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 Barry Kooda
    
Location: The Cliff
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 20 on 1/17/2006 3:40 AM >
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I hate to be the negative Norman all the time but Id like to hear from an engineer thats examined the old bldg and says it can be gutted and renovated
its got some serious issues but I guess if you throw enough money at it its possible to do anything
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Think happy thoughts.
I'd love to go there if it became a casino.
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cmarlow330
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
| |  |  |  | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 21 on 1/17/2006 4:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by Barry Kooda
The place was recently purchased and the new owner hasn't revealed his plans as yet.
THe Lobby
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no, thats not it.... this is what i was talking about
see pic below
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cmarlow330
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
| | | | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 22 on 1/17/2006 4:01 AM >
| | | | so what is wrong with the building besides thers holes in the ballroom on the top floor
whats in the building
i wished there was a UER page on it
to tell me how many rooms its got, ball rooms, restarunts etc 
how long has it been closed btw????????/
and when was it opened?
[last edit 1/17/2006 4:02 AM by cmarlow330 - edited 1 times]
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Barry Kooda
Location: The Cliff
Gender: Male
Trees
| | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 23 on 1/17/2006 4:36 AM >
| | | | Posted by cmarlow330
no, thats not it.... this is what i was talking about
see pic below
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Oh!
Sorry about that. WHen you said "left", I thought you meant left.
Yeah, That's the concierge desk and phone booths.
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mayhem154
Location: New Orleans
Gender: Male
Hello...
| | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 24 on 1/17/2006 5:34 AM >
| | | | Yes, Barry, he said left. But he's looking through one side of the computer monitor and you're looking through the other side. Kind of like a mirror. So his left is your right.... Or is it his right is your left. I dunno...
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Barry Kooda
Location: The Cliff
Gender: Male
Trees
| | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 25 on 1/17/2006 5:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by mayhem154
Yes, Barry, he said left. But he's looking through one side of the computer monitor and you're looking through the other side. Kind of like a mirror. So his left is your right.... Or is it his right is your left. I dunno...
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Oh!
I get it!
It's like when I'm talking to the TV and they always go the wrong way.
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Dokk
Location: Lewisville, Texas
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 26 on 1/17/2006 12:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by 2Xtreme
I hate to be the negative Norman all the time but Id like to hear from an engineer thats examined the old bldg and says it can be gutted and renovated
its got some serious issues but I guess if you throw enough money at it its possible to do anything
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The biggest issues with the building are really superficial with much of it being vandal related. Structurally, the building is very sound. When I said gut, I meant that on each floor, wallas would be removed then replaced to suit new floor plans. It's really quite common for old hotels to get this treatment. The Raddison Hotel in Downtown Ft. Worth has been "gutted" and renovated twice since built for example.
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Arch-Image
Location: DFW
Gender: Male
"This gene pool could use a little chlorine."
| | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 27 on 1/17/2006 12:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by 2Xtreme
I hate to be the negative Norman all the time but Id like to hear from an engineer thats examined the old bldg and says it can be gutted and renovated
its got some serious issues but I guess if you throw enough money at it its possible to do anything
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As Dokk said Most of the damage isnt really that bad. I 've been involved in jobs that took ALOT more work than this one would take. Having been though it from top to bottom it's actually in very good shape. the bulk of the damage you see, such as the ballroom is from the roof leaking so bad, but most of the damage is to the floors under the roofs. On down through the building it's in very good shape, well structurally speaking, but thats 90% of what you look for. As far as the mech and Elect systems etc .. no matter what it's all typically gutted and redone anyway. We've done conversions on hotels/Office buildings into different uses from condo's to the conversion of a hotel to a Jail, there actually a fairly clean job. On the surface, this building looks great, but then again, until you actually get in and begin running trues Tests on things you never know what your gonna find, sometimes things look great on the surface and then you find that there not. lets all hope this one is in as good a shape as it looks to be and will be restored to something!
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cmarlow330
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
| | | | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 28 on 1/17/2006 1:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by Barry Kooda
Oh!
Sorry about that. WHen you said "left", I thought you meant left.
Yeah, That's the concierge desk and phone booths.
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oh wait sorry.. lol thats my right...
lol i was so tired when i posted this LOL
im sorry :-!
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cmarlow330
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
| | | | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 29 on 1/17/2006 1:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by Dokk
The biggest issues with the building are really superficial with much of it being vandal related. Structurally, the building is very sound. When I said gut, I meant that on each floor, wallas would be removed then replaced to suit new floor plans. It's really quite common for old hotels to get this treatment. The Raddison Hotel in Downtown Ft. Worth has been "gutted" and renovated twice since built for example.
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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cmarlow330
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
| | | | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 30 on 1/17/2006 1:23 PM >
| | | | Yeah..... true
and I bet this place is prob gonna have to have some Abatement before anyone can really do any construction on it since its soooo old and they used Asbestos back then :-!
wow this is in Ft Worth haha ive only been to ftworth 1 time and I saw the old Tandy building. it was just all boreded up and stuff but this has been 3 years since ive been to Ft Worth
I bet this place has a GRAAAAAAAND kitchen
I bet its massive
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cmarlow330
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
| | | | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 31 on 1/17/2006 1:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by Barry Kooda
Oh!
I get it!
It's like when I'm talking to the TV and they always go the wrong way.
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hahahahaha
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Barry Kooda
Location: The Cliff
Gender: Male
Trees
| | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 32 on 1/17/2006 4:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by cmarlow330
hahahahaha
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Are you possibly related to Butters on South Park
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mayhem154
Location: New Orleans
Gender: Male
Hello...
| | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 33 on 1/17/2006 4:23 PM >
| | | | Wasn't there talk of converting the Astrodome into the world's largest casino at one time?
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cmarlow330
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
| | | | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 34 on 1/17/2006 4:23 PM >
| | | | I dont answer stupid questions like that Bara.... Tyvm but no
another question... no one is answering this on the other thing i posted on on the Philly convention center there tearing down
on the elevator it says
SB B EX S 10 20 30
subbasement
basement
exhibition hall
stage
dressing room 1st floor
dressing room 2nd floor
dressing room 3rd floor
so what would a subbasement be used for?
ive NEVER seen that on an elevator.....
ive seen GROUND which is like the parking garage in hospitals
and then the BASEMENT button......
[last edit 1/17/2006 4:28 PM by cmarlow330 - edited 3 times]
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Barry Kooda
Location: The Cliff
Gender: Male
Trees
| | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 35 on 1/17/2006 4:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by mayhem154
Wasn't there talk of converting the Astrodome into the world's largest casino at one time?
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I'd heard that too but that was a couple of years ago.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1221/1480748.html
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Explorer Zero
 
| | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 36 on 1/18/2006 4:09 AM >
| | | | heres a superficial issue like then ones you must be talking about, a load bearing concrete pillar, that is bending
the concrete has been cracked away by the pressure on the rebar.
this same spalling and exposed rebar is found in pillars and sheer walls throughout the structure and the basement has had at least 2 ft of standing water in it off and on leading to some deterioration about the bases of walls and support columns water gets in the cracks and rusts the steel
every pipe and conduit in the place is rusted beyond use and I can only imagine how they will replace all that crumbling ornamental concrete on the exterior
since the asking price was only 3.5 million I suppose you could afford to spend 6 or 7 to fix it up a casino would be cool and anything is repairable for enough return on your investment
still I think I'll wait for a real engineer to bless the structure before I invest
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Dokk
Location: Lewisville, Texas
Gender: Male
| | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 37 on 1/18/2006 12:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by 2Xtreme
heres a superficial issue like then ones you must be talking about, a load bearing concrete pillar, that is bending
the concrete has been cracked away by the pressure on the rebar.
this same spalling and exposed rebar is found in pillars and sheer walls throughout the structure and the basement has had at least 2 ft of standing water in it off and on leading to some deterioration about the bases of walls and support columns water gets in the cracks and rusts the steel
every pipe and conduit in the place is rusted beyond use and I can only imagine how they will replace all that crumbling ornamental concrete on the exterior
since the asking price was only 3.5 million I suppose you could afford to spend 6 or 7 to fix it up a casino would be cool and anything is repairable for enough return on your investment
still I think I'll wait for a real engineer to bless the structure before I invest
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That's the point, there have been engineers through that place several times over the last 5 years or so. I'm sure that the guy who bought it also got a recent engineer's report before closing the sale. That's standard on any real estate sale involving property like this. As far as teh basement goes, I've been in there when there's 2 inches of water in the lowest part (equipment room), two feet of water and I've seen it bone dry. So the water hasn't been there continuously sitting for the last 20 years or so, it's periodic. I agree that all plumbing and electrical will probably have to be replaced. I've looked into the electrical shafts that run the height of the building and the main conductors are copper straps. No insulation. There's a lot of work to be done but if it were turned into a casino, a serious return on investment could be made and would probably be back into the black within 5 or so years which is acceptable within the hotel/resort industry.
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JakeJZG
Location: Tampa, FL
Gender: Male
Once there were parking lots, Now it's a peaceful oasis.
| | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 38 on 1/24/2006 7:34 AM >
| | | | Here is a link to the building, for those who might not know otherwise.
http://www.texases...erHotelHistory.htm
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Barry Kooda
Location: The Cliff
Gender: Male
Trees
| | | Re: 1929 Hotel west of Town
<Reply # 39 on 1/24/2006 7:52 AM >
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http://bakerhotel.tk/
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