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Poll Question:
How useful do you think this tool would be for you? | | Total Votes: | 44 | | 1. Very useful, I would take it with me everywhere! | 4 | 9.09 % | 
| | 2. Pretty useful, I would take it with me every UE outing. | 8 | 18.18 % |
| | 3. Pretty useful, I would have this in my UE inventory. | 10 | 22.73 % |
| | 4. Moderately useful, I would keep it around just in case. | 8 | 18.18 % |
| | 5. Kinda useful, I would use it for a paperweight if nothing else. | 1 | 2.27 % |
| | 6. Not very useful, I might sell it on ebay to get my money back. | 1 | 2.27 % |
| | 7. Not useful at all, I wouldn't get something like this ever. | 12 | 27.27 % |
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Olaf
 
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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< on 1/21/2005 5:19 PM >
|  | | | I have worked a deal with a local machinist and engineer to build a custom tool for UEr's for extrication and entry purposes. Combining in a small compact package ; a foldable locking pick (7"L x 3/4"W x 1/2" T), bolt cutters, integral pry bar, replaceable saw blades and a modular head that can take either a hammer attachment, an adjustable crescent wrench or screwdriver heads (other ideas in the works). I am curious if any others would be interested in such a tool, if so what other functions would you find useful? This would be a very sturdy, solid construction piece, designed with superalloy* hex screws for easy take down for cleaning and changing of utilities. Several models would be available, grade23 titanium** construction "chassis" for super light carry, tungsten steel alloy*** in hard use areas (pick head, cutter tips etc) and standard made from durable and corrosion resistant HSS M4 steel****
"chassis" the body of the tool
* an aircraft industry term for superior grade alloys, expensive and very robust, these screws are designed not to strip the threads of the material they are securing and provide excellent fastening and long life
** grade23 titanium, hardest and strongest grade available, hypo-allergenic (does not cause allergic reaction, is used in some body piercings)
*** tungsten steel alloy, tungsten is added to give ultra high hardness while still possessing toughness (ability to resist impact shock without cracking)
**** industry grade very high strength and hardness steel, (HSS stands for high speed steel) retains hardness at high temperatures, these kinds of steel are used to machine all other types of steel, far superior.
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el nerdo
         
Chief UER Lackey
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 2 on 1/21/2005 5:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by Olaf
I have worked a deal with a local machinist and engineer to build a custom tool for UEr's for extrication and entry purposes. Combining in a small compact package ; a foldable locking pick (7"L x 3/4"W x 1/2" T), bolt cutters, integral pry bar, replaceable saw blades and a modular head that can take either a hammer attachment, an adjustable crescent wrench or screwdriver heads (other ideas in the works). |
Sounds more like a custom cat burglar tool... that being said, I still think there's good use for something like this.
Surely you have some sort of drawing of a prototype?
Let's see.
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ofberenonehand
location:
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"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
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<Reply # 3 on 1/21/2005 5:51 PM >
| | | | It's intriguing, but 2 things concern me:
1. It will be expensive.
2. It is nice to only take what you need to minimize bulk, risk, etc... IE. I would not want to have bolt cutters on me if all I needed was a pry-bar or screw driver.
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 4 on 1/21/2005 5:55 PM >
| | | | Yeah, I said getting out OR in, but is not intended for any criminal activity. I absolutely suck at drawing or I would love to show you concepts, my engineer guy does that, but we communicate thru email since he lives on the other side of the country and the prototypes are in CAD format. If I find a real demand for it then I will get the first series built. This tool is meant for emergency situations only, not for breaking into anything you feel like. I have many ideas for items that could be helpful to UEr's but if I'm the only one interested then no reason to put much thought or money into them.
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 5 on 1/21/2005 5:59 PM >
| | | | Yes ofberenonehand it will be expensive, but I want to offer quality product, this isn't about making money for me. The price would be half that of production for the buyer, I dont really expect a huge demand, maybe even so small that custom modifications could be done, each piece would be unique.
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Chainsaw
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location:
Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 6 on 1/21/2005 6:57 PM >
| | | | Maybe instead of a boltcutter head you could make it more like a linemans's tool, only a bit larger than standard - say make the cutting portion large enough to work on chainlink.
http://www.mytools...nlock/lineman.html
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 7 on 1/21/2005 7:12 PM >
| | | | Interesting idea, but a bolt cutter can handle wire, a wire cutter cannot cut bolts ;) that is my reason at least for the choice.
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MacGyver
location:
St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 8 on 1/21/2005 7:22 PM >
| | | | Sounds like a bad idea to me. Not the kind of thing I would really have a use for or want to have in my posession when stopped some day. Like the thread about a dremel tool, I really don't think this is a good approach to a problem that barely exists.
When was the last time ANYONE here was trapped somewhere that using a tool such as this (or a dremel, for that matter) to force their way out of some place would have been better than any other more typical option. I remember reading about a guy who got himself trapped in an elevator in a grain silo and ended up calling the fire department. In a case like that, cutting, prying, hammering, or grindign wouldn't be any use. the button he needed to work simply stopped functioning I believe and he needed someone at the bottom of the shaft to press a button to get the car moving.
I know that having a bolt cutters on your person at all times would make it *really* easy to get into most places, but let's also keep in mind that the majority of people calling themselves explorers are trying to not damage anything in their passing, so simply destroying anything that gets in your way is not an acceptable way of operating. With this in mind, can someone list an incident that actually happened to them where any of these tools would have solved the problem without simply causing needless damage to avoid doing it a better way?
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 9 on 1/21/2005 7:26 PM >
| | | | I dont think the chain link cutting is as important as the tip being cuttable. I have been in a few situations where I almost didnt get out of. Luckly for radios etc, I dont have to deal with that. However I think that tool concept is good.
I could see other uses for this as well, not just UE, or B and E.
Also I have talked to Olaf a good bit. He hasnt seemed like or ever been a person to destroy things from what I can tell. I think his intensions are very good, and I dont think half of you are takeing this the right way.
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 10 on 1/21/2005 7:54 PM >
| | | | MacGyver, I said "emergency" not "something u will use every outing for breaking into and out of everything in sight" it is also useful for drainers like myself who have to pry manhole covers up. For those who enjoy infiltration of live sites etc. As I said, I do not intend my product to be used for destruction, it is a utility and emergency device, nothing more. I have been designing and creating specialty tools for five years for friends and adventurers who either cannot afford the commercial counterpart or desire something different. The bolt cutters were only an example of what can be included in the tool. I value all input though, no matter what side it is coming from, this thread is afterall to determine if UEr's would find such a device useful.
On another note, this is not my only project, if anyone has an idea about something else they feel would be good to have I would love to hear about it.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 11 on 1/21/2005 8:25 PM >
| | | | Will it include a cellphone? Honestly, I think that's all you really need for most emergencies.
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undercity
location:
Los Angeles, CA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 12 on 1/21/2005 8:32 PM >
| | | | Hey man this sounds like definitely a cool idea, whether or not it would have enough of a market to pay for its own materials--- much less your time in developing it-- is questionable, but regardless of its economic feasibility it would be pretty fucking cool to have a badass looking titanium UE tool. Even if i didn't use it i'd love to have one to put up on my wall as a conversation starter.
I do think there might be a niche for something like this in general, it sounds like it would fit a niche in between the small leatherman-style things which are too small to really use for any sort of forceful entry/exit, and the much larger prybars/boltcutters/sledgehammers that are way too big and heavy to carry conveniently. I mean this thing might still be too big and heavy to be really convenient but i do think it would have its uses.
however i want to just throw in my 2 cents-- i've used hammers, boltcutters, and prybars at various times in UE, and what i've found with things like boltcutters and hammers is that they needd to be pretty fucking big to be useful. Like for boltcutters, anything smaller than 26 inches is pretty much useless, and 36" is better; i have a pair of 18" cutters that i've never found a use for. So it might not be so useful to have small- or medium-sized boltcutters in a multitool, it might eb more usuefl to just have a good set of chainlink cutters rather than a poor boltcutter. Same thing for a hammer- it wouldnt' be worth it to me to carry around the extra weight of a hammer unless it was big enough to to be useful in getting through cinderblock, in which case it would probably be too heavy for me to want to carry anyway.
One other idea-- if you could put a manhole hook on one end of it, that would make it much more useful from my point of view. Not a full-size manhole hook, but something that would get under there and give enough of a grip to lift it. Maybe a couple differnt types for differnt manhole styles-- you could build a hook onto the end of the boltcutter/wirecutter handle maybe. But a multi-tool with miniature manhole lifter that was small enough to fit in my bag would go pretty cool.
steve
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ofberenonehand
location:
Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
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<Reply # 13 on 1/21/2005 8:37 PM >
| | | | I have to say, though I wouldn't carry it out to UE, I still might be interested in something like this. Putting money aside, I would certainly like a compact, sturdy, all in one type tool. I have a pry bar. I have a hammer. I have bolt cutters and all that. I could never see throwing them all in my backpack or trunk though. This I might.
Pictures would be neat/helpful.
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Heartless
location:
Dakota Territory
Gender: Male
nowhere is a state of mind
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<Reply # 14 on 1/21/2005 8:44 PM >
| | | | Tools can be bought at dollar stores for pain-free throwing into the woods when cops come. I've only ever needed tools to scrape ice away from steam tunnel hatches and open manholes; but buy a solid lock back knife and it will prove worth its weight in gold...
If you have to carry bolt cutters, you're not looking hard enough. But I admit, it would be a pretty badass tool.
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 15 on 1/21/2005 9:07 PM >
| | | | Well hell, I guess I should build it for simple badassness  haha. Yeah I see your point about cutter size, 36" really is the first size that has any use. I'm thinking about a chain cutter with a handle that comes with an extension (think of the screw in kind) for added leverage. A manhole hook huh, I've never done that, just used a large sized flathead or crowbar, but then where I am we only have one kind of manhole, I haven't been able to drain in other places, good idea! The size is also important, it would not be tiny, but not so big you could not carry it in a pocket without being weighed down like the anchor on a warship. Preliminary estimates on the dimensions and materials lead me to believe it would weigh no more than 2 or 3 lbs, I could of course be wrong. It is funny how I came up with the idea in the first place. I kind of inherited this old pickaxe from a friend and after I had cleaned up the surface rust and hosed it down it was pretty cool. The problem is it weighs about 30lbs and the handle is composite plastic about 3' long! So it sure can't come along on regular outings. I was thinking, "hey, how cool would it be to take the spike off, put it on another, smaller handle, and make it so it is folding" then it just evolved into making a whole new, rugged utility tool. Of course it couldn't be anywhere near so heavy and big so I scaled it down to one fifth it's original size (this was design, not an actual proto), added a pry bar as part of the handle and then started playing with combinations of tooling and possible configurations of how it would look.
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Caveman6666
location:
NY
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<Reply # 16 on 1/22/2005 12:55 PM >
| | | | Keep it simple. Many uses and pocket size.
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dev
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<Reply # 17 on 1/22/2005 5:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by Caveman6666
Keep it simple. Many uses and pocket size.
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Oooo... I already want one.
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Caveman6666
location:
NY
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<Reply # 18 on 1/22/2005 7:27 PM >
| | | | I ever get out to Motor City I'll bring you one.
Yet another unoriginal generic UE website. GODDAM! |
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Olaf
location:
Wilmingon, NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 19 on 1/23/2005 10:41 PM >
| | | | I was thinking more along the lines of a large size multi-tool, with functions that fold out and some that are integral. By a show of hands who would be interested in buying such a device (cost not important, just concept) ?
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