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 zenjaphy
  
Location: Buffalo, NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 20 on 3/21/2007 2:26 AM >
|  | | | those who don't consider themselves newbs and thus don't want to go through a newb trial period don't deserve to have access...because they are obviously too concerned with their ego and less concerned with keeping exploring something that is possible to do.
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I think it's part ego and part impatience. When you've been at this for a while with no support structure (as I have) finding a place like this seems too good to be true. So you get impatient and want to have everything at once and you don't think. I've certainly said some dumbassed things on this board, but like everything else it's trial and error.
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blackhawk
 
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 21 on 3/21/2007 5:04 AM >
| | | | Posted by zenjaphy
I've certainly said some dumbassed things on this board, but like everything else it's trial and error.
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You lie...
After a statement like that, I HAD to look through your posts.
I thought there be a pic of you with a case of spray paint at the top of Mt
Rushmore.
What a let down
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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zenjaphy
Location: Buffalo, NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 22 on 3/21/2007 5:12 AM >
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I disappoint on the internet as surely as I do in real life!
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Debi
 
Location: Worcester County, MA
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 23 on 3/21/2007 7:47 PM >
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Its too bad the new people to the site don't take the time to read, read and read some more of whats already posted before they start posting. Luckily, I did, and I one of the first things I realized is that asking for freebies are frowned upon. I understand the adrenaline of wanting to get started right away; but respect the new territory that you are treading upon.
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Dark Seaker
Location: Maryland
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<Reply # 24 on 3/21/2007 9:26 PM >
| | | | Hey, I'm new but i agree. Some sites should not be out there for just anyone to read in an effort to preserve them. There are a few places i know of that i would not openly post the locations for but if another explorer, not a tagger, came to me and asked i would let them know. I know some new people that just expect you to give up all your information about a certain location, and that information took you time to find and compile and they just expect it to be given to them. Thats not the way it should be. If you really want to know, there are ways of finding out other then posting "where is this . . . ". Research and Google are what separates the true Explores from the Tourist. Nothing against new guys but they should respect the ways things are done.
DarkSeaker
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Air
  
Location: Canada
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<Reply # 25 on 3/22/2007 2:57 AM >
| | | | Well I'm gonna say that PM people when you dont know them with 15 messages about a location, wanting to know access pointz/security/etc when you've only been a member of UER for about 5 minutes is not gonna make you any friends.
I understand not all people have access to meets either, but many people take their time to ease into the site around here and they get to know people online. I've met people on here from other sites and they have shown me their portfolios or blogs and I have submitted a recommendation for them. (This doesnt mean I'm keen on getting 20 messages tomorrow)
I will not respond to PM from people I don't know anymore, especially very new members, and people who dont have their websites/photos/blogs listed. If your not going to make an attempt at being open to establish some cred', don't expect me or anyone else for that matter to be friendly, I dont know you.
I'm sure that's the general attitude on all other sites as well.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 26 on 3/22/2007 4:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Well I'm gonna say that PM people when you dont know them with 15 messages about a location, wanting to know access pointz/security/etc when you've only been a member of UER for about 5 minutes is not gonna make you any friends.
I understand not all people have access to meets either, but many people take their time to ease into the site around here and they get to know people online. I've met people on here from other sites and they have shown me their portfolios or blogs and I have submitted a recommendation for them. (This doesnt mean I'm keen on getting 20 messages tomorrow)
I will not respond to PM from people I don't know anymore, especially very new members, and people who dont have their websites/photos/blogs listed. If your not going to make an attempt at being open to establish some cred', don't expect me or anyone else for that matter to be friendly, I dont know you.
I'm sure that's the general attitude on all other sites as well.
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Was it my dirty talk that made you turn away? I really have to stop using that stuff I see written on the lab stalls as poetry...
[last edit 3/22/2007 2:58 PM by blackhawk - edited 1 times]
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Air
Location: Canada
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<Reply # 27 on 3/22/2007 2:39 PM >
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Was it my dirty talk that made turn away? I really have to stop using that stuff I see written on the lab stalls as poetry...
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I must have missed that PM. All the "how do I access the brickworks and the hearn...and where is security, and what should i take and...and...lame.
Its like they didnt take a deep breath, or something.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 28 on 3/22/2007 3:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
I must have missed that PM. All the "how do I access the brickworks and the hearn...and where is security, and what should i take and...and...lame.
Its like they didnt take a deep breath, or something.
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Jeeeeesze FNGs, leave the girl alone!
I get that every now and then, but not much.
Hey, can you keep a secret?
So can I!
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 29 on 3/22/2007 3:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by Dark Seaker
I know some new people that just expect you to give up all your information about a certain location, and that information took you time to find and compile and they just expect it to be given to them. Thats not the way it should be. If you really want to know, there are ways of finding out other then posting "where is this . . . ". Research and Google are what separates the true Explores from the Tourist. Nothing against new guys but they should respect the ways things are done.
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Actually, that's not really the way things are done. There are some exceptions, but the majority of people here (new and old members alike) seem to find places to explore without either using the database or asking for details from other members. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with this, but I think there's a bit of hypocrisy going on here. For example, it's perfectly acceptable for an existing member to start a thread about how they're going to be travelling to a certain place and how they'd like to know about places to explore. Some go as far as asking for someone to lead them around like a personal tour guide, which is fine, but we shouldn't be giving new people a hard time when they ask similar questions. Most of the time, they're just looking for a way to be able to get their feet wet. Point is, if we're going to start ranting about how new people can't be bothered to do any legwork on their own, then perhaps we should start practicing what we preach and make a bit more effort ourselves.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 30 on 3/22/2007 8:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
Actually, that's not really the way things are done. There are some exceptions, but the majority of people here (new and old members alike) seem to find places to explore without either using the database or asking for details from other members. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with this, but I think there's a bit of hypocrisy going on here. For example, it's perfectly acceptable for an existing member to start a thread about how they're going to be travelling to a certain place and how they'd like to know about places to explore. Some go as far as asking for someone to lead them around like a personal tour guide, which is fine, but we shouldn't be giving new people a hard time when they ask similar questions. Most of the time, they're just looking for a way to be able to get their feet wet. Point is, if we're going to start ranting about how new people can't be bothered to do any legwork on their own, then perhaps we should start practicing what we preach and make a bit more effort ourselves.
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If we did away with the current tier system of trust, that would achieve your goal of making everyone here equal. Life's not fair.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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UEinthe253
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<Reply # 31 on 3/22/2007 8:33 PM >
| | | | This shouldn't be too difficult to do. Ninjalicious talks about it in his book, which I highly recommend. He also gives a list of some helpful sites for just that. Here are some: http://www.epa.gov/superfund/
http://ludb.clui.org/
http://www.emporis.com/en/
http://www.nationa...istoricplaces.com/
Also just try to keep your eyes open when you're outside and you'll find some pretty interesting things. Even for someone like me who is new to UE, I've already found some neat places, just by looking around whenever I ride the city bus. Good luck! ^^
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true_infinity
Location: Rockford, IL.
Gender: Male
Jerk of the Year
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<Reply # 32 on 3/22/2007 9:18 PM >
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I wish everyone with a one month star had as much sense as yourself.
~b
Leo1: You cant just wander around Gary going into old buildings! Theres plenty of crackheads that will bust you in the mouth for that camera, then run a train your ladyfriends.
Me: I like Gary, I think its nice, aside from the lack of eats on a Sunday afternoon.
Leo2: Yeah, its really nice...until we find three dead strangers in an...abandoned...thing. |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 33 on 3/22/2007 10:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
If we did away with the current tier system of trust, that would achieve your goal of making everyone here equal. Life's not fair.
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I know for you it's probably not the case, but I don't think the refusal to help new people out has much to do with trust. To me that just seems like a convenient excuse.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 34 on 3/22/2007 11:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
I know for you it's probably not the case, but I don't think the refusal to help new people out has much to do with trust. To me that just seems like a convenient excuse.
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Depending on circumstances there's no set pattern to acquiring trust in someone; it's based on wisdom from past successes and failures.
You can trust a complete stranger to be completely unpredictable.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Air
Location: Canada
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<Reply # 35 on 3/23/2007 3:07 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Depending on circumstances there's no set pattern to acquiring trust in someone; it's based on wisdom from past successes and failures.
You can trust a complete stranger to be completely unpredictable.
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And as I have learned, see someone you thought you knew, be a complete liability and half.
True, you never can really know someone you've never met -- but in all honesty I'm more likely to respond to someone who has a site, or a history of postings then a n00b who might be some lazy long time explorer trolling for information, rather then a someone who might be deemed 'lazy' or otherwise.
That, or contacts through a friend of a friend. I've met up with a few people IRL who I havent known before but were linked by someone else I knew, even if just online. I've never had any problems with these peeps, but have had issues with other's I've met online (such as lavalife) yuk...
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hobophobe
Location: agharta, shambhala, ca
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 36 on 3/24/2007 1:50 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Dark Seaker
Some sites should not be out there for just anyone to read in an effort to preserve them.
I know some new people that just expect you to give up all your information about a certain location, ...and they just expect it to be given to them.
Research and Google are what separates the true Explores from the Tourist. Nothing against new guys but they should respect the ways things are done.
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DS, you're half right. Yes, total openness is bad.
But NO, new-ness of membership doesn't = a new explorer.
I've been on this board for more than a year, and I've been urbex for way longer. But the board still requires me to create 'board experience' or get kudos from other members to access what I need. This is frustrating b/c (1) I'm more experienced than many members, and (2) there's no one in San Diego on here!!!
Research? google? Dudes, I'm only here b/c I've exhausted all other resources. I doubt some of you would recognize some of the places I've been, looking up good sites. Even the ones that BLACKHAWK posted. good stuff for the beginner, tho.
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hobophobe
Location: agharta, shambhala, ca
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 37 on 3/24/2007 1:58 AM >
| | | | Anyway, if you check my corner of the map, you'll see my post; I came in here with MOST of the info I needed, and I didn't get a kind word. could it be that no one knows? yep. I worry I'm spending time here for no reason...
Quick Q to all you Senior Members -
if I come up with a question I can't answer on my own, like about an out-of-state site, would anyone at least say either
"Yes, we can help you with that" or
"no, no one can help you, don't waste your time chasing membership"?
That would be cool. You know, to save me the trip out there?
And if there's anything else I can to demonstrate credibility do beside making a website, i'll take suggestions. b/c i don't have pictures (mostly), and I'm no good with 'pooters.
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b-Rizzle
Location: New Jersey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: How to obtain site info on uer without pissing off people.
<Reply # 38 on 4/2/2007 7:04 PM >
| | | | I've been on UER for about a week now, and as a new member I found this thread to be very helpful. I pretty much assumed not to talk about specific locations (unless it's something obvious like a bridge) in threads, but it didn't hurt to give the tip for people who are new to this.
I think it would be great for all new members to have maybe a trial period where they can only post in a "New Member" section. Offtopic.com does something similar to that, new members are only allowed access to a certain area. Some people might bitch, but it usually only takes 2-3 days until they're granted membership.
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LuminousAphid
Location: Lynnwood, WA
Gender: Male
Armchair Explorer
| | | | Re: How to obtain site info on uer without pissing off people.
<Reply # 39 on 4/2/2007 7:44 PM >
| | | | I'm new, actually just joined yesterday on the forum, and have never "officially" gone exploring anywhere more interesting than a house out in the country. I can definitely understand the sentiment about new people just coming on and asking stuff like, "how do i get into *so-and-so place*, what kind of security, need info kthx." I think that would probably annoy me too if I had been doing this for a while, as it is probably a lot of work and time searching around for places, etc.
But at the same time, I really have no idea what I'm doing or how to even start getting into exploring. I don't have any pictures to gain someone's trust, since I've never been before, and I don't really know anyone personally who goes exploring, even informally. I mean, I'm definitely not going to act like a prick and bother people about locations, but it's kind of hard to get into this whole thing with very little experience besides reading some of the posts here and other sites. So for me, it seems like it will be hard to even get my feet wet. Just thought I'd add a perspective to the discussion; most others seem to have been exploring before they joined here, but I'm a total n00b.
P.S. I ordered "Access All Areas" on recommendation from you folks, so hopefully that will give me some info and more knowledge about the subject in general.
"See you guys, you never listen to me. I said there was gonna be trouble but you didn't listen to me. You guys are crazy. You know, you guys are self destructive. There's a funny farm and it has your names written all over it. But I'm gettin' out of here. I'm... I smell ice cream!" |
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