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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
 |  |  | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 20 on 7/5/2004 11:31 PM >
|  | | | yeah, if you get a 14' truck and the roof is 15" high and you park 3 feet away from it I don't think the jump is too dangerous a maneuver. More of a step if you do it right.
Be sure to check that the roof of your truck is solid and will support your weight before you climb up on it.
Also, a truck is a much less conspicuos way to transport a ladder than strapping it to the roof of your car.
I wouldn't worry about parking next to a building - any building they don't want you pulling a truck up next to will be obvious. I doubt an abandoned building would draw any concern.
It might be a little suspicious - maybe look like you're setting up to rob the place. Or if you're all in camo or someting and 12 guys pour out of the back. But if you look like some guys helping a buddy move or working on the roof nobody will give you any grief.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Servo
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 21 on 7/5/2004 11:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
What about the area with the tree ? if it can't be used for climbing, it can at least provide some cover while you climb...
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The tree only has limbs starting about 10 feet up. So below that, no cover except from above. It would stop those in buildings from looking down on us, though.
Posted by Chainsaw
I wouldn't worry about parking next to a building - any building they don't want you pulling a truck up next to will be obvious.
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No, the problem is they have it blocked off so you can't. I would have to cut through chains to get the truck in, and I'd rather not resort to that sort of thing.
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Curious_George
Location: Cambridge
Gender: Male
Straight outta New Bedlam
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 22 on 7/5/2004 11:47 PM >
| | | | Its dress-up time, and get or make a ladder.
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Sinister Crayon
 
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 23 on 7/6/2004 12:03 AM >
| | | | I think this should be moved to the: Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info section
anyways, we climbed a fifteen foot wall(or something like it in a drain in colorado, we just pushed someone up it and then pulled the rest of the people up.
[last edit 7/6/2004 12:03 AM by Sinister Crayon - edited 1 times]
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Servo
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 24 on 7/6/2004 12:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by Snipz0r
we just pushed someone up it and then pulled the rest of the people up.
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How do you pull someone up something that's farther than they can reach up and you can reach down? I don't see it.
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Sinister Crayon
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 25 on 7/6/2004 5:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
How do you pull someone up something that's farther than they can reach up and you can reach down? I don't see it.
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its a technique called the human ladder
in more detail: one person stands two feet(distance can vary) away from the the wall and leans forward until his arms touch the wall, then someone stands on his shoulders and does the same thing, then the third climbs up them both and can a tie a rope for them to climb on or pull them both up(at the same time)
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Servo
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 26 on 7/6/2004 5:36 PM >
| | | | Ok, based on a little more scouting of the location, and everyone's suggestions, these are the two possibilities that I see. I still don't have exact measurements but I will get those today.
First option: Don orange vests hart hats, and flannel shirts, haul my extension ladder down there, scurry up the ladder onto the roof, and have some ropes or something to pull the ladder up with us. This could be, and actually should be, done in the daytime. Unfortunately, I don't know if my ladder is long enough to reach (it looks like to the top of the actual roof wall is about 30 feet [~10 meters], a little farther than I first expected).
The second option, which'd probably need to be at night, would be to make a rope or chain stepladder. You know, sort of an elongated grid pattern, two ropes on the side separated by maybe 6 inches, with ropes/bars tied horizontally every couple feet up. I would need two of these, one to get to the first ledge and then a second to get to the roof itself. I whipped this up in my CAD package real quick:
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The idea is that it's made to fit the ledge exactly, and hook over the other side. You tie off the ladder to the hooks. Anyone see any obvious problems with this?
Thanks for everyone's help!
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The Lost Flock
Location: Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
baaah.
| |  |  | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 27 on 7/6/2004 7:27 PM >
| | | | Well... getting that little wire box attached to the ledge in the first place could be a serious problem. You'd need to climb up the ladder to get it up there and attach the rope ladder anyways wouldn't you? I don't see how you'd get that to work.
-The Lost Flock
The Lost Flock is finding it's way.
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Servo
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 28 on 7/6/2004 7:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by The Lost Flock
Well... getting that little wire box attached to the ledge in the first place could be a serious problem.
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Nah, you'd throw it like a grappling hook and pull back until it catches. That's the basic idea, anyway. Sort of like how Jester's homemade hook looked like (search in the archives for the grappling hook thread), except especially adapted for this situation.
Here's an actual photo with rough dimensions (and by rough I mean guessed from objects in the photo, so within maybe 2 feet).
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LongHorn
Location: Alabama
Gender: Male
"Clever got me this far, and tricky got me in."
| | | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 29 on 7/6/2004 8:00 PM >
| | | | something that may be useful, maybe for a bit shorter walls than this one however, would be to just bring a board and make a ramp to walk up. here that would have to be done at night and someone checking for cars, but once at the top you could pull the board over the wall with you. as being the "small one" in this group im hoping i can scale the tree and jump to the ledge.
"Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer." |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 30 on 7/6/2004 8:10 PM >
|  | | | The tree looks like a good option to me. You can also consider, depending on how far the tree is from the first ledge, to have the lightest person climb up to the right height, and someone hand him up a sturdy 2x4 or something of the appropriate length, to balance across from tree to ledge. Some simple duct tape could hold the board in place on the tree branch so it won't move. I'd only try this if the ledge was close enough... But then again, I'm a pretty unconventional climber...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Viper
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Gender: Male
Trespassing On!
| | | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 31 on 7/6/2004 8:22 PM >
| | | | Another suggestion is to don your orange cred props looking like workers, use an extension ladder to get to the top, attach a rope at the top and let it dangle to the bottom, then you could go back at night and climb up. For extra grip, you could tie knots in the rope every 2 feet or so. Also, what about going early say, when the sun rises? Not a lot of people should be out that early.
Earth, the world's most dangerous planet!
"The will to do, the soul to dare." -Sir Walter Scott |
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LongHorn
Location: Alabama
Gender: Male
"Clever got me this far, and tricky got me in."
| | | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 32 on 7/6/2004 8:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by Viper
Another suggestion is to don your orange cred props looking like workers, use an extension ladder to get to the top, attach a rope at the top and let it dangle to the bottom, then you could go back at night and climb up. |
yeah servo was talkin about doin this too. the problem with this is: i dont exactly look like a worker that would be on top of a building. my size and my long hair just wouldnt make me fit in. but if servo n maybe phoenix went that might work, id just come back later. but servo is pretty sure his extension ladder isnt high enough to get to the first ledge.
"Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer." |
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Fat Tony
 
Noble Donor
Location: Regina
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 33 on 7/7/2004 12:21 AM >
| | | | Posted by LongHorn
my size and my long hair just wouldnt make me fit in.
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Usually a scragly looking pony tail would be suitable for a "roof worker". You just have to make sure its done in a way that won't get in the way, because what roofer wants hair in his face all the time?
Not actually fat anymore |
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LongHorn
Location: Alabama
Gender: Male
"Clever got me this far, and tricky got me in."
| | | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 34 on 7/7/2004 2:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Fat Tony
Usually a scragly looking pony tail would be suitable for a "roof worker"
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i couldnt make my hair scragly if i tried. its too thick and shiny 
"Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer." |
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Servo
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 35 on 7/7/2004 2:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by LongHorn
i couldnt make my hair scragly if i tried. its too thick and shiny
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I think you could pull off construction worker. Once we have the credibility props (hard hat, flannel shirt) I doubt anyone will question us.
I made some measurements today. The first ledge is 16 feet up, the second is an additional 8 feet, so in total it's 24 feet to the highest point. There is actually a little 4'x3' area that you can stand on once you get up to the first ledge, making that part a little easier to deal with. My ladder will definitely reach the first ledge, at which point we could use a ramp of some kind to reach the second. There's also a hole in between the deck and the building where the ladder could be stashed.
[last edit 7/7/2004 2:13 AM by Servo - edited 1 times]
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IrishLady
Location: The South
Gender: Female
These are the breaks.
| |  | | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 36 on 7/7/2004 5:21 PM >
| | | | I can play construction worker! Sounds like a plan to me......I don't really think Punk Pheonix would fit that role though......to tell the truth Longhorn, I think you would make a fair looking construction worker, no worse than the rest of us at least.
So I said "Why don't you shove it where the sun don't shine" and so he did. He put it in the cupboard under the stairs and it hasn't been mentioned since.
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Servo
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 37 on 7/7/2004 7:00 PM >
| | | | Hey, thanks folks for all the input. I think at this point everyone who's going to be actually involved is gonna discuss all the options and try to come up with the best solution.
If you're local, I've probably added you to the Alabama Private Forum, check there for the continuation of this thread...
And everyone else, please, don't think this is the death of the thread, continue to discuss.
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Sinister Crayon
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
| | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 38 on 7/9/2004 9:06 AM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
Hey, thanks folks for all the input. I think at this point everyone who's going to be actually involved is gonna discuss all the options and try to come up with the best solution.
If you're local, I've probably added you to the Alabama Private Forum, check there for the continuation of this thread...
And everyone else, please, don't think this is the death of the thread, continue to discuss.
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why are you telling us to think it's not dead when you just killed it 
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Indigenous Insurgent
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Gender: Male
Only the Truth is revolutionary
| |  | | Re: Up 15 feet, the Easy Way
<Reply # 39 on 7/9/2004 10:14 AM >
| | | | In an effort to comply with Servo's wishes and keep this thread going...
ALL YOUR IDEAS ARE LAME!!!!11 MY BOARD AND ROPE 0WNZ J00!!!!111
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