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<Reply # 20 on 2/9/2007 5:44 AM >
|  | | | Rabbit, Ryan is giving actual constructive criticism, don't keep the grudge match going!
Also, what program are you using here...photomatix, cs2? I have not had a single image I would find acceptable from either program, and would be interested to know your specific process. Also, I havent used separate images per se. I take a single dark image, make a couple copies, and adjust the exposure in Lightroom. THEN, I try to use photomatix, or cs2...with no luck at default settings. Any tips?
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White Rabbit
   
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| |  | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 21 on 2/9/2007 6:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by ryanxpromise
What I was saying from post one was. That shot, from where you were standing, could have been taken with a single exposure and did not in any way need to be made into an hdr image. |
Well, no, that's not what you said. You said the same shot could be taken without HDR with the same shadows and highlights. It cannot.
| It would have been a far superior shot if it was a single correct exposure instead of trying to over compensate for the fact that the picture was bland to begin with. |
That's a matter of opinion, but I disagree. You either would've ended up with something like the "even" single exposure picture I posted above, or you would've ended up with a REALLY dark tunnel with normally-exposed sunspots.
If that's your idea of a "far superior shot," I disagree.
But, I'm sticking by my magical camera theory.
| But you cant handle that fact because you want to oh so badly jump on that hdr train. |
Yeah, I like HDR's. And shit, despite your claims, is a good situation to use HDR.
I hate to break it to you but anyway you you process your pictures, they wont turn out well unless you learn the basics first.
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Oh, please, teach me straightedge master!
Dude, you're so full of shit. Seriously. There's nothing you could do in the shooting situation I was in to get a decent normally-exposed picture. I know you're gonna keep saying that, because there's no way in hell you're going to admit otherwise, but it's the truth.
With a non-HDR in that kind of extreme contrast situation, it's eitehr get the crappy "even" exposure I posted above, get a WAY dark tunnel with normal sunspots, or do an HDR.
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 22 on 2/9/2007 6:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by cedew
Rabbit, Ryan is giving actual constructive criticism, don't keep the grudge match going! |
Come on. Do you honestly believe, going from the very first post he made in here, that he really posted to give me constructive criticism? I think you know better than that.
Not to mention--shock me, shock me--he was bitching about my HDR's the last time he made an attempt to get under my skin. I can take criticism--I've posted far worse pictures than this in here and gotten far worse criticism. But he's just looking for a way to bust my balls.
Also, what program are you using here...photomatix, cs2? I have not had a single image I would find acceptable from either program, and would be interested to know your specific process. Also, I havent used separate images per se. I take a single dark image, make a couple copies, and adjust the exposure in Lightroom. THEN, I try to use photomatix, or cs2...with no luck at default settings. Any tips?
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Photomatix. I've never tried the single image RAW thing. I just do 3-5 exposures at 1EV stop.
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<Reply # 23 on 2/9/2007 6:06 AM >
| | | | I love debating things with people like you because you have no Idea what your talking about and you get so frustrated you resort to insulting the way I live my life, its pretty funny actually. Seriously though I really am envious of all the super sweet locations you go to, I love all your pictures especially the one of you at that rad nike missile site where your taking the picture from out side through a window. That ones my fav. I'm done with responding to your ridiculous justifications as to why hdr was in that image. Good luck with your pictures, hopefully someday you will grasp the concept of what a good photo is. Untill then enjoy your ridiculously butchered digital images.
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 24 on 2/9/2007 6:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by ryanxpromise
I love debating things with people like you because you have no Idea what your talking about and you get so frustrated you resort to insulting the way I live my life, its pretty funny actually. Seriously though I really am envious of all the super sweet locations you go to, I love all your pictures especially the one of you at that rad nike missile site where your taking the picture from out side through a window. That ones my fav. I'm done with responding to your ridiculous justifications as to why hdr was in that image. Good luck with your pictures, hopefully someday you will grasp the concept of what a good photo is. Untill then enjoy your ridiculously butchered digital images.
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Oh God, cedew, you're right! How could I have not seen the legitimate criticism in there!
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cedew
| | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 25 on 2/9/2007 6:23 AM >
| | | | lmao
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sphinx
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| | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 26 on 2/10/2007 6:10 AM >
| | | | Take this elsewhere. No one wants to read it.
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 27 on 2/10/2007 6:15 AM >
| | | | i agree with Ryan's first post. This looks like a single exposure regardless.
Either way, this looks like a seriously neat tunnel.
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| | | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 28 on 2/10/2007 6:30 AM >
| | | | Stop being geeks. Ryan is right. Boohoo
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I find your lack of coziness.... disturbing.
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| | | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 29 on 2/10/2007 6:32 AM >
| | | | Ok, so... Dick-slinging aside, I like it. Your HDR needs work, mind you, but I do like the shot. I like the HDR better than the single exposure. (I can't do HDR for shit myself...)
Is all this arguing necessary? I get done like this, and frankly, I don't think it needs to be done. WR, ignore him. What he said originally wasn't really ver constructive, but let him have his elitist attitude. You keep working at what you're doing, because it looks fine and will get better. ^_~
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Alias
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 30 on 2/10/2007 6:42 PM >
| | | | I agree with Ryan look at my westbourne images for examples of doing this without using HDR.
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| | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 31 on 2/11/2007 1:24 AM >
| | | | I am not great at post processing, but I agree in the fact that it could have been done without HDR. I think your HDR version looks better than the single exposure though.
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 33 on 2/11/2007 5:21 PM >
| | | | Well, I think you guys that think it could be done single exposure only think that because it looks like the tunnel was dimly lit from the pictures I posted. It wasn't. It was black, with three or four super-bright sunspots.
I mean, look at the "even" picture I posted. I don't see how you're going to post-process that into looking as good as the HDR above looks. The sunspots are washed out and the columns along the back of the tunnel are so underexposed you can't even see them. And adjusting the exposure in either direction would just exacerbate one of those issues. You could do it with the tunnel being really dark and the sunspots normal, but you wouldn't be able to do it with the detail in both.
I mean, I shot that picture at ISO 400, f4 (I think), with a 15 second exposure, if that tells you anything about how dark it was.
So, seriously, I'm asking, how could you do that in one exposure? The only way I can see is to bring a bunch of light sources down there, which is going to result in a completely different type of picture anyway. (Unless you mean photoshopping it into a masterpiece, which I'm not good enough to do.)
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 34 on 2/11/2007 5:37 PM >
| | | | Look, here. Just to prove I'm not crazy, I took the most exposed picture that didn't have the sunspots overexposed (although they nearly are) and photoshopped it as best I could.
You're right. It's not terrible, I don't think it's as good as the HDR by a long shot. The columns along the ceiling in the back aren't even there, and even the tunnel walls that are close aren't exposed well. I mean, you could selectively brighten some of it in Photoshop, but for a lot of it, the detail just isn't going to be there.
It's not going to be a good picture. Am I crazy? What am I missing? Or this just because everyone hates HDR?
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sphinx
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| | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 35 on 2/11/2007 5:43 PM >
| | | | I think the HDR version looks awesome, and I think this was a good use for HDR.
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 36 on 2/12/2007 11:31 AM >
| | | | I think you need to learn to use the apature option on your camera and long exposure with torch painting how do u think people did this kind of photo before digital and photomatix was invented?????
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 37 on 2/12/2007 1:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by Alias
I think you need to learn to use the apature option on your camera and long exposure with torch painting how do u think people did this kind of photo before digital and photomatix was invented?????
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Uh, how am going to paint the back of the tunnel, with it being 30 yards away?
And what do you mean by the aperture? I already had it open to f4.0 or so. I was afraid opening it any more than that would ruin half the picture.
And how do I think people did a picture in this particular condition before Photomatix? They either set up a bunch of extra light sources, or they did it poorly.
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Alias
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 38 on 2/12/2007 1:21 PM >
| | | | P.S White Rabbit take peoples I have watched u post pics from behind a house before, Ryan is an established photographer, I know a fair amount about photographing in extremes using natural light, I use HDR sometimes, but have stopped now as it was a gimmick for about 10 seconds for people who want to....dare I say it.... cheat. HDR is an easy way of taking a shot with minimal knowledge about light and photography, please read a book about photography, experiment, take your time, take loads of shots on different settings, dont just use the P mode on the camera, try the fully manual settings as from what I can see you are either using P or auto and telling the camera to bracket the image.
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| | | Re: JC Tunnel HDR
<Reply # 39 on 2/12/2007 1:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by White Rabbit
Uh, how am going to paint the back of the tunnel, with it being 30 yards away?
And what do you mean by the aperture? I already had it open to f4.0 or so. I was afraid opening it any more than that would ruin half the picture.
And how do I think people did a picture in this particular condition before Photomatix? They either set up a bunch of extra light sources, or they did it poorly.
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read a book, set up the camera on F22 on a 1 min exposure the F22 will stop the overexposing on the bright bits adn help to keep the whole image in focus. Then trip the exposure.Now either, buy a large highly powered torch and torch paint or walk around with an off camera flash you could even walk around with a torch just make sure it does not face the camera and u will get no light trails. here are some of my examples of lighting large spaces in pitch black none of these are done using HDR:
This was taken using torches and an off camera flash, the only light trail is from a little red light on the off camera flash which I did by accident, for scale that is me in the tunnel on the right, this was shot on raw and slightly edited.
This is done using one high powered torch from behind the camera, the area is larger than the one u need to light. NO post processing at all
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