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 Caste
Location: Toronto, Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 80 on 9/28/2010 2:04 AM >
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All local places around me seem to sell only dynamic rope, does anyone have any suggestions for an online vendor (preferably canadian for cheaper shipping) were I can buy static rope? Im think I want to go for around 200' of 10.5-11mm would be a good start?
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Another Toronto local doing rope work eh?
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PositivePressure
 
Location: High and low where most don't go
Gender: Male
Set your Tesla coil to broil
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 81 on 9/28/2010 3:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by Matt W
All local places around me seem to sell only dynamic
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Your locale says you're in Toronto - if this is the case, try MEC. Most of the times I've been in their stores only a few of the sales staff could be persuaded away from the dynamic to point me to where the static rope was kept, haha.
They normally stock New England KMIII, which is by far one of (if not the best) handling static lines I've used. Its a little beefy and heavy to haul around, but if 11mm is what you're after, its both NFPA and CE certified. It won't twist up on you as much as a lot of the even pricier Petzl or similar rescue rated ropes, and is a lot more flexible and nicer to handle, especially when it comes to holding knots and such. Also stores down smaller than lots of other stuff out there, which means easier carrying - less reminiscent of working with stiff steel cable that just wont fold up into a bag.
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Location: Canada
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 82 on 9/28/2010 4:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by Caste
Another Toronto local doing rope work eh?
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seems like the flavor of the week 
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delusional
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 83 on 9/28/2010 7:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by PositivePressure
Your locale says you're in Toronto - if this is the case, try MEC. Most of the times I've been in their stores only a few of the sales staff could be persuaded away from the dynamic to point me to where the static rope was kept, haha.
They normally stock New England KMIII, which is by far one of (if not the best) handling static lines I've used. Its a little beefy and heavy to haul around, but if 11mm is what you're after, its both NFPA and CE certified. It won't twist up on you as much as a lot of the even pricier Petzl or similar rescue rated ropes, and is a lot more flexible and nicer to handle, especially when it comes to holding knots and such. Also stores down smaller than lots of other stuff out there, which means easier carrying - less reminiscent of working with stiff steel cable that just wont fold up into a bag.
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When I had gone to MEC to take a look all they had was dynamic sitting out.. maybe they have static hiding in the back? Ill head back this afternoon and ask someone what they have.
So after doing a bunch of reading around Ive chosen some items Im going to get, if I'm missing anything let me know
- Onrope Book (In the mail on route already)
- Rope, most likely 60m static 11mm
- Either the GGG Ultralight or the OR1 Expedition Goliath harness (Does anyone prefer one more then the other?)
- Petzl Omni for the harness
- Petzl Ascension
- Petzl Croll
- Chest harness for the croll
- ATC, I havnt decided what one yet.. recommendations?
- Prusik cord
- 4-6 D screwgate biners
- Misc webbing, is it better to go longer, short or get a good mix of various sizes?
Thats all I can think of off the top of my head.
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musket boy
Location: Maui
Gender: Male
It smells like your grandpa and your feet stick to the floor
| |  |  | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 84 on 9/28/2010 8:29 PM >
| | | | static rope usually comes on a spool so they keep it out back, they cut it for you and you pay by the foot.
sometimes they have 150' coils for sale where the dynamic ropes are but they cost more, its cheaper to have them cut you 150' at $0.78/ft than it is to buy a 150' coil for $140
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musket boy
Location: Maui
Gender: Male
It smells like your grandpa and your feet stick to the floor
| | | | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 85 on 9/28/2010 8:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by Matt W
- Either the GGG Ultralight or the OR1 Expedition Goliath harness (Does anyone prefer one more then the other?)
Thats all I can think of off the top of my head.
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I have a goliath expedition harness and its pretty nice, it has a built in chest harness that is removable, I wouldn't recommend an atc for use with a static rope I used one on my pmi ez bend rope the other day and the rope was just way too soft and flattened out and didnt feed well. they work great on stiffer ropes but I'd recommend a micro rack with at least one hyperbar. the one I got was 55 bucks at karst sports
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PositivePressure
Location: High and low where most don't go
Gender: Male
Set your Tesla coil to broil
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 86 on 9/28/2010 11:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by Matt W
- ATC, I havnt decided what one yet.. recommendations?
- Misc webbing, is it better to go longer, short or get a good mix of various sizes?
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For the ATC, I've always liked the ATC-XP. It's got pretty decent heat dissipation due to its size, and has hi and lo friction capability. Otherwise the ATC Guide is a good choice if you're going to be belaying people or using it for controlling tag lines when hauling gear and stuff of that sort.
As for webbing, I always just buy a whole ton of it at once and cut it into whatever lengths I need for various things later on. I use my electric stove stop to melt the ends after cutting. I'm sure the staff love me, because I don't make them spend a half hour cutting them down into specific sizes 
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vov35
 
Location: Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 87 on 9/28/2010 11:57 PM >
| | | | Here's a fun question: I can access the top of a 25-30 meter edge by alternative means, but I wish to put in a top rope. my requirement is that only I be able to use, and ideally even see said top rope. Hao do?
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Caste
Location: Toronto, Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 88 on 9/29/2010 12:35 AM >
| | | | Hmm, well as far as the crane goes I think I'll need to have a hook, a lot of the framework is too large, would I then have to have another dynamic rope at about arms length attached with a carabiner on either end knotted in figure 8 for any ladder work/designated clip in points? Is that a realistic setup purely for safety, good rock climbing harness, just the lower, set of dynamic with a hook and another set with a carabiner?
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 90 on 9/30/2010 3:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by PositivePressure
As for webbing, I always just buy a whole ton of it at once and cut it into whatever lengths I need for various things later on.
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+1
Posted by Matt W
- Petzl Ascension
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You'll want two of those. You might want to wait until you get on rope and then order after you read that and have a better idea. Get the rope, and ascenders if you're impatient.
As far as ATC vs rack: I think you want to start with an atc. Much simpler, no chance of tying in backwards and having it pop to your death, etc.
@vov: Tie up an anchor, then go to a biner (or a hardwarestore link) pass the rope through, tie one end down, and use the other end to climb. When you leave, pull some fishing line through and tie both ends down. When you come back, you can pull up some paracord or whatever, and use that to pull through your rope (maybe even pull through the rope, depending. If you use tape on one end you'll do a lot better. Also, wanna go climbing some day? I'm in MD and I could bring out all my toys...
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vov35
Location: Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 91 on 10/1/2010 11:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
@vov: Tie up an anchor, then go to a biner (or a hardwarestore link) pass the rope through, tie one end down, and use the other end to climb. When you leave, pull some fishing line through and tie both ends down. When you come back, you can pull up some paracord or whatever, and use that to pull through your rope (maybe even pull through the rope, depending. If you use tape on one end you'll do a lot better. Also, wanna go climbing some day? I'm in MD and I could bring out all my toys...
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that's brilliant! thanks!
And I'd love to go climbing, but I have no gear (and what seems to concern people here even more... under 18)
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musket boy
Location: Maui
Gender: Male
It smells like your grandpa and your feet stick to the floor
| | | | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 92 on 10/1/2010 11:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by Matt W
musket boy, is there anything you dont like about the OR1 harness?
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I got the expedition model which is padded and thus bulky if you want to pack it away but not a problem if your going to wear it all the time
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delusional
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 93 on 10/5/2010 11:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by musket boy
I got the expedition model which is padded and thus bulky if you want to pack it away but not a problem if your going to wear it all the time
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I decided on the OR1 Expedition Goliath Harness, unpadded so I can fit it into a backpack easier.
I also decided to get the micro rack and I will probably pick up an atc aswell from the local mec
Now I just have to wait for everything to arrive in the mail, cant wait!
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.sarge.
Location: Born in Virginia, Hearts in Washington, live in North Dakota.
Gender: Male
Dammit why didnt I bring my camera
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 94 on 10/11/2010 8:14 PM >
| | | | This is some awesome material. I need to start learning this stuff quick as it seems to open up a whole new world of adventure.
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PositivePressure
Location: High and low where most don't go
Gender: Male
Set your Tesla coil to broil
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 95 on 10/14/2010 10:15 PM >
| | | | Here's a video I made illustrating basic descending and ascending, locking off mid-rappel, and changeover using a few different methods.
http://www.youtube...atch?v=PpJg4OICwzo
I thought it might be kind of cool and more effective to show things from a first-person perspective, so I employed a helmet mounted camera. Best viewed at high quality (480p), increased size and with captions on.
Disclaimer:
Please note that such videos are not intended to replace formal instruction by qualified persons, that rappelling is inherently dangerous, and that I do not condone any of the activities portrayed in the video.
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delusional
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 96 on 10/15/2010 8:10 PM >
| | | | Posted by PositivePressure
Here's a video I made illustrating basic descending and ascending, locking off mid-rappel, and changeover using a few different methods.
http://www.youtube...atch?v=PpJg4OICwzo
I thought it might be kind of cool and more effective to show things from a first-person perspective, so I employed a helmet mounted camera. Best viewed at high quality (480p), increased size and with captions on.
Disclaimer:
Please note that such videos are not intended to replace formal instruction by qualified persons, that rappelling is inherently dangerous, and that I do not condone any of the activities portrayed in the video.
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Awesome video the first person perspective is great and helpful, the change overs are very useful aswell.
Is that the GoProHD camera? and nice mortar gloves
I got most of my gear in the mail this week, unfortunately I don't have tracking numbers for the rest of the gear so hopefully I get everything else next week
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edits: ffuuuu images
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PositivePressure
Location: High and low where most don't go
Gender: Male
Set your Tesla coil to broil
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 97 on 10/15/2010 10:32 PM >
| | | | Yes, its the GoPro camera. I quite like it. The youtube video is a poor example really, as the quality straight from it is very good - I would almost say its amazing - but it really can't handle low-light in any capacity whatsoever which is its biggest drawback for me.
And the mortar gloves... I love them for rope stuff. They're so damn comfy and grippy and I especially like how the leather wraps around between the thumb and first finger. Unfortunately though the leather portion likes to tear off the tips of the fingers when rappelling. Trying to find a solution to that, other than just having to get hold of new ones all the time because otherwise they're great. Much better than full leather belay gloves as far as flexibility/dexterity is concerned. I still haven't found an actual rappel-purposed glove that I like, but am still searching.
Let me know when all of your gear arrives and we'll get out on the wall and go over some stuff 
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delusional
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 98 on 10/18/2010 10:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by PositivePressure
Yes, its the GoPro camera. I quite like it. The youtube video is a poor example really, as the quality straight from it is very good - I would almost say its amazing - but it really can't handle low-light in any capacity whatsoever which is its biggest drawback for me.
And the mortar gloves... I love them for rope stuff. They're so damn comfy and grippy and I especially like how the leather wraps around between the thumb and first finger. Unfortunately though the leather portion likes to tear off the tips of the fingers when rappelling. Trying to find a solution to that, other than just having to get hold of new ones all the time because otherwise they're great. Much better than full leather belay gloves as far as flexibility/dexterity is concerned. I still haven't found an actual rappel-purposed glove that I like, but am still searching.
Let me know when all of your gear arrives and we'll get out on the wall and go over some stuff
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I had a GoProHD (the car mount version) and it got stolen a few months ago. I really miss it the quality is amazing, Im going to try and pick up another one at some point.
The stitching sucks on the mortar gloves, I went through a bunch because the stitching on the fingers kept ripping plus they were always black from the carbon of the weapons.
Forgot to mention the caterpillar find is hilarious!
I also got the rest of my stuff (check your PM's)
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terapr0
Location: Sauga City
Gender: Male
www . tohellandback . net
| | | Re: a guide to basic rope work
<Reply # 99 on 10/19/2010 2:57 AM >
| | | | haha that videos awesome man...great work. We'll have to get out to that bridge before the snow comes....this weekend maybe?
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