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 Liska
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 200 on 1/25/2011 3:54 PM >
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Good post Liska ! I hate seeing kids post about how every hospital is haunted because it was a torture chamber where patients were all inmates tortured to death. It's just make believe. The workers cared about their jobs, and before medications these patients had nowhere else to go (and still don't, they're just medicated).
The whole tortured souls BS is an urban legend. Lobotomies and shock treatments are still performed to this day in extreme cases where medication doesn't work. If I was a nut I wish I could live in a beautiful setting like Danvers and grow my own food and livestock, and if I was too nuts to be outside then I'd be too nuts to care lol
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Exactly. Granted, I am in NO way discounting or pushing aside anyones feelings. Every place is creepy/strange/weird feeling when anyone goes in at first. Including me, as the first few times I went there it weirded me out, too. However, the more time I spent there, the more I realized that, whatever it is, it means no harm.
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Kurt
    
Location: Taxachusetts
Gender: Male
NEVER SAY DEVER!
| |  | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 201 on 1/25/2011 7:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by Liska
Exactly. Granted, I am in NO way discounting or pushing aside anyones feelings. Every place is creepy/strange/weird feeling when anyone goes in at first. Including me, as the first few times I went there it weirded me out, too. However, the more time I spent there, the more I realized that, whatever it is, it means no harm.
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I don't care what anyone says, I think BSS is an awesome place! there's just so many buildings some are old some are more modern and there's still some goodies left inside! It has its creepy times, but I feel like any old abandoned area like BSS will give off that creepy feeling to many
"What is your favorite thing about Belchertown?"
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Weirdlig
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 202 on 1/25/2011 11:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by MrGreenJeansThe whole tortured souls BS is an urban legend. Lobotomies and shock treatments are still performed to this day in extreme cases where medication doesn't work. If I was a nut I wish I could live in a beautiful setting like Danvers and grow my own food and livestock, and if I was too nuts to be outside then I'd be too nuts to care lol
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For the most part, yes. Many want to believe these places are dripping with sickness and that you can just inhale the sadness. But honestly almost none of the places I've been to have felt this way.
I only beg to differ [on BSS] based on an article revealing the status of the place titled 'The Tragedy Of Belchertown'. It was written in the seventies publically revealing the under staffing and neglect and, as we know, they closed almost thirty years later. It's cited in a book titled 'Crimes Against Humanity'.
No one meant harm here, but the ratio was something staggering about how many patients were to a doctor/nurse. They had to leave severely crippled kids in bed for years without even television...they couldn't care for the diapered children and they were left unsanitary.
BSS is incredibly cool and one of my favorites, but this place legitimately has bad vibes. By fault of an inability to care rather than evil, perhaps--but nonetheless this place is full of suffering.
I didn't feel any of these vibes while there...the girlfriend is another story. No other place has done this.
I'd go back, but a promise is a promise.
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Carl Ham
Location: Rural Manitoba
Gender: Male
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 203 on 1/25/2011 11:55 PM >
| | | | the foliage in the first photos made the place look awesome.
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Neuf350z
Location: MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 204 on 1/25/2011 11:57 PM >
| | | | Posted by Garutachi
One of the girls I went with back in November actually ended up vomiting from the roof of a building there. I thought maybe it was just nerves cause she was new to UE but she swears it was a "presence". I went with her again a couple weeks later and she was fine in every other building, but she was adamant about not going near that building. |
I've never been to BT but I've had a similar experience with an "odd" feeling from a mental hospital that I explored (a well-known site amongst us).
There is only one building at this hospital that really gave me a bad feeling when I went near it. Out of nowhere I started sweating and got lightheaded and nauseous. I didn't get to explore that building, just left and was fine as soon as moved away from it. I've been back several times but I steer clear of this building.
I admit that I totally believe in spirits, ghosts and such and that if bad things happened to people in certain places there's a good chance they've stuck around after they've passed on. That's why I'd never ever take anything from one of these places as a souvenir or something in fear of bring bad ju-ju's home with me.
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Liska
Location: Western Massachusetts
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 205 on 1/26/2011 12:35 AM >
| | | | Posted by Weirdling
For the most part, yes. Many want to believe these places are dripping with sickness and that you can just inhale the sadness. But honestly almost none of the places I've been to have felt this way.
I only beg to differ [on BSS] based on an article revealing the status of the place titled 'The Tragedy Of Belchertown'. It was written in the seventies publically revealing the under staffing and neglect and, as we know, they closed almost thirty years later. It's cited in a book titled 'Crimes Against Humanity'.
No one meant harm here, but the ratio was something staggering about how many patients were to a doctor/nurse. They had to leave severely crippled kids in bed for years without even television...they couldn't care for the diapered children and they were left unsanitary.
BSS is incredibly cool and one of my favorites, but this place legitimately has bad vibes. By fault of an inability to care rather than evil, perhaps--but nonetheless this place is full of suffering.
I didn't feel any of these vibes while there...the girlfriend is another story. No other place has done this.
I'd go back, but a promise is a promise.
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I used to think the same thing; however, do me a favor:
Go to the Belchertown historical society... (make an appointment, so someone knows to meet you there) and let them you know you'd like to borrow the official documentary on BSS, then take it home and watch it. Tell me if you still believe that they were purposely doing this, and they didn't care, after you watch it. There's no acting, and there's no censoring. It's a wide-open doors view of BSS, and their staff.
And as I said, i'm not discounting anyones feelings- least of all your girlfriends. But, what's said and assumed to be, isn't always true.
[last edit 1/26/2011 1:18 AM by Liska - edited 1 times]
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Garutachi
Location: MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 206 on 1/26/2011 1:31 AM >
| | | | I know someone who worked there and I used to work in human services and I cared for a few of the men that lived there when they where teenagers, before residential care came about. It was overcrowded but that doesn't mean all the employees where evil and out to do harm to the residents. I'd love to watch that documentary. Is the historical society the only place that has it?
"The Earth is not my home, I'm just passing by." -Tom Waits |
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Liska
Location: Western Massachusetts
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 207 on 1/26/2011 1:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by Garutachi
I know someone who worked there and I used to work in human services and I cared for a few of the men that lived there when they where teenagers, before residential care came about. It was overcrowded but that doesn't mean all the employees where evil and out to do harm to the residents. I'd love to watch that documentary. Is the historical society the only place that has it?
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That I know of, yes. It's a very very old documentary- after the initial accusations. A channel/documentary person went in, with permission for full access to anything they wanted to see- even the ward where they kept the worst patients.
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Kurt
Location: Taxachusetts
Gender: Male
NEVER SAY DEVER!
| | | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 208 on 1/26/2011 5:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by Liska
That I know of, yes. It's a very very old documentary- after the initial accusations. A channel/documentary person went in, with permission for full access to anything they wanted to see- even the ward where they kept the worst patients.
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i'm dying to see that documentary now...
"What is your favorite thing about Belchertown?"
"...the history, man" |
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Liska
Location: Western Massachusetts
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 209 on 1/26/2011 12:35 PM >
| | | | it's at the historical society- theyve only one copy, there are also some videoed interviews, after the school closed, and they did with the older employees about their time there. All of it's interesting!
Dont all flood them at once, though, the might get suspcious!
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Weirdlig
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 210 on 1/26/2011 2:19 PM >
| | | | I don't think they did it out of evil, as said they had some disturbing ratio of patients to doctors/nurses. It wasn't possible, based on funding, to care for them.
Problem is that, regardless of intent, patients were left in terrible condition. And they were, as the name of the school claimed, 'feeble minded'. They had no conception of why this treatment was happening and I think that kinda raises the bar for suffering.
I can't say I have any information other than some excerpts from the tragedy article. Hell, for all I know it was a big hoax that was sad in itself...but you'd hear about the deflation of the article within forty years.
Anyhow, the cliffnotes: I don't believe it takes intent at all to create 'a haunting'. Oddly, that's one of the few things I know I believe on this. I used to find it all ridiculous.
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MrGreenJeans
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| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 211 on 1/26/2011 6:09 PM >
| | | | I don't think everyone considered "feeble minded" has no clue what's going on around them lol You also have to understand that stories are written to sell papers, magazines or entice viewers and we all know nobody wants to hear that everything is fine. Not to say everything ran perfectly, or that caregivers were able to do everything they would have liked.
Even today we have prisons which are overcrowded, which spreads diseases like TB. I know in Middleton they've been so overcrowded they bunk new inmates in the gym because there aren't enough cells.
All these things weigh on your mind, whether you realize it or not and effect how you feel when going to these places. If you assume stories of torture and murder are for real then it's natural to feel uneasy in that place, especially if you believe in spiritism.
I think someone should get that documentary and make a few copies ;)
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Kurt
Location: Taxachusetts
Gender: Male
NEVER SAY DEVER!
| | | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 212 on 1/26/2011 6:18 PM >
| | | | looks like i'll be making a trip out to western MA for some research!
"What is your favorite thing about Belchertown?"
"...the history, man" |
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Garutachi
Location: MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 213 on 1/26/2011 9:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by MrGreenJeans
I don't think everyone considered "feeble minded" has no clue what's going on around them lol You also have to understand that stories are written to sell papers, magazines or entice viewers and we all know nobody wants to hear that everything is fine. Not to say everything ran perfectly, or that caregivers were able to do everything they would have liked.
Even today we have prisons which are overcrowded, which spreads diseases like TB. I know in Middleton they've been so overcrowded they bunk new inmates in the gym because there aren't enough cells.
All these things weigh on your mind, whether you realize it or not and effect how you feel when going to these places. If you assume stories of torture and murder are for real then it's natural to feel uneasy in that place, especially if you believe in spiritism.
I think someone should get that documentary and make a few copies ;)
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I can try to do it at school..if they will allow me to keep it for a couple days.
"The Earth is not my home, I'm just passing by." -Tom Waits |
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Liska
Location: Western Massachusetts
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 214 on 1/26/2011 10:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by Garutachi
I can try to do it at school..if they will allow me to keep it for a couple days.
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They let me take it for 3 
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urbanjoe
 
Location: Georgia
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 215 on 1/28/2011 12:33 AM >
| | | | Hey how's it going been a while since I posted. Reading about this documentary sounds interesting, don't worry I have no plans to go check it out but if someone does maybe they can convert it digitally? Then we can all get a chance to view it. I stayed right next to BSS back in the 70s at a family friends house a few times. I never had a clue what it was for. I think my parents just said it was a school, but left out the details. So cool how this extra circular activity that we do actually has us learning the history of mental health as well as other things 
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Neuf350z
Location: MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 216 on 1/28/2011 12:40 AM >
| | | | I'd be interesting in seeing it too.
I haven't seen it but has anyone seen the documentary done on Fernald - "Front Wards, Back Wards"? http://www.youtube...atch?v=l1H5Xuy8UYM The last time I looked into it, they wanted a couple hundred bucks to purchase a copy.
I've read the book "The State Boys Rebellion" but prefer film to tell me a story.
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Weirdlig
Gender: Female
| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 217 on 1/31/2011 4:19 PM >
| | | | My bad, I suppose my assumption even bordered insensitive. I don't know much about state schools...my figuring was that at least most of the students would have to be very disabled, most often mentally, to end up there. All the schools I've been an actual student at had plenty of kids with Down's Syndrome...they'd never been to any sort of institution. It was an ignorant comment even just for something I unthinkingly typed up quickly.
Anyhow, like I've said, I don't get bad vibes. I believe in presences [now] but I can't imagine it ever affecting me on a visit anywhere. Worst I've ever gotten is 'knowing' there was someone behind me in a TB ward when I was alone.
The girlfriend is another story. When I bring her somewhere I do have to take the vibes into consideration. Belchertown didn't sit well with her, and the stuff she looked up about it probably made it alot worse.
I only believe the article [which she found excerpts from, not the full thing] because there was nothing listed about it being discredited in all this time, the school was closed [as read for neglect], and it seemed plausible. All the state institutions had funding and thus understaffing issues.
Who knows? Could have been nonsense. I was just given different information by someone else who read about it.
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LilyFnWhite
(aka: Lily White)
Location: Portland, Oregon
Gender: Male
Im drunk..
| | | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 218 on 2/1/2011 6:28 PM >
| | | | I love Belchertown, when the snow clears out a little more we should do a meet up and hit Belchertown and P.Devers School....
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MrGreenJeans
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| | Re: Belchertown State School
<Reply # 219 on 2/1/2011 8:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by Neuf350z
I'd be interesting in seeing it too.
I haven't seen it but has anyone seen the documentary done on Fernald - "Front Wards, Back Wards"? http://www.youtube...atch?v=l1H5Xuy8UYM The last time I looked into it, they wanted a couple hundred bucks to purchase a copy.
I've read the book "The State Boys Rebellion" but prefer film to tell me a story.
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It seems the cost is so high because you're allowed to show it publicly, i.e., in schools and other institutions, where regular rentals are only for home viewing. Most documentaries are propaganda anyway, their real value is for people who can read between the lines and use them as only one source of information about any given topic rather than the source.
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