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1 2 3 4   UER Forum > Archived UE Photo Critiques > My first HDR attempt... (Viewed 1328 times) desmet  When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.  |  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 40 on 6/30/2006 4:14 PM >   Posted by Vance Desmet. If you want to have a debate on printing and manipulation and Ansel Adams, then let's start another thread. Now can we get back to HDR already. I thought it was quite relevant to the discussion. As far as Ansel, it's called an example. Urban Pirate  Location: Salt Lake City Gender: Male  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 41 on 6/30/2006 4:44 PM >   I guess to help get this thread back on topic I'll go ahead and feed the wolves. If you are one of those people who is anti all things HDR, please refrain from posting. If you have constructive criticism or observations about the photos, or have a genuine interest in HDR, I would love your responses. Unfortunately these are not UE related, but they are from a recent trip I took to Italy. Enjoy. 1. 2. 3. 4. Pirate. www.urbantrespass.com yokes  Location: Toronto Gender: Male I aim to misbehave  |  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 42 on 6/30/2006 4:48 PM >   They look like paintings, not photographs. "Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel micro  Gender: Male Slowly I turned  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 43 on 6/30/2006 4:57 PM >   Oh no he didn't! Vance  Location: DC Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 44 on 6/30/2006 5:10 PM >   Urban Pirate. I love them, especially 1 and 3. Yeah, they do look like paintings. I've got no problem with that. In fact that's what I love about them. Nice job. Edited addition: Can you share with us what your process was? [last edit 6/30/2006 5:11 PM by Vance - edited 1 times] "If you go down to the woods today you're sure of a big surprise. If you go down to the woods today you'd better go in disguise." maypost  Location: North, South, East, West, all around... then down to the underground Gender: Male Exploring if for n00bz0rz  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 45 on 6/30/2006 5:32 PM >   I LOVE Florance!!!! I personally l;ike the 1st one the most. but they are all grrreat! Exploring is like tattoos... They stopped being cool in 2005 desmet  When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.  |  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 46 on 6/30/2006 6:00 PM >   1 - Not bad but the sky is too dark relative to the foreground. Either the sky needs to be lightened or the foreground needs to be darkened. You can also see that some of the buildings darken at the top by the sky which seems to be a common problem with HDR. It's a cool photograph and the HDR is necessary, but as usual it's the execution where there are problems. 2 - This is alright, but I would burn down the trees right by the sky...they look odd being that light. I would also think about burning down that foreground which is oddly light for some reason. 3 - This is one where the painting look almost works but I would either try to enhance that more or get rid of it altogether. The buildings are very flat...they have no depth because as usual the HDR tool has gotten rid of all the shadows. The lightness of the foreground in comparison to the sky and mountains in the background also bugs me, but that may just be because I know it's HDR. That might look normal if the foreground didn't look odd. 4 - The halo around the building and the half-dark/half-light tree ruin this shot. Keep in mind - this is critique of the HDR, not of the photographs. I like ALL of these photographs, with the last one being the best. However, the HDR tool has taken good photographs and introduced a lot of problems into them... [last edit 6/30/2006 6:02 PM by desmet - edited 1 times] Urban Pirate  Location: Salt Lake City Gender: Male  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 47 on 6/30/2006 6:26 PM >   Posted by desmet Keep in mind - this is critique of the HDR, not of the photographs. I like ALL of these photographs, with the last one being the best. However, the HDR tool has taken good photographs and introduced a lot of problems into them... I understand what you are critiquing and appreciate what you have to say. Experimenting with the current HDR tools has certainly made me aware of the inherent problems of the current technology. What I have not learned is how to counter-act some of those problems. I intend to continue experimenting and trying to find ways to eliminate the strange things HDR can do to a photo. I appreciate you taking your time to write down your thoughts for me. Now to address Vance's question. Yes, they have painting like look to them, this is a choice on my part. Some like it, some don't. I'm glad you enjoy it. To tell you a little about the process, I begin by shooting a series of 5 shots at -2, -1, 0, +1, and +2. This is a matter of personal preference and sometimes more or less photos are required. I am using a program called Photomatix to do the actually HDR merge; I have found it to produce better results than Photoshop's Merge to HDR tool. The real highlight of Photomatix is the tonemapping effect that it can apply to a 32-Bit HDR image. Since 32-bit images cannot be displayed properly by any normal monitor, the tonemapping tool converts the image to an 8 or 16-Bit version while preserving that wealth of detail in the HDR shot. However, tonemapping is also where you run into all the problems Desmet was referring to in his critique. Odd halos can show up around buildings, certain areas will end up looking flattened, or shadows may appear in odd places. But for all the problems, I really dig some of the effects the process can create. The trick is going to be going in afterwards and trying to eliminate some of the strange behaviour that HDR produces in photographs. Hope this helps, feel free to ask if you have more questions. Pirate. www.urbantrespass.com Vance  Location: DC Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 48 on 6/30/2006 6:52 PM >   Hope this helps, feel free to ask if you have more questions. It does help. I tried Photoshop's version and it was awful. So I picked up the Photomatix software earlier this week, but have only been able to play around with their sample images. That will change this weekend. Maybe I'll post a few on the board when I get back. Thanks "If you go down to the woods today you're sure of a big surprise. If you go down to the woods today you'd better go in disguise." KTownUE  Location: Kenosha, WI Gender: Male Small town UE all up in the midwest.  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 49 on 6/30/2006 8:04 PM >   awesome looking location. Nice pics. I think they look about the same to me....but then again what do i know? 5D Mk 2 with Grip 50mm f/1.2L || Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS || 16-35mm f/2.8 L Mk. 2 || Canon 580EX 2 Flash yokes  Location: Toronto Gender: Male I aim to misbehave  |  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 50 on 6/30/2006 8:10 PM >   Posted by micro Oh no he didn't! Oh yes I di'id. Mind you, it wasn't a critique, just an observation. "Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel Louie   |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 51 on 7/8/2006 8:38 PM >   How about my second attempt?? I think it works better here because of the sky... maypost  Location: North, South, East, West, all around... then down to the underground Gender: Male Exploring if for n00bz0rz  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 52 on 7/8/2006 10:42 PM >   Where is this? I want to go! Exploring is like tattoos... They stopped being cool in 2005 Urban Pirate  Location: Salt Lake City Gender: Male  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 53 on 7/8/2006 10:54 PM >   Posted by fatLouie How about my second attempt?? I think it works better here because of the sky... Very nice Louie, it doesn't have that painting present in many HDRs. The sky is indeed awesome. Pirate. www.urbantrespass.com blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 54 on 7/9/2006 6:50 AM >   Posted by fatLouie How about my second attempt?? I think it works better here because of the sky... First may I say Urban Pirate very nice pics! FatLouie your second HDR is a success. Your first can be reprocessed; a new 8/16 bit image with a manual adjustment of the curve line using multiple points. It may look better than it appears as it's file size as shown is only 180 KB. In all fairness it's unfair to try to judge an HDR with such a low resolution, and file size. Much of the info is lost. The first thing I do is look at the file size of the HDR that I'm viewing. Beyond that these are 8 or 16 bit images that represent a small fraction of the original 32 image. Since the 32 bit originals can be processed generate an optimum 16 bit tiff file, many of the complaints with images can be eliminated. In the future with higher bit depth monitors these HDRs will shine. The paint effect is adjustable, but keeping the camera completely stationary is paramount. I think a laptop is almost mandatory with most cameras; setting the shutter speed kills the alignment, as does moving objects in the picture. They are time consuming as well, but I want to play with them more. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. Explorer Zero   |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 55 on 7/9/2006 10:22 AM >   Posted by fatLouie How about my second attempt?? I think it works better here because of the sky... I dont care for most HDR images but I like the luminescence and depth in this one, its weird I dont know the proper terminology (Im just a jpeg out of the camera shooter) but its almost like you can reach into it like a 3d diorama or something, very cool. Urban Pirate  Location: Salt Lake City Gender: Male  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 56 on 7/10/2006 4:18 AM >   I'll pitch in a couple more for discussion's sake: 1. 2. 3. 4. www.urbantrespass.com blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 57 on 7/10/2006 4:27 AM >   Posted by Urban Pirate I'll pitch in a couple more for discussion's sake: 1. 2. Bumping up the bytes makes a big difference. 1&2 are knock outs. Really like the colors and parallel lines in pic 2. Pic 1 got that strage 3D thing going, and beautiful colors. Show-off. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. maypost  Location: North, South, East, West, all around... then down to the underground Gender: Male Exploring if for n00bz0rz  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 58 on 7/10/2006 4:27 AM >   I swear Italy is one of the most photogenic places in the world Exploring is like tattoos... They stopped being cool in 2005 Urban Pirate  Location: Salt Lake City Gender: Male  |  Re: My first HDR attempt... <Reply # 59 on 7/10/2006 4:35 AM >   Posted by maypost I swear Italy is one of the most photogenic places in the world definitely, its ridiculous. www.urbantrespass.com UER Forum > Archived UE Photo Critiques > My first HDR attempt... (Viewed 1328 times)  1 2 3 4   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 171 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 739452940 pages have been generated.