Posted by Samurai yeah, its great when the religious whackaloons try making you live to the tune of their invisible friend. THAT'S the problem. |
Posted by splumer I freely admit I don't have the science bona fides |
Posted by splumer If I claim there is a china teapot orbiting Jupiter this very moment, there is no reason to believe that that is true unless I provide some evidence. |
Posted by splumer I take it you are also familiar with Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation for how everything in the universe works is that there are no supernatural agencies of any sort |
Posted by splumer For anything supernatural to exist (including ghosts, psychic phenomena, etc.) the known laws of nature have to be suspended, or simply be wrong. |
Posted by splumer May I ask in which scientific field you work? |
Posted by HagensborgViking One thing that always twists my nips is the comments on news sites following a tragic story (like a highway accident ). Comment after comment with little more to say than "sending prayers to the family" or "our lord and savour will get you through this". |
it is therefore also understandable that religion continues to thrive despite progress in what i'll simply term "science". the Big Bang is a great model, but does nothing to disprove a god and to the religious could simply be the mechanism by which the creator acted (though as time goes on the BB theory is facing some testing/observation stresses and may one day collapse). our inability to describe what happened prior to the Big Bang is one of the biggest holes in modern atheism (the model itself does NOT extend to whatever happened before it or it loses internal consistency and collapses), |
all varieties of religion, from animism to monotheism to polytheism all started with epistemology and in some cases even empiricism -- seeing an enormously complex world and having no answer as to how it could exist. |
Posted by splumer The Big Bang isn't facing any serious challenges that I am aware of, and hasn't been since the '60s. It's the generally accepted theory, according to a theoretical physicist I know at work (I work at a university). |
Posted by splumer Also, according to most theorists, there was no "prior" to the BB. Lawrence Krauss' new book A Universe From Nothing (now out in paperback!) explains it quite well. |
Posted by splumer Science doesn't disprove god(s) because that isn't science's job. The existence of god(s) is inherently untestable, and so science doesn't bother. |
Posted by splumer My point was, and is, that as our understanding of the universe grows, our need for gods to explain its origins and function diminishes. I honestly can't think of a single thing science can't explain that is explained by a god, including the origin of the universe. |
Posted by splumer The scary part is, the FLDS might try to usher in the end by other means. |
Posted by Aleksandar certainly there's some mental illness going around in that cult. |
Posted by Samurai pointing out the insanity of other hiding behind god is never stupid or pointless... it's pure entertainment. |
Posted by DevilC That said, seems to me that most of this sub-forum exists to bash Xtians and Jews, mostly, but I could be mistaken. |
Posted by splumer We're equal-opportunity bashers. |
Posted by Aleksandar I am saying, we do not know enough. the consensus of scientists from relevant fields is, we don't know enough and we likely never will. we have an incredibly narrow perspective, and can not even be sure reality and the many mechanisms that potentiate action and events in this reality are limited to the physical phenomena we can observe. there could be actions and events occurring all around us that are simply outside our current ability to observe, measure and test, and that are inconsistent with our understanding of reality. atheists are as incredibly arrogant in insisting that their ridiculously bold conclusions about reality based on a laughably limited perspective is accurate, as the religious are in their own. at least the religious claim to get this knowledge from somewhere better than the perspective of a freshly evolved organism to-this-point confined to a single planet and photonic-based line of sight to the rest |
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