresting you.
This is where I give another tip that might help. The truth is that I have been arrested only two times for trespassing in a UE fashion. This so far has an approval rating of 75%, because the first time I got off with absolutely no charges, and the second time the charges were dropped/dismissed.
IF YOU GET ARRESTED...
Do NOT LIE...especially obvious lies... Use your real name, address, etc. Don't deny that you were trespassing, taking pictures, or anything they can prove. Understand that even if the cop is an asshole, they are doing their JOB by arresting you...even if it's something so petty. Fighting, yelling, crying(guys), lying, running, hiding, dropping/deleting equipment WILL make your charges VERY STICKY.
Treat the officer with respect, whether they deserve it or not, because while they wear that badge, they demand it. Give straight answers to their eyes/face (or as close as you can get [forehead, chin, neck, ear] because it shows a lot of confidence to look into their eyes, or to make it appear as if you are) which means no "uhm", "and uhh"...
As long as you're not vandalizing or stealing, you actually have to believe that what you are doing isn't wrong.
Don't auto-incriminate. "I didn't think [insert excuse]", or "I know I was wrong, but [insert bullshit]", usually just make you look stupid, or are trying to make yourself look stupid to get away with it. "I didn't think..." is bologna and you brought a camera which is the evidence that you preemptively thought about what you were going to do with the camera. "I know I was wrong..." proves that you knew it was wrong all along and did it anyway!
If you don't have straight answers or are looking around like you are hoping for some divine inspiration, they're going to believe that you're making up stories. Remember that you were wrong, and they are right. It doesn't hurt to drop in a "yes", "I understand", "you're absolutely right", and a couple "sir/ma`am" in there. You can use all of these if you do it right, especially if you can squeeze them in BEFORE you get arrested and tossed in the cruiser: "I was just hoping to take some harmless pictures", "I'm sorry I bothered you", "Wanna see the pictures?", and/or "Should I just get out of here?".
You might say you didn't believe you were "maliciously" or "criminally" trespassing as your intentions were clearly only to take pictures. Do NOT try covertly swapping memory cards or deleting yours. They're automatically going to think you're hiding something bad. You might get away with deleting an incriminating picture or two if you say you were "Just making sure they saved correctly".
I am NOT telling you to LIE directly to a cop, but your opinion, values, and the way you express yourself might be a little different. You can sometimes get away with thinking that trespassing meant to just not do anything bad on the property. The confidence is a must, because if you believe it wasn't a bad thing to just find a historical/interesting place, you just might be able to convince them.
IF you are going to jump out of your skin at the sign of a police officer...take someone else along with you who's stronger, smart on the fly without being sarcastic, and can/will talk so you don't have to. After a brush or two/three/four/etc with the police, you'll be able to look one right in the eye and your chances of walking away just went up.
Peace,
Sacey
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chumpsta5
Location: Minneapolis/St.Paul
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 70 on 6/30/2008 5:59 AM >
| | | | Scouting is a very important piece and generally prevents you from being caught.
I am glad in my experience have yet to be questioned just harassed by neighboring company security who had dogs. When I have came close it was some old abandoned place that had a no visible reason security system and frankly i felt there was no well put together explanation I could give because it was a "tough to get into situation" and I ran for high hell. But I think every situation is different and just don't fumble around when talking to security and they will most likely let you go or give a small trespassing ticket. And I would rather have that than a B&E any day.
(Disclosure purposes)
Not saying I have been in buildings/places that may warrant a B&E but you never know who owns what and who/how you get prosecuted if caught.
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bandito
Location: Northern NJ
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE Excuses
<Reply # 71 on 7/1/2008 11:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by saceist
Treat the officer with respect, whether they deserve it or not, because while they wear that badge, they demand it. Give straight answers to their eyes/face (or as close as you can get [forehead, chin, neck, ear] because it shows a lot of confidence to look into their eyes, or to make it appear as if you are) which means no "uhm", "and uhh"...
Remember that you were wrong, and they are right. It doesn't hurt to drop in a "yes", "I understand", "you're absolutely right", and a couple "sir/ma`am" in there. You can use all of these if you do it right, especially if you can squeeze them in BEFORE you get arrested and tossed in the cruiser: "I was just hoping to take some harmless pictures", "I'm sorry I bothered you", "Wanna see the pictures?", and/or "Should I just get out of here?".
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Great rule is call a cop "Officer" and a State Trooper "Trooper" Many are so insecure and drunk with power that they get off on you calling them that and get pissed when you don't. Even though cops are a pain in the ass and have major God complexes, kiss their ass, it works..Being nice to people makes it incredibly hard for them to be dicks to you.
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