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DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
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<Reply # 20 on 11/7/2010 3:57 AM >
|  | | | I wanna be able to honestly say I didn't damage the property (at least not in a visible manner) just in case I end up talking to the police or in a courtroom. As long as whatever I do can be easily undone I'm okay with it.
I have carded doors, unscrewed hinges, unscrewed reinforcing bars on doors, cut the zip ties holding the taunton fence together (lol)
I really wanna learn lock picking. It's nondestructive and the only way I am going to get to many heights I wouldn't reach otherwise. I can always toss them if 5.0 shows up.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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MindHacker
location:
Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
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<Reply # 21 on 11/7/2010 4:34 AM >
| | | | I'll do anything as long as I can undo it on my way out.
For ethics-reasons (not damaging other people's stuff) and practical reasons (if they find their board kicked off they're coming back with 10 boards, etc etc).
So picking locks, climbing/SRT'ing, carding, unbolting/unpinning hinges... all fair game (and all done).
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Steed
    
location:
Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 22 on 11/7/2010 4:51 AM >
| | | | Oh yeah, one time I encountered a window that had been broken and then taped up again. I took the tape off and disassembled the pieces to get in. The tape was something like 10 years old so it wouldn't go back on.
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ensimismada
location:
CA
Gender: Female
...wishing I had time for one more photo...
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 23 on 11/7/2010 5:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by D-Dub
If a tree falls in the forest but no one is there to hear it does it still make a sound?
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Perhaps what the Dub was going after was the idea that once a forced POE has been created, it's there. So what the question is getting at, I presume, is that if somebody else created it and you weren't around to witness it but you still use that a POE, how is that different from your directly facilitating the entry yourself?
...or D-Dub was trying to mislead this thread with a semi-rhetorical question because of the high likelihood this conversation will erode into hissie fits.
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Intrinsic
location:
Collingwood
Gender: Male
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 24 on 11/7/2010 5:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by ensimismada
if somebody else created it and you weren't around to witness it but you still use that a POE, how is that different from your directly facilitating the entry yourself?
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In the laws of this province, one is simple trespassing here while the other is a criminal act.
POE's may come and POE's may go, but I won't create one because (a) I have a federal government job, (b) it's criminal and (c) it allows undesirables inside with their spray cans, rocks and too much boredom. Permission can often be granted by doing some research and finding the right contact... not just perusing a database.
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willskith
location:
Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 25 on 11/7/2010 6:03 AM >
| | | | I don't draw the line until someone is bleeding.
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person
location:
cincinnati
Gender: Male
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 26 on 11/7/2010 6:49 AM >
| | | | fucking ouch. how'd it happen? fall on top of a fence or something?
as far as line-drawing goes, i draw the line wherever stepping over the line would make the exploration less interesting. if you start breaking into any old random buildings, things get boring - there has to be a challenge. sneaking and climbing is a challenge. on the other hand, if i can't find a way in and i NEED to see the inside - all bets are off. better to get in and pull a few nails or crack a piece of rotting old wood than go home empty handed. then sometimes, one is just in a crowbarin' kind of mood...
edit: to clarify, i am talking about being a good sport and crowbaring gently, not being an asshole about the whole affair.
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rivermyst
location:
Hamilton, ON
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 27 on 11/7/2010 6:54 AM >
| | | | Always imagine security driving up as you're entering and look at it from their point of view.
Climbing in a window or pulling a board off a doorway looks a LOT better than having a big-ass pair of bolt cutters and a broken padlock.
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willskith
location:
Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 28 on 11/7/2010 7:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by person
fucking ouch. how'd it happen? fall on top of a fence or something?
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thats five different instances, razorwire and climbing can fuck you up, as can doing the work of a crowbar with your bare hands
grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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metawaffle
King of Puns
location:
Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 29 on 11/7/2010 8:35 AM >
| | | | I don't know about anyone else, but I've certainly found that where I draw the line has shifted significantly over the years. I'm probably not the only person who looks back at their high-and-mighty attitudes of times past, and chuckles somewhat.
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compaq12986
location:
Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 30 on 11/7/2010 9:47 AM >
| | | | I guess it depends on the site and how bad i wanted to get in. If lets say sunmount dsso ever closed here in tupper that would be one my drop everything and go list. depending on the security messures i would. so lets say it's been abandoned for 5 years because were it is and how poor and over budget the town all ready is there probably wouldnt be camera's and the one gaurd that the cheap fucks hired would have been let go along time ago just like what happened with the owd. they had a gaurd there for like a month before they decided it costed to much. so if there werent cameras or gaurds id pretty much be willing to do anything to get in. the only thing i wouldnt do is kick in doors. Id be willing to remove wood/cut locks but not do anything that would cost alot of money to repair.
so basically im willing to remove boards, plywood, locks and break small windows and that would be it. anything beyond that isnt work the trouble. keep in mind i have never broken anything or removed anything before. so 99.9% im not willing to do damage to get in but if the holy grail pops up, you can bet im going to do what i can within reason to get in.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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MonkeyPunchBaby
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<Reply # 31 on 11/7/2010 12:43 PM >
| | | | I will never break into a place. I will open doors that are unlocked, and maybe move things out of the way. I like to keep the number of crimes I am committing down to a minimum.
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WarBird69
location:
Eastern TN
Gender: Male
Atomic Bird of War
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 32 on 11/7/2010 2:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
I will never break into a place. I will open doors that are unlocked, and maybe move things out of the way. I like to keep the number of crimes I am committing down to a minimum.
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This is pretty much how I feel.
If you get busted, the chances of you walking away with a warning or simple tresspassing ticket are much higher if you simply use POE's that are either already available or don't require breaking things. Get busted breaking a window, removing boards, carrying a crowbar, etc? Expect B&E charges, or worse.
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dsankt
location:
live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 33 on 11/7/2010 2:19 PM >
| | | | Give local kids a six pack of beer to break windows, enter guilt free and highhorse intact.
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terapr0
location:
Sauga City
Gender: Male
www . tohellandback . net
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 34 on 11/7/2010 2:25 PM >
| | | | another problem with using obviously "criminal" entrances is that if you are caught inside, theres a much greater likelihood of getting blamed for any destruction. I was caught once at a boring country location by an old man who repeatedly *insisted* that WE were the ones who'd trashed the place, we'd kicked in the door and made all that mess.
In reality we'd merely utilized an existing POE and were simply taking some pictures. we werent dirty nor did we possess any tools or weapons....didnt matter to the old geezer who proceeded to whip out his cell phone and call the "military commissionaire!" to come down and arrest us for "vandalism and breaking and entering". We told old man winter to go fuck himself and got out of there before the cops came, but it was still a bad scene. be careful and use good judgement...
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Steed
location:
Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 35 on 11/7/2010 2:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by ensimismada
Perhaps what the Dub was going after was the idea that once a forced POE has been created, it's there. So what the question is getting at, I presume, is that if somebody else created it and you weren't around to witness it but you still use that a POE, how is that different from your directly facilitating the entry yourself?
...or D-Dub was trying to mislead this thread with a semi-rhetorical question because of the high likelihood this conversation will erode into hissie fits.
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I thought he was saying if a window is broken before you arrive and you use it to enter, you're not culpable.
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rob.i.am
Gender: Male
Carpe noctum
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 36 on 11/7/2010 3:02 PM >
|  | | | Posted by Steed
I thought he was saying if a window is broken before you arrive and you use it to enter, you're not culpable.
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I thought he was saying if you break it and don't get caught it's all good.
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Therrin
 
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North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 37 on 11/7/2010 3:03 PM >
| | | | Ethics!
I do not agree AT ALL, in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, with:
Digging holes underneath 8" concrete footings, to gain entrance
Using pick axes and shovels, with guys rotating, in order to dig a hole only large enough for a body to fit through, which would continue for 10 feet in that manner
And TOTALLY DONT AGREE with using a torch to cut steel guards away in order to gain access to vertical drops of 160ft deep. (Unless of course I found it that way and didn't have to do any of the work in the first place)
In all fairness though. If *I* decide for some reason to bust out a torch to cut an opening so that *I* can see something; I would re-weld the material back into place, for safety sake, and so that other's have to make the same decision I did. So that it doesn't become "easy".
And you can't tell me, that when your first trip into something looked like this
And that on your very next return trip, it looks like thiS
THAT YOU SERIOUSLY DONT HAVE THIS ON YOUR MIND (even if you don't ever end up doing it)
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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anothefoo
location:
Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 38 on 11/7/2010 3:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
Ethics!
I do not agree AT ALL, in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, with:
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Damn...that's some Shawshank redemption shit...on steroids...nice pix!
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abandonedfreak
location:
Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Where do YOU draw the line? (POE)
<Reply # 39 on 11/7/2010 3:47 PM >
| | | | I draw the line at having to so anything more than giving a door with rusty hinges a hard pull or push, I may use an entrance that was created by an idiot with a crowbar, but I refuse to be the idiot with the crow bar. Not only does that take it from a mere trespassing fine to a breaking and entering charge, and possibly a burglary charge depending on the cop's mood; but it also crosses a moral line with me. Granted times were there that I wanted to see something so bad I could tore the door off the hinges, but I never would. A prime example of this was when I saw a beautiful psych hospital standing in front of me that had some ugly boards. I had the thought of "I know I have screwdrivers and pliers in the trunk of the car...." But I just forced myself to wait until the next time some local high school kids need a place to get drunk and laid. So my thought is, enjoy what you can today, and have some faith in today's youth. Give em a chance and they will provide for us tomorrow
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