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 aaronni
    
Location: South Puget Sound
 |  | Your exploits and UER
< on 12/17/2007 2:38 AM >
|  | | | This thread was originally intended to be a primer for novices in the PNW forum but it's been redone for the Rookie section.
There are three people who look at these very public forums, explorers, security companies/police and random looky loos.
See the second group? Those the first people you should worry about, security companies will routinely google the sites they're paid to keep secure, I know for a fact they do because of specific entrances at some of my favorite sites being secured after I hinted about them. When you post a thread inquiring about a location if you select it to be publically viewable then you're basically alerting whatever authority to your intentions to trespass.
Secondly, posting photos of your location is your choice, I wont touch the debate of whether it's good or bad to post photos on UER but it's best to keep them viewable by members only if you're able too and if they must be publically viewable be damn sure to keep street signs, shots over the rooftop or any other identifiable features to yourself. A photo from the rooftop and a hint what city your location is in is all it takes for someone to find it. To end this point I wont say posting photos on UER or any website is good or bad to a location, all I will say is it will bring more attention to it.
Thirdly, do you know the people to explore with? Do you really know them? Now, who do you casually mention your locations too? The people who don't explore but enjoy hearing about your tales of heroism. This is the "Loose Lips Sink Ships" point, word spreads fast.
Sure you trust your friends, but do you trust your friends friends? Do you even know them that well? This is what causes word to spread about an abandonment, more often than not the result is broken windows, vandalism, theft and the building is well on it's way downhill. Word will spread quicker, more people going, a fire will be started, drinking, parties and then the cops will check the place since they know they'll find someone there.
Now, the first step in preventing any of this is keeping any thread you create viewable only by members of this forum, see below the button "SpellCheck and Post New Thread"? It says "Make this thread Publically Viewable." If you check it non-members will be able to see what you've just posted. This is the first step, lets all give it a shot ok?
P.S. As this post was originally intended for a regional forum and not the whole of UER I didnt expect a debate to arise so lets please tread lightly.
[last edit 12/17/2007 7:05 AM by aaronni - edited 1 times]
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Agent Skelly
   
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| |  |  |  | Re: PNW Advice for Novices
<Reply # 1 on 12/17/2007 3:08 AM >
| | | | Um...I am confused...what incident brung this up?
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aaronni
Location: South Puget Sound
| | Re: PNW Advice for Novices
<Reply # 2 on 12/17/2007 3:13 AM >
| | | | The incident I speak of is just an example of posting information on a publically viewable forum. I didnt mean to go into specifics because, well, that's what the thread's about.
never know until you go |
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| | | | | Re: PNW Advice for Novices
<Reply # 3 on 12/17/2007 3:23 AM >
| | | | Posted by AaronNi
The incident I speak of is just an example of posting information on a publically viewable forum. I didnt mean to go into specifics because, well, that's what the thread's about.
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I'm not aware of any incident that matches that.
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joeyofnepal
 
Location: Memphis
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 4 on 12/17/2007 7:40 PM >
| | | | I feel like I just read a pamphlet handed to me from a guy on the street
There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum. -Arthur C. Clarke |
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maypost
 
Location: North, South, East, West, all around... then down to the underground
Gender: Male
Exploring if for n00bz0rz
| | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 5 on 12/17/2007 7:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by Agent Skelly
I'm not aware of any incident that matches that.
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I am
Exploring is like tattoos... They stopped being cool in 2005
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MutantMandias
 
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 6 on 12/17/2007 8:10 PM >
| | | | Posted by AaronNi
Thirdly, do you know the people to explore with? Do you really know them?
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Makes me think of the short story, "Button, Button" by Richard Matheson, who wrote I Am Legend, which reminds me that I have to finish watching the last few minutes of The Omega Man before I can go see I Am Legend.
...what were you talking about?
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 7 on 12/17/2007 10:14 PM >
| | | | Doesn't making a thread not publically viewable hide it from the... partial members? Can these... incomplete members make threads that are not publically viewable? If not, then should we just tell all the... junior members just STFU about their explorations, the locations they have visited and so on? And if here's nothing for them since everything is full members only...
There's nothing bad in being cautious, but in most cases there's no need to be paranoid. Usually the locations we visit are already well-known and well-visited among other explorers, non-explorers, enemies of the explorers and so on, and everyone knows that one just doesn't post any info or photos of "special" locations, entry points (against the rules, IIRC) or upcoming explorations (since they might be expecting you).
I really wanted to use a metaphor "we're not fighting with the Germans this time" because you used a WW2-era propaganda poster and it would've been so bad because we fought with the Germans, but it wouldn't fit anywhere. A wasted bad joke 
All information and details given in good faith but not guaranteed! |
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Emperor Wang
Location: On an island, in a river
Fetish? What fetish?
| | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 8 on 12/19/2007 7:00 AM >
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Thanks for that, AaronNi. Everybody here, newbs and full members alike, should re-read that post.
Posted by Tupsumato
Doesn't making a thread not publically viewable hide it from the... partial members? Can these... incomplete members make threads that are not publically viewable? If not, then should we just tell all the... junior members just STFU about their explorations, the locations they have visited and so on? And if here's nothing for them since everything is full members only...
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Threads started by basic members are publically viewable by default. If the thread contains information you feel is sensitive, please contact Av or one of the mods. We can modify posts to remove sensitive information, even after the normal 24 hour time limit. We can also make publically viewable threads private after the fact. If the thread was started by a basic member, it will remain viewable by the member that started it, as well as any basic members that posted in it before it was made private.
It's great to be alive! |
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 9 on 12/19/2007 12:16 PM >
| | | | A few years ago a private detective was hired to collect information on one of my friends and his UE friends. He added them on MSN and started asking nosy questions about their UE activities. He didn't fool anybody and the account got hacked. Don't think it doesn't happen.
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 10 on 12/19/2007 3:08 PM >
| | | | I think it's good to err on the side of caution, but it's remarkably arrogant to think that the police & other authorities monitor this site every minute of every hour, watching to see what those crazy explorers will be up to next. I think they have better things to do, like deal with murderers and so on.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just don't think you need to be overly paranoid. What Wang said was correct, but I think that threads should be public unless there is a specific reason for why they are not.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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aaronni
Location: South Puget Sound
| | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 11 on 12/19/2007 6:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I think it's good to err on the side of caution, but it's remarkably arrogant to think that the police & other authorities monitor this site every minute of every hour, watching to see what those crazy explorers will be up to next. I think they have better things to do, like deal with murderers and so on.
-av
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I agree that most police/federal authorities are too concerned with bigger issues since we're "Small Fries" but security guards, security companies and nosy neighbors (Of abandonments.) do have the time to waste between rounds to casually Google a place and see what the hits are.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 12 on 12/19/2007 7:33 PM >
| | | | People surf the web all the time, including LEOs. This site would be a magnet like MySpace once stumbled upon.
What's better to help put together a case then a dialog by the suspect themselves?
With pictures, excellent. Even if they can't use it as evidence, it gives them a good leg up.
Worse are the new super computers that are now online that can scan (?????)millions of packets of data an hour looking for keywords, phrases, even images (intelligent interrogation of data, by machine?).
These surveillance systems are totally impersonal, and invisible; you are far from invisible though.
If you receive or sent anything on the web, expect it can and will be seen possible by any number of LEOs.
The odds are prolly small, but it all depends on a bunch of unknown variables.
However, this will only get worse in the future as more and better super computers are brought online.
~if your dumb enough to say, there's someone smart enough to listen~
[last edit 12/20/2007 12:24 AM by blackhawk - edited 1 times]
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Deuterium
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 13 on 12/20/2007 12:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by racetraitor
A few years ago a private detective was hired to collect information on one of my friends and his UE friends. He added them on MSN and started asking nosy questions about their UE activities. He didn't fool anybody and the account got hacked. Don't think it doesn't happen.
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Someone representing Do-mt.ar corporation registered as lighthouse and stirred shit with Witek & other Ottawa crew...
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 14 on 12/20/2007 3:40 AM >
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| Worse are the new super computers that are now online that can scan (?????)millions of packets of data an hour looking for keywords, phrases, even images |
That's called illegal wiretapping, and any evidence that these packet sniffers brought about would, of course, not be admissible in court.
Guys, I really think you're being overly paranoid here.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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yota94
Location: AEQUITS.VERITAS. CALI.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 15 on 12/20/2007 4:04 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
That's called illegal wiretapping, and any evidence that these packet sniffers brought about would, of course, not be admissible in court.
Guys, I really think you're being overly paranoid here.
-av
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i completely agree av
UER might as well be crack...
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 16 on 12/20/2007 4:06 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
That's called illegal wiretapping, and any evidence that these packet sniffers brought about would, of course, not be admissible in court.
Guys, I really think you're being overly paranoid here. |
I tend to agree. I mean, with Lighthouse doing some investigative snooping, who knows what he found... (sarcasm intended)
To be truthful, no major incidents have been reported as a result of someone posting information on UER. Other sites may be a tad more questionable, especially if they divulge more on the topic of trespassing, breaking-and-entering (i.e. how do I pick this specific lock) or evading police. I've heard of cases regarding specifically to that, but for general urban exploration?
I've managed a site for years and have been within some high-profile locations -- legally and illegally. I've been questioned a few times, mainly after there has been a high-profile trespassing or copper theft/general theft bust, but they hold no harm or grudge against my works. Present yourself in a credible manner, answer their questions and be truthful: that's what works best. I've not had any charges filed and all were quite understanding; heck, I even post personal details regarding myself on my web-site.
I think some people are overreaching here.
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Furious D
Location: Northern Ontario
Gender: Male
The Night Time is the Right Time
| | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 17 on 12/20/2007 4:11 AM >
| | | | My brother has a friend that was busted a few years back for posting photos of an active place he got into. Someone who worked for the company saw the photos and ratted him out. Its not a major cause for concern, but a good thing to be aware of.
"The time of getting fame for your name on its own is over. Artwork that is only about wanting to be famous will never make you famous. Fame is a by-product of doing something else. You don't go to a restaurant and order a meal because you want to have a shit."
-Banksy
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 18 on 12/20/2007 4:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by Furious D
My brother has a friend that was busted a few years back for posting photos of an active place he got into. Someone who worked for the company saw the photos and ratted him out. Its not a major cause for concern, but a good thing to be aware of. |
Active sites are a totally different breed. I guess I was writing from the standpoint of abandonments.
Of course, going into active construction sites or buildings will raise issues, especially if you are caught and they find much more than you were bargaining for.
Abandoned |
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Your exploits and UER
<Reply # 19 on 12/20/2007 4:22 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
Someone representing Do-mt.ar corporation registered as lighthouse and stirred shit with Witek & other Ottawa crew...
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Oh yeah, I remember that. Very similar case.
So it does happen. Maybe not all the time and maybe not to everybody, but it's smart to take precautions.
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