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< on 6/28/2006 10:32 PM >
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The original:
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Andy "Not Dice" Dice
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| |  | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 1 on 6/28/2006 10:37 PM >
| | | | I'm not gonna lie. Aside from the blown out windows, which I'm completely ok with, I'd say the original is better :-\ in terms of its artistic qualities of depth, and the lighting is significantly more interesting/dramatic.
Like I said, in my opinion, it's only the windows that benefit.
And I'm not even just saying this because I don't like HDR. I'm speaking as if these were too different normal photographs.
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| | | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 2 on 6/28/2006 10:59 PM >
| | | | I don't like the HDR. I think you lost the depth of the photograph with it like so many HDR photos do. Those black areas below the tracks aren't big enough to be a problem, and for the most part just add some feeling to the image. At the very most I would bring in a little shadow detail, but the HDR just eliminates them altogether and makes them look the same as the rest of the wall. The blown windows are the one area where I would go ahead and blend in the other exposure. They look good, though the tool you used could have done a better job at some of the edges (common problem).
The ceiling is a total mystery. Maybe it's the size of the photographs, but it looks like the HDR affected the ceiling even though it looks perfectly fine in the original. There is NO reason for it to have blended there, and it looks odd to me.
The metal bars supporting the ceiling should be much darker too. If I was doing this as a B&B I might use the lighter exposure to "dodge" in a little detail on the metal without losing the overall tonal value. This is the worst thing about HDR...it doesn't just give you shadow detail, it will completely change the overall luminosity of the area you're working on. Those bars are dark and SHOULD be dark and look natural dark. You may want to get some shadow detail on them, but the HDR tool just blows them the fuck up.
I think this is a really good example of the shortcomings of the current HDR tools. They make every tone in the image the same. There's no depth to the HDR version because it just came along and steamrolled all the shadows into being middle grey. This isn't a knock against you in the slightest...I like the picture and the original looks perfectly exposed for the conditions. However, the HDR tool has taken a good image and made it look bizarre, unnatural, and completely lacking in feeling.
Again...no knock against you at all...good shot...I just don't like what the HDR tool did to this at all. If I were you I would manually blend this fucker and really make it look good. 
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maypost
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| | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 3 on 6/28/2006 11:01 PM >
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I am still not 100% sure what "HDR" is or how to implement it. Anybody care to help me out on this one?
[/shows ignorance]
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maypost
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| | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 4 on 6/28/2006 11:01 PM >
| | | | Oh and nice photo there Louie 
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| | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 5 on 6/28/2006 11:12 PM >
| | | | I'm going to have to agree that the HDR doesn't work in this case. I'm reticent to say it works in any case, however, so weight my opinion accordingly.
The way I see it, HDR is an artistic technique in the same vein as selective photoshop blur - it can create cool images, cool digital manipulations - but the end product should no longer be considered a photograph.
Personally, if I shot digital, I would treat it like slide film and do half-stop bracketing, selecting the best exposure as the final image. Again though, biased opinion
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atomx
Location: Brighton, ON
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| | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 6 on 6/28/2006 11:22 PM >
| | | | I like. I've done a little, with little luck aside from my watch, and I like.
Yes the original is nice, but the HDR will show more detail in all exposure settings.
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tron_2.0
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| | | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 7 on 6/28/2006 11:36 PM >
| | | | i think it looks good. although its hard to compare the two...sizes being a discrepency.
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Vance
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| |  | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 8 on 6/28/2006 11:48 PM >
| | | | I like the HDR effect, and plan to play around with it on my ventures this weekend. HDR's real strength comes from pulling blown out highlights and black shadow areas of a scene into that 5 stop range that our film/digital files are accustomed to. And you have done that successfully here by bringing the detail back into the windows. But I think there is so much evenly spread light in this scene that HDR wasn't able do it's thing well.
Keep playing around with it as I have seen some spectacular HDR images. You know where this would have worked well? Shooting from inside that control room looking out to the big dish at that location we hit a few weeks ago. Hmmmm. We may need to go back and give that a try.
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| | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 9 on 6/29/2006 12:00 AM >
| | | | Honestly, I still don't get the point; first of all, the original image with the blown windows needn't be that way. If your subject is dark, let the image look..dark!
I would have underexposed the original personally.
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Urban Pirate
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| | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 10 on 6/29/2006 12:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by 'Dukes
Honestly, I still don't get the point; first of all, the original image with the blown windows needn't be that way. If your subject is dark, let the image look..dark!
I would have underexposed the original personally.
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Sure it doesn't HAVE to be that way. But underexposing the image to keep detail in the windows would leave little else of interest in the overall composition because it would all be too dark.
The original was exposed pretty damn well for the situation and it is a good photo overall (one suggestion would be to correct the lens distortion). The HDR is cool, but I don't really think it worked that well for the situation. You have the right idea Louie, so keep trying it. I totally dig HDR images when they're done well.
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Urban Pirate
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| | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 11 on 6/29/2006 12:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by maypost
[shows ignorance]
I am still not 100% sure what "HDR" is or how to implement it. Anybody care to help me out on this one?
[/shows ignorance]
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Read this thread:
http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post0
There are a couple of links to some websites with good explanations of HDR and its implementation. Bsidez also has some really good examples of HDR in action.
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Louie
| | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 12 on 6/29/2006 1:13 AM >
| | | | I didn't like it that much either... I'm just testing the waters a bit.
I don't like HDR in general, but knowing how to use a technique is always nifty.
Like film buffs who refuse to touch digital... I want to smack them for their ignorance. Even if you hate something you should still learn how to do it.
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Ian
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| | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 13 on 6/29/2006 1:17 AM >
| | | | Posted by fatLouie
Like film buffs who refuse to touch digital... I want to smack them for their ignorance. Even if you hate something you should still learn how to do it.
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hey now.
some of us enjoy the process of film, the sharp learning curve which comes from paying for every shot and not being able to see the results immediately, the exposure lattitude, the random distribution of grain across a chemical emulsion which provides an organicity unparalleled by a chip, the wide variety of effects available by film selection, and the process of developing & printing our own B&W shots.
and some of us don't see the point in learning to use a process which just doesn't compare, in the same way that many people don't bother to learn to use a Polaroid integral print film camera well. why? Not out of ignorance, but out of a genuine disinterest.
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Louie
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<Reply # 14 on 6/29/2006 1:33 AM >
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I really can't say much to that, but I know how passionate you are about film.
As long as it's genuine disinterest and not some fake bullsheeit.
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Andy "Not Dice" Dice
Location: We can live in dumpsters if we have to, MA
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UE'ing is for pussies, bro.
| | | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 15 on 6/29/2006 6:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by fatLouie
I really can't say much to that, but I know how passionate you are about film.
As long as it's genuine disinterest and not some fake bullsheeit.
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Yeh, I could say the same about people who have always used digital and talk shit about film just because they don't actually understand how a camera works and rely soully on the trial and error possible with digital. As long as you're creating genuine quality with your digital stuff you can ignore film all you want, and as long as you're creating genuine quality with your film stuff you can ignore digital all you want...
I agree about trying everything once, though. You should know WHY you're disowning something, if you're going to disown it. What I've seen of HDR thus far (not just in urbex photos, in all kinds of photos) has made me go "ehh what's the point" but I'll probably try it, or something LIKE it, EVENTUALLY. It's a clever concept, at very least!
A little while ago I said people who're getting into HDR should just learn to paint instead, and I think Leviathan put it nicely as to why I feel that way when he said "it can create cool images....but the end product should no longer be considered a photograph."
I think HDR works best when there are vast contrasts of hue or saturation (ITTEN'S CONTRASTS if you're an artschool fag, like myself!) because...well...think of how boring a black and white HDR photo would be. The reason this subject doesn't work is because it lacks said Itten's Contrasts, most of the strength of the original photo coming from the VALUE contrast due to lighting. I'm gonna leave now.
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| | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 16 on 6/29/2006 12:53 PM >
| | | | I know that I am fairly new to photography, but I would think you could have achieved close to the same effects with a circular polarizer.
I like the increased detail on the ceiling truss beams and the lack of glare on the rail tracks in the HDR version, but miss the shadows in the cement hoppers at the bottom from the original.
Both are good shots in any case.
Thanks Louie,
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 17 on 6/29/2006 1:47 PM >
| | | | HDR works best when nobody can tell you used it. It's supposed to allow wider dynamic range; if you want cheap-ass looking bizarre flat highlight spots all over the image, there's probably filters in ps that are much less memory-intensive. HDR imaging is meant to be a tool, not a special effect. This photo didn't need 16 stops of dynamic range, what it needed, if anything, was a simple layer mask for the windows*, which would have been much quicker, easier and better looking in the end.
*Leviathan, as someone who learned photography in a darkroom before photoshop 1.0 was released, the effect of a layer mask, unlike hdr, is something that can and has been duplicated with chemicals and paper.
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Vance
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| | | | Re: My first HDR attempt...
<Reply # 19 on 6/29/2006 3:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by Leviathan
but the end product should no longer be considered a photograph.
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I respect Leviathan's position on this, however where is the line drawn on what is true photography, and what is artistic expression? The choice of film, fstop and shutter speed are all artistic decisions. Is a black and white image then not a photograph as it has removed all the color from the scene?
I think saying that an image that has been digitally altered is not a photograph is going too far. Of course there needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and each of us will have our own line.
In the case of HDR, it does allow a photograph to show a much wider dynamic range of light values that is closer to what our own eyes perceive when we look at something. Could a case not be made that HDR is even a truer photograph than a regular image without HDR?
I do agree with the sentiment that people need to know what they are trying to create and have control over that process. Just shooting snapshots, then trying to make it look cool in photoshop after the fact is not Photography with a capital P.
Lastly, in support of Leviathan, a great photograph that is essentially right out of the camera gets my respect a whole lot faster than a digitally manipulated image. And his photography gets that respect as I know he does very little, if anything at all, to the images he posts on this site.
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