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 bdgr
  
Location: Chicago Adjacent
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 140 on 1/29/2010 11:26 AM >
|  | | | Well, as Chris Rock said...if they have to come get you, they are bringing an ass whooping with them.
As people have said here, don't lie, don't act guilty, don't volunteer information.
As for rude, hostile police...usually it's an act. I worked as a bouncer/private security officer for nightclubs (and the occasional property) back in the 80's when i was blowing off my college education. The cops would scream at people, accuse them of all kinds of terrible things, and then let them go. As soon as the subject was out of earshot they laughed about it. the idea is put a scare into the subject, so look like you've learned your lesson and take the lecture...all the while acting like you never thought what you were doing was wrong.
SECURITY...well, I did this for a number of years, and I'm still friends with the owners of the company (one of which is int UE...Ironic). A few mis conceptions (state of texas, other states have their own laws):
Security officers have basically the authority of the owner of the property in their absence. Just as you have the authority to order someone out of your house, and use some degree of force to achieve that, so do security guards. Get in a fight with a security guard on their own turf and legally you are at a big disadvantage.
As for arrest. In Texas, a private security officer has the same powers of arrest as a private citizen...which means they can arrest for any felony or BREACH OF THE PUBLIC PEACE commited in their presence. that includes trespassing, assault, vandalism, use of abusive language (I'm not kidding) or public intoxication....there is a pretty long list. Bouncing it was always public intox, and I made probably a dozen or so forcible arrests working bars. The standards for public intox in Texas are dangerously broad.
BUT IN REALITY...99 percent of security work in Texas is "observe and report" meaning, the security are under orders not to do anything but call the cops, write down plate numbers...And even those who aren't really dont want to stop you, they want you to leave. If a security guard yells for you to stop, and you run away from his property then they are just going to let you go.
One last thing. If a guard grabs ahold of you, dont fight them. explain what your doing, let them give you a trespass warning, and leave. If you fight them, they are allowed to use any force short of deadly force to detain you...and a lot of these guys are wanna be cops who couldn't pass the psych exam. Getting beat with a mag light or pepper sprayed is no fun, and the cops treat someone who attacks a security guard the same as they do someone who attacks a cop, and it's not pleasant.
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puravida9539
Location: Dallas Area
Gender: Male
Just give me a flashlight
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 141 on 2/2/2010 1:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by bdgr
Well, as Chris Rock said...if they have to come get you, they are bringing an ass whooping with them.
As people have said here, don't lie, don't act guilty, don't volunteer information.
As for rude, hostile police...usually it's an act. I worked as a bouncer/private security officer for nightclubs (and the occasional property) back in the 80's when i was blowing off my college education. The cops would scream at people, accuse them of all kinds of terrible things, and then let them go. As soon as the subject was out of earshot they laughed about it. the idea is put a scare into the subject, so look like you've learned your lesson and take the lecture...all the while acting like you never thought what you were doing was wrong.
SECURITY...well, I did this for a number of years, and I'm still friends with the owners of the company (one of which is int UE...Ironic). A few mis conceptions (state of texas, other states have their own laws):
Security officers have basically the authority of the owner of the property in their absence. Just as you have the authority to order someone out of your house, and use some degree of force to achieve that, so do security guards. Get in a fight with a security guard on their own turf and legally you are at a big disadvantage.
As for arrest. In Texas, a private security officer has the same powers of arrest as a private citizen...which means they can arrest for any felony or BREACH OF THE PUBLIC PEACE commited in their presence. that includes trespassing, assault, vandalism, use of abusive language (I'm not kidding) or public intoxication....there is a pretty long list. Bouncing it was always public intox, and I made probably a dozen or so forcible arrests working bars. The standards for public intox in Texas are dangerously broad.
BUT IN REALITY...99 percent of security work in Texas is "observe and report" meaning, the security are under orders not to do anything but call the cops, write down plate numbers...And even those who aren't really dont want to stop you, they want you to leave. If a security guard yells for you to stop, and you run away from his property then they are just going to let you go.
One last thing. If a guard grabs ahold of you, dont fight them. explain what your doing, let them give you a trespass warning, and leave. If you fight them, they are allowed to use any force short of deadly force to detain you...and a lot of these guys are wanna be cops who couldn't pass the psych exam. Getting beat with a mag light or pepper sprayed is no fun, and the cops treat someone who attacks a security guard the same as they do someone who attacks a cop, and it's not pleasant.
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I work in security now, and this is pretty much right on. Observe and report is the main goal. And detaining is kinda a grey area, cuz it is somehow between a citizen's arrest (which can only be done in the event of a felony) and unlawful detainment. Most security guards probably are not looking to catch and keep you. They really just don't want you to be there. You should help them all out and just run  they probably do not feel the need to chase.
And with security, a criminal trespass warning is probably as bad as you will get. We give them out sometimes, but we have never fined anyone or had the cops take them unless they came back after receiving the trespass warning.
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bdgr
Location: Chicago Adjacent
Gender: Male
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 142 on 2/2/2010 5:38 AM >
| | | | well..felony or breach of the public peace...unless it's changed. I made several mis. arrests back in the 80's.
edit...found it, from the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure (which governs such things)
Art. 14.01. [212] [259] [247] OFFENSE WITHIN VIEW. (a) A
peace officer or any other person, may, without a warrant, arrest an
offender when the offense is committed in his presence or within his
view, if the offense is one classed as a felony or as an offense
against the public peace.
[last edit 2/2/2010 5:42 AM by bdgr - edited 1 times]
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ScarberianTiger
Location: Toronto | Ottawa
Gender: Male
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 143 on 5/9/2010 10:20 PM >
| | | | I have been busted multiple times in Toronto, and i have found that its a lot easier to just give yourself up peacefully rather than run. This is not to say that i have never run, but cops get pissed when you run cause if makes them actually need to do some physical activity to catch you and cops in Toronto hate doing that haha. When confronted i find that the best strategy is to be polite and believe it or not crack jokes. Telling a few WELL MANNERED jokes will ease the tensions between u and the officer and make the whole process go a lot smoother. (by the way im 15 so if this can work for some teenage punk then im sure it will work for a few others out there) Just explain what our doing, what for and playing stupid works wonders as well. Dont be an asshole to them and they wont be and asshole to you.
"Call it Big Smoke, Hogtown, or Megacity, it’s where I’m from, frankly couldn’t pick a better city." |
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vov35
Location: Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 144 on 5/10/2010 8:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by puravida9539
You should help them all out and just run they probably do not feel the need to chase.
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This applies for cops too if it's not an area that they're hell bent on keeping you out of. I mean:
The owners called them because they want you out.
Cops tend to by lazy donut munching lardasses.
Cop cars can't drive through abandonments
They probably deployed one or two guys that you spotted from a couple hundred feet off. You're not surrounded and are probably a faster runner.
You generally want to make a 90 degree turn some distance out from your exit, and keep your movement perpendicular to roads. You can usually disappear pretty quick.
"Only sheep need a shepherd." -- Voltaire |
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mikenike605
Location: PDX Camas, WA
i like to take pictures
| |  | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 145 on 5/15/2010 10:15 PM >
| | | | I generally dont elude police. i think i have had such non threatening experiences with police officers that at this point i realize they only try to scare you into not doing things again, having my dad be the master of that growing up i generally dont cave anymore. for example last year the cops were called on me,as i casually walked away from the site the squad car drove up and i could tell the cop was making eye contact with me intending to pull over. i stopped and he pulled up, i kinda treated him like i was happy to see him, and although i got a field sobriety test because he thought i was drunk in the end i just got a warning not to do it again and if i was caught on the site high it probably would have been worse. i just thought it was funny thought that my positive disposition landed me the accusation of being drunk then high.
but if im in a really unfavorable spot i will generally hide somewhere uncomfortable where no one would look for a person. im not quick to get out either sometimes ill lay low for 30 min to an hour before im dead sure no one is patrolling, then i book it.
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pkrearden
Location: Funkytown, TX
Gender: Male
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 146 on 5/16/2010 2:47 PM >
| | | | only elude the cops if you're pretty sure you havent been seen.
"there is no devil, there's just god when he drinks." - Tom Waits |
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ScarberianTiger
Location: Toronto | Ottawa
Gender: Male
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 147 on 5/16/2010 10:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by pkrearden
only elude the cops if you're pretty sure you havent been seen.
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if you havent been spotted its not really "eluding" i would classify it more as being ninja.
"Call it Big Smoke, Hogtown, or Megacity, it’s where I’m from, frankly couldn’t pick a better city." |
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ubique
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Location: toronto.
Gender: Male
Viam Inveniemus
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 148 on 5/22/2010 12:53 AM >
| | | | elude? see, camouflage and concealment techniques.
Deal with? don't be a rude, entitled acting little squirt. Also, do not admit guilt. Just be polite and respectful, even if being arrested. Resist arrest, assault LEO and obstruction are really easy to toss on your synopsis and don't look good at bail/plea/trial. Don't run. See the thing about resist and obstruct. don't lie, see the thing about obstruct.
The image of them all being fat slow and lazy isn't true. I took my 3's at CFMPA and have my tin. (Granted I now wear a tan beret and came from arty first...which should say something about my general field craft and dedication to bringing hurt down on people) Even alone, I doubt myself or many of my comrades would have a hard time catching you. That goes civilian police too...alot of tactical team officers also do regular shifts. They will hunt you like an animal, the beating will be worse the more out of breath they have to get.
Then of course, there is the radio, and the ability to cordon off a building or area 100%
once your caught, you can try to hide (thats not gonna make it worse, not here anyways)
But best idea is remain undetected.
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FFEMT5034
Gender: Male
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 149 on 5/27/2010 1:58 PM >
| | | | Eluding police? Why the heck would you want to do that?
As long as you aren't vandalizing anything, I can almost guarantee you will get off with a warning or a small fine. Running will only take those charges, and add god knows what else.
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Cure.the.radio
Location: Statesboro, GA
Gender: Male
the drunks where ricochetin' off the old building downtown empty so long ago.
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 150 on 6/24/2010 11:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by Bigbob
Another thing that running from the cops might get you is a shot from a taser, which really isn't worth it.
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DON'T TAZE ME BRO!
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vov35
Location: Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 151 on 6/24/2010 11:43 PM >
| | | | Long story short: climbing through an open window is b&e in this area. There was an interesting abandonment with an open window.
Being charged with B&E doesn't sound pleasant, and the local police have a reputation for being slow.
I never assumed they were slow in the head though.
So, Someone Who Isn't Me (SWIM) climbed through this window. A neighbor noticed SWIM and called the cops. This property-nazi came out armed with a crowbar, and as SWIM was escaping, yelled something about calling the cops.
SWIM made their way across a park and left perpendicular to any roads in the area. The police showed up and made a 200 meter perimeter 6-7 minutes later (~9 cars; dog teams and all).
SWIM got away just fine....
tl;dr version:
If you know the cops are coming and have a good lead on them, disappear. When you have an adrenaline rush, you can cover 200 meters in 30 seconds; in the time it takes the cops to show up, park, get out of their car, realize they have to chase you, etc... you've made a totally unreasonable search radius (assuming you don't suck and have lost their line of sight).
Of course there is a degree of risk involved, and you have to use your head to decide whether or not you can cover enough ground fast enough.
Also our local police force has a ungood track record for criminal offences. Of the about ten that happen daily, rarely even one is listed with a successful arrest. Also "confidential for law enforcement use only" documents should not be visible to search robots like google...
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NHUrbex
Location: NH, USA
Gender: Male
You can always find me chilling on a rooftop.. Ironically, I'm not a fan of heights. Just views...
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 152 on 7/10/2010 10:41 PM >
| | | | I've had more experience then i want with the police when i exploring abandoned mills or factories.
My best tip [so far, it's the cheapest and easiest way I've found]:
1- Have a camera.
2-Well, if you get stopped (by anyone, it doesn't have to be a cop), just say something like (oh, I didn't know. I just wanted to take a few pictures.)
This can get you out of a squeeze. Also, if you have a friendly, obedient dog, you become less scary or shady of a person to others. So bring your pup along. Keep in mind, the dog will always take a shit a the worst possible time. That's a fact.
Behind every mistake, there is a lesson.
I'm just not that great at learning them! |
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becckeez
 
Location: 804
Gender: Female
trippin.
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 153 on 7/20/2010 2:54 PM >
| | | | Oh heck yes.
My rule of thumb.
If you know they're coming, but they haven't made it there... RUN
If they're already there. Hide.
If they see you, comply.
Posted by vov35
When you have an adrenaline rush, you can cover 200 meters in 30 seconds;
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\/adder
 
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 154 on 7/21/2010 12:47 AM >
| | | | I thought I already said it in this thread but I guess not...
Throw doughnuts one way and run the other.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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NHUrbex
Location: NH, USA
Gender: Male
You can always find me chilling on a rooftop.. Ironically, I'm not a fan of heights. Just views...
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 155 on 7/21/2010 2:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by becckeez
Oh heck yes.
My rule of thumb.
If you know they're coming, but they haven't made it there... RUN
If they're already there. Hide.
If they see you, comply.
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Good words. Once I was exploring a abandoned farm that was heavily marked for no trespassing, when a cop car pulled in. The guy saw my camera and my dog, gave me a thumbs up, and let me keep dishonouring the posted warnings.
Gotta love small towns!
Behind every mistake, there is a lesson.
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Mogwai1313
Location: Idaho
Gender: Male
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 156 on 9/8/2010 10:49 PM >
| | | | I have been stopped by police twice while looking around some empty and old houses and both times I have walked away from the ordeal with my good legal record intact. Here is how I did it:
1. I make photography business cards and always carry a few on me. Not only are they good for drumming up random business but they go that extra mile in actually backing up that you are a photographer when you say you are. The second time I ran into cops, I didn't even have my camera gear on me but I pulled out my ID and my photography business card and told them I was scouting an area for a possible shoot and that was all the explanation they needed. They reminded me that I was on private property and that I should refrain from shooting in that area and they left.
2. I know not everyone will be able to do this, but carrying $6000 worth of camera gear is also a good way to signal to the cops that you are indeed an innocent photographer and you are just looking for a good shot. The first time I got snagged by cops I happened to have all of my gear on me because I really was doing more photography stuff than exploring and when they asked me to open my gear bags, they saw nothing but camera gear. One cop actually asked me for buying advice before leaving me to go back to exploring.
3. I carry absolutely nothing on me that could be construed as a weapon or a crime tool. No lockpicks, no grappling hooks, no ski masks, no crowbars. If the cops look at my gear they aren't going to find anything that could hint that I was doing something else.
4. When I do have to bring rebreathers (almost never), ropes (sometimes), or anything that may be incriminating, I look for a spot within the building or area to stash my stuff so that if I do have to leave a building to go talk to whatever authority may be watching the place, none of it comes with me. I would rather lose gear than get arrested.
5. I know it has been mentioned on here before but seriously, courtesy and a good attitude go a very long way when dealing with other people, not just law enforcement. Don't be an asshat and cop an attitude or try to run away when confronted, just go talk to people and put on your happy face. If you get busted, you get busted. You knew what you were getting on board for when you went trespassing in the first place. Be responsible.
Anywho, this got long but I figured I would chip in my two cents.
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 157 on 9/9/2010 3:22 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mogwai1313
4. When I do have to bring rebreathers (almost never), ropes (sometimes), or anything that may be incriminating, I look for a spot within the building or area to stash my stuff so that if I do have to leave a building to go talk to whatever authority may be watching the place, none of it comes with me. I would rather lose gear than get arrested.
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I would rather come back for equipment later than have it confiscated, but it works out the same actions.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Harvestman
Location: Somewhere in SORTA/TANK Territory!
Gender: Male
Everything about me has a poker face.
| | | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 158 on 10/11/2010 11:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
I thought I already said it in this thread but I guess not...
Throw doughnuts one way and run the other.
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No, no. Cops won't eat a gravel-covered donut.
Long story short:
1. Don't get caught.
2. If you get caught by security, run.
3. If you get caught by security and don't run, tell the truth.
4. If you get caught by a cop, run.
5. If you get caught by a cop and don't run, tell the truth.
6. If you get caught by a cop and run or don't run and have charges, then you probably shouldn't be UEing, dumbass.
Oh good, my slow clap processor made it into this thing.
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Eluding Police
<Reply # 159 on 10/12/2010 12:51 AM >
| | | | Posted by HarvestmanMan
No, no. Cops won't eat a gravel-covered donut.
Long story short:
1. Don't get caught.
2. If you get caught by security, run.
3. If you get caught by security and don't run, tell the truth.
4. If you get caught by a cop, run.
5. If you get caught by a cop and don't run, tell the truth.
6. If you get caught by a cop and run or don't run and have charges, then you probably shouldn't be UEing, dumbass.
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I'd change "tell the truth" to "don't lie"
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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