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< on 2/9/2007 12:58 AM >
|  | | | I think they're turning out better. I actually shot half a dozen HDRs down in this tunnel, but I had the ISO set too high on a lot of them and they turned out really grainy. As it was, I had to photoshop the hell out of this one.
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| |  | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 1 on 2/9/2007 3:38 AM >
| | | | Looks like it could have been taken with a single exposure. Lot of work for nothing if you ask me.
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<Reply # 2 on 2/9/2007 3:54 AM >
| | | | I would be proud of this one. I like how the light is diminishing the further you look down the tunnel. I'm not exactly sure how this is being presented, which may have some effect on my opinion. If you were trying to make the lighting look 100% natural, I would say it doesn't look that way to me. It appears that the natural lighting is rather "cool" as is evident by the right wall and grating on ceiling, while the unnatural light is is more "warm" as is evident by the light coming over your left shoulder. Its the color mix that makes it look unnatural to me.
Also, it doesn't look like it could have been done with a single exposure, and no Photoshop to me. And, its certainly not a lot of work for nothing, because you are learning more and more with every effort.
Thanks for submitting these for our "friendly" criticism. 
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| | | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 3 on 2/9/2007 4:02 AM >
| | | | actually, if you take the time to look at the picture and take every thing thats in it into consideration it could have been taken with one exposure. Wich would have eliminated having to take multiple. So in simple terms, this was not the best subject for hdr, because its a shot that could have been taken fine with one exposure. So in no way does this shot benefit from hdr. If thats not friendly criticsm I dont know what is. I could have just said hdr is stupid. But I didnt I gave advice so the person taking the picture would try to look at the picture first and say hmm does this really need to be multiple exposures, or can I get the shot I want with the same shadow and light detail with one.
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 4 on 2/9/2007 4:32 AM >
| | | | Guys, just ignore ryan. He's being a big girl because I keep ripping on how STRAIGHTEDGE HARDCORE he is, and I guess he thinks this is getting back at me.
Besides that, he's wrong. The tunnel was actually pitch black with bright noon-day sun coming down through holes in the tunnel roof. There was no way to take a long exposure without either underexposing the tunnel or blowing out the sunlit spots. But, I'm sure ryan has a magic camera that can get all the range in that situation.
In fact, here's the most even picture I could get with normal exposure:
Not a terrible picture, no, but not as good as the HDR. The areas closest to my light source (a lantern) are overexposed, the sunlit spots are even more overexposed, and the rear walls and rear roof of the tunnel are underexposed. And that was the most even picture possible on a normal exposure.
So, like I said, just ignore him. He's not giving criticism. He's trolling.
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 5 on 2/9/2007 4:37 AM >
| | | | Posted by cedew
If you were trying to make the lighting look 100% natural, I would say it doesn't look that way to me. It appears that the natural lighting is rather "cool" as is evident by the right wall and grating on ceiling, while the unnatural light is is more "warm" as is evident by the light coming over your left shoulder. Its the color mix that makes it look unnatural to me. |
Yeah... I had to use a propane lantern just to get enough light to expose the dark areas. It was actually dark enough you couldn't see where you were going at all.
I think the weird coloring is because of it. The propane lantern always seems to goof the colors up a little bit. If I was better with Photoshop I could probably correct it. But, it's kinda cool looking I guess.
Also, it doesn't look like it could have been done with a single exposure, and no Photoshop to me. And, its certainly not a lot of work for nothing, because you are learning more and more with every effort.
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Yeah, it totally couldn't have been done with one exposure, not unless I had a bunch of artificial light sources to stick down there. It was a totally dark tunnel with super-bright sunlit areas. The only reason the single exposure above even came out as good as it did is because of having the lantern cranked up as high as it goes.
I do think you're right about my getting better with these. This is definitely the best HDR I've done--probably because I actually found a situation where you need to use it to get a decent picture.
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| | | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 6 on 2/9/2007 4:39 AM >
| | | | I was trying to give you advice. Because you obviously need it. It was serious advice but if you dont want to take it thats fine with me. I have taken shots in way worse conditions then that and have never had to take multiple exposures. That shot is totaly dooable in the conditions you were in. But your probably right because your skill level with photography(oops sorry I mean hdr) Is so great I dont know what was I thinking. Gosh.
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 7 on 2/9/2007 4:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by ryanxpromise
I was trying to give you advice. Because you obviously need it. It was serious advice but if you dont want to take it thats fine with me. I have taken shots in way worse conditions then that and have never had to take multiple exposures. That shot is totaly dooable in the conditions you were in. But your probably right because your skill level with photography(oops sorry I mean hdr) Is so great I dont know what was I thinking. Gosh.
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Dude, you're wrong. I know you're dying to bust my balls for something to avenge your wounded sissy ego, but you're still wrong.
You couldn't see the ground you were walking on for the dark, and there was a cloudless sky shining sun through those holes. There was no way to properly expose all of the tunnel without either (1) doing it on a less sunny day or (2) going to another section of the tunnel where there were no holes in the ceiling. Or, doing an HDR.
But yeah, I know, your camera is obviously way more straightedge than mine and takes perfectly exposed pictures in those conditions. I don't know much about photography--but I know that's bullshit.
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| | | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 8 on 2/9/2007 4:59 AM >
| | | | Ha I give up you got me. My "ego" is so challenged by you. If you knew anything you were talking about you would realize your wrong. Also if you wernt so thick headed you would realized your a joke. Have fun with your wicked good HDR images. seriously I dont know what I was thinking your so much better then me.
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 9 on 2/9/2007 5:04 AM >
| | | | Posted by ryanxpromise
Ha I give up you got me. My "ego" is so challenged by you. If you knew anything you were talking about you would realize your wrong. Also if you wernt so thick headed you would realized your a joke. Have fun with your wicked good HDR images. seriously I dont know what I was thinking your so much better then me.
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That's it, Violet! You'll get me for sure this time.
You don't know what you're talking about. Actually, I suspect you know you're wrong here, but that you'd rather eat glass than admit it.
I'm a shitty photographer. I make no bones about it. But I do know a little. And I know you're not going to take a decent exposure in a pitch black tunnel with sunspots on the walls and floor. Ain't going to happen. You can say it will all you want, but this ain't a dimly lit hallway like the bazillion pictures you've taken of them. It's two extremes, and one's going to end up being under or overexposed.
You're full of shit. I'm sure it's straightedge hardcore shit, but you're still full of it.
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| | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 10 on 2/9/2007 5:06 AM >
| | | | For fucks sake, will you guys put your dicks away and get back to the subject?
Rabbit: Dont respond to anything he says, and dont antagonize.
Ryan: If youre going to take the time to post, make your comments specific. Dont just say shit like "Lot of work for nothing if you ask me". Its a fucking waste of time and does nothing for the forum.
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<Reply # 11 on 2/9/2007 5:11 AM >
| | | | Not that my opinion matters a damn around these parts, but I really like that shot.
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 12 on 2/9/2007 5:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by cedew
Rabbit: Dont respond to anything he says, and dont antagonize.
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Ha! Like hell. Like I could ever stop antagonizing somebody that's that easy to wind up.
Besides that, I just wanted to point out he was wrong. And actually, although it's precious how he was dying to get back at me, I don't blame him for thinking what he did. From looking at the HDR, you'd never know how fucking dark it was in that tunnel or how bright the sunspots were. We were tripping over rocks in the dark, though, despite how it looks in the picture.
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| | | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 13 on 2/9/2007 5:14 AM >
| | | | If you were tripping over rocks in the dark thats how the picture should have looked. Not over exposed shadows to show off uninteresting parts of what make up the image anway.
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<Reply # 14 on 2/9/2007 5:18 AM >
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There we go, a value added comment. Perhaps this image doesn't lend itself to HDR, though it's a good one for working on the workflow.
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 15 on 2/9/2007 5:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by ryanxpromise
If you were tripping over rocks in the dark thats how the picture should have looked. Not over exposed shadows to show off uninteresting parts of what make up the image anway.
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Now see, if that had been what you said from the start, I couldn't have argued with you, because that is a matter of opinion. If you think the dark areas of the tunnel should just be dark like they were in real life, that's your critique and I accept it.
However, what you said was that I could've taken the same picture with a single exposure. I tell you truly that I could not have.
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cedew
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<Reply # 16 on 2/9/2007 5:24 AM >
| | | | What happened to Pumpkin? 
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| | | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 17 on 2/9/2007 5:25 AM >
| | | | What I was trying to get you to see is there isnt a need to use HDR in a situation like that. The image would have come out looking a lot better with a single exposure at the correct exposure. Blending together multiple exposures of an "eh" picture doesnt make it a better image. The advice I was trying to give is work on your fundamentals before you jump the gun.
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 18 on 2/9/2007 5:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by ryanxpromise
What I was trying to get you to see is there isnt a need to use HDR in a situation like that. The image would have come out looking a lot better with a single exposure at the correct exposure. Blending together multiple exposures of an "eh" picture doesnt make it a better image. The advice I was trying to give is work on your fundamentals before you jump the gun.
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Uh, no you weren't. Seriously, you weren't. You posted a flippant little comment which anyone can see was designed to bust my balls.
Then, when cedew pointed out that your comment wasn't even correct, you went on a little more to try and back it up.
Then we both said you were wrong, you came up with this new story about the picture would look better as a non-HDR. (A dark-ass black tunnel with a few normally-exposed sunspots wouldn't look good to me, but that's a matter of opinion.)
You're totally spinning, dude. You were trolling plain and simple.
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| | | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 19 on 2/9/2007 5:44 AM >
| | | | What I was saying from post one was. That shot, from where you were standing, could have been taken with a single exposure and did not in any way need to be made into an hdr image. It would have been a far superior shot if it was a single correct exposure instead of trying to over compensate for the fact that the picture was bland to begin with. But you cant handle that fact because you want to oh so badly jump on that hdr train. I hate to break it to you but anyway you you process your pictures, they wont turn out well unless you learn the basics first.
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