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makman
   
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Rochester, NY
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I live alone with a criminal
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<Reply # 40 on 11/7/2010 4:17 PM >
|  | | | Posted by metawaffle
I don't know about anyone else, but I've certainly found that where I draw the line has shifted significantly over the years. I'm probably not the only person who looks back at their high-and-mighty attitudes of times past, and chuckles somewhat.
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^ Yup.
My current ethical system is based around "Try not to screw it up for other explorers." This manifests in a few ways:
- Try to put things back the way you found them if you can
- Break as a last resort, and then try not to make the entrance too obvious for non-explorers.
- Try not to break things that'll piss of the owner, thus increasing security
- Only take what won't be missed (eg, a bobby pin from a pile of them, a mug from an open case of them, or something from a place about to be demolished)
Of course, these are guidelines, as every situation is different.
Be careful, not safe.
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vov35
location:
Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 41 on 11/7/2010 5:43 PM >
| | | | Of course where destruction can be avoided you should. Getting yourself a selection of bump keys can go a long way, but also risks b&e charges.
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MindHacker
 
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Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 42 on 11/7/2010 6:41 PM >
| | | | Since everyone forgets every six months:
In the united states b&e refers to "breaking" the perimeter of the building or entering. It gets complicated, but if you push a cracked door open wider, that is b&e.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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| |  | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 43 on 11/7/2010 7:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
Since everyone forgets every six months:
In the united states b&e refers to "breaking" the perimeter of the building or entering. It gets complicated, but if you push a cracked door open wider, that is b&e.
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This is why you "break" an entrance and come back later ... "that door was already open".
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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Caligula
location:
Long Island
Gender: Male
I'm a hipster who wrestled a bear,Once
| |  | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 44 on 11/7/2010 7:53 PM >
| | | | If I drive 4 hours to a location and it is sealed tight, I'm not about to get in my car and drive home.
I've done what I've had to do to get into somewhere before.
Just have to be smart about it.
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vov35
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Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 45 on 11/7/2010 8:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
Since everyone forgets every six months:
In the united states b&e refers to "breaking" the perimeter of the building or entering. It gets complicated, but if you push a cracked door open wider, that is b&e.
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And in maryland it's automatically a 4th degree burglary because b&e doesn't exist.
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uLiveAndYouBurn
location:
Beyond
Anarchocommunist
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 46 on 11/7/2010 11:28 PM >
| | | | Yeah most states define burglary as entering any structure. Its doesn't matter if you broke in or walked in an open door, if you're inside a building you're not supposed to be in, they can charge you with burglary.
That hardly ever happens, but the letter of the law says nothing about how you get in. Trespassing is usually entering property or land without permission, rather than a building.
What are my ethics? Any means necessary.
"Aint nothin' to it but to do it"
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Loki
location:
Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 47 on 11/8/2010 12:01 AM >
| | | | The Line,
Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank |
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Sledgy
location:
Behind the lens, Australia
Gender: Male
Explore Your City
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 48 on 11/8/2010 12:02 AM >
| | | | I dunno too much about international laws but as far as cops here are concerned "break and enter" doesn't mean that you have to beak anything.
They define it as breaking the seal of a building.
Think about it, opening a window, door, whatever.
Thankfully I've never really had an issue and security here are pretty powerless to stop you unless they see you about to commit a major crime like murder.
Other than that the best they can do is tell you to fuck off.
They don't have the power to arrest you and if you aren't under arrest they cant detain you.
Win!
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metawaffle
 
King of Puns
location:
Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 49 on 11/8/2010 12:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by Sledgy
They define it as breaking the seal of a building.
Think about it, opening a window, door, whatever.
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Indeed!
Cop: So, you opened the door and just went inside?
Me: Oh, the door was already open, I just walked in.
...some more discussion...
Cop: Did the door open easily, or was it stuck?
Me: The door was open when I arrived.
...and so on...
(Needless to say, I had opened the door  )
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Hocksmonovits
location:
Podunk town in Washington state
Gender: Male
118th Tactical Fighter Wing
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 50 on 11/8/2010 1:37 AM >
| | | | I would personally would have no problems into breaking into a building if time/strength/stealth/tools permitted, but you bet that once you've done something like that, you're taking much more risks in the event that the police catch wind of it.
I guess it depends on the area. I wouldn't have a second thought of busting a pad lock in a building somewhere out of of town, compared to a building inside of town.
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TicTac
location:
Philly
Gender: Male
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 51 on 11/8/2010 2:45 AM >
| | | | I'd prefer to use non / minimally destructive means, such as picking or encouraging a small vent to open. If the building's otherwise sealed, it'd be better to find a way in that could be concealed after you leave, to keep out the riff-raff
The Viaduct runs through the Callowhill Loft District, which is overrun with hipsters. This is just another one of those things a hipster would probably do.
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CatalogOfCulture
location:
All over the northeast
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 52 on 11/8/2010 3:22 AM >
| | | | Posted by Peat
This discussion is getting pretty off topic.
To brake in or to walk in, To damage or not damage, break a window or not,
OK
Choose a side and talk about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I was being obscure in my earlier post but basically saying if no one is around what difference does it make whether you use an existing POE or make one.
** Also as a general rule I try to make the building look more secure than when I arrived... closing up obvious POEs and such.
[last edit 11/8/2010 3:29 AM by CatalogOfCulture - edited 1 times]
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DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 53 on 11/8/2010 5:10 AM >
| | | | What if you walk in an open door and whilst inside security came by and boarded it up!
You get arrested for breaking and leaving while shouting "Illegal confinement! illegal confinement!"
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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makman
location:
Rochester, NY
Gender: Male
I live alone with a criminal
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 54 on 11/8/2010 5:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
What if you walk in an open door and whilst inside security came by and boarded it up!
You get arrested for breaking and leaving while shouting "Illegal confinement! illegal confinement!"
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This happened to me on my first real explore. A 17 story psych hospital with a nice easy entrance- just my luck! Took my gf in there and explored for about an hour. On the way back down, we heard some sounds- got to the bottom and saw wooden boards (previously missing) and a floor-to-ceiling chain-link fence (previously with a gaping hole) blocking our exit. That was a fun time- I can proudly say that I have broken out of a mental institution with a cheap multitool. 
Be careful, not safe.
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compaq12986
location:
Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 55 on 11/8/2010 6:30 AM >
| | | | Posted by makman
This happened to me on my first real explore. A 17 story psych hospital with a nice easy entrance- just my luck! Took my gf in there and explored for about an hour. On the way back down, we heard some sounds- got to the bottom and saw wooden boards (previously missing) and a floor-to-ceiling chain-link fence (previously with a gaping hole) blocking our exit. That was a fun time- I can proudly say that I have broken out of a mental institution with a cheap multitool.
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Id be freaking out. I guess i'd look around for a exit, but shit that would suck if you had to call the cops to let you out lol.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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ensimismada
location:
CA
Gender: Female
...wishing I had time for one more photo...
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 56 on 11/8/2010 10:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by makman
That was a fun time- I can proudly say that I have broken out of a mental institution with a cheap multitool.
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Totally worth the story!
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WarBird69
location:
Eastern TN
Gender: Male
Atomic Bird of War
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 57 on 11/8/2010 11:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by makman
That was a fun time- I can proudly say that I have broken out of a mental institution with a cheap multitool.
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That is the best story I've ever heard!
In Ohio, there is a pretty clean line between tresspass and B&E.
Tresspassing (criminal tresspass) basically means you are somewhere you shouldn't be. This is a 4th degree misdemeanor.
B&E says: "No person by force, stealth, or deception, shall trespass in an unoccupied structure, with purpose to commit therein any theft offense, as defined in section 2913.01 of the Revised Code, or any felony." It also says: "No person shall trespass on the land or premises of another, with purpose to commit a felony." So basically tresspass but with the intent to commit a felony. This is a 5th degree felony.
Burglary is basically B&E, but into an occupied structure. 2nd degree felony.
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Therrin
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North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 58 on 11/9/2010 3:07 AM >
| | | | Posted by makman
This happened to me on my first real explore. A 17 story psych hospital with a nice easy entrance- just my luck! Took my gf in there and explored for about an hour....
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Is THAT what they're calling it these days?
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voyagerfan99
location:
Tolland County, Connecticut
Gender: Male
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 59 on 11/9/2010 11:50 PM >
| | | | I actually visited an old publishing company one time. What they did was board everything up and then put liquid nails over the screws. New boarding had just been put up and no liquid nails had been applied. My buddy had a Gerber knife with a screwdriver so we unscrewed the board and sure enough it was a broken window behind the board. So we swiveled the board around and climbed in. When we left we screwed the board back in place.
Other places I've just been able to walk right in.
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