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 Sutherland
   
Location: Bluegrass State
Gender: Female
We have assumed control
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<Reply # 80 on 7/27/2005 5:41 AM >
|  | | | I am 18, and I have been urbexing for about three years. In the early days of my ue career, I relied on my older brother for transportation. He knew that I was mature and responsible enough to not vandalize or get myself into trouble. It depends on the minor's maturity and responsibility, and mostly, your own judgement.
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rapunzel
Location: Lapeer County
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<Reply # 81 on 7/29/2005 3:58 AM >
|  | | | I think people under 18 are ok. In fact I'm pretty sure most the people I went with were under 18. As long as they're not messing around, or like babies, I think you're ok. My rule is, if you can obey the rules and I trust you it's ok for you to go.
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Boons
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 82 on 7/29/2005 7:38 AM >
| | | | I think it's rather odd that you would want to alienate people based on their age from exploring. Obviously, you've got questions of maturity involved here, but this is a hobbie that's chosen by the individual that does it so whether he is mature or not is out of the question.
I find it irrelevant to ask such a question.
Certainly when you disallow taken responsibility of any minors, yet you are concerned for them?
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HillbillyHorus
 
Location: Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 83 on 7/31/2005 5:15 AM >
| | | | I'm only 13 though I have been exploring for several years. My first time was with my father. He isn't exactly a uer, but like most people he's at least mildly interested in old buildings. One time we were hiking on a little trail and we saw this lone smokestack poking up over the trees. He decided to go over and investigate, and I came with him. As it turns out, it's a rather old Coal-Based power plant. As it was quite near to a river, it had been flooded countless times and was more of a ruin then an explorable site, but it was still interesting. It's on the VT Underground site. Go to "Off Campus Explorations", and it's under "Charlottesville Power Plant". Since then me and some friends from school have just been finding interesting places in my area. I do not think minors should be banned from the board. Most people on this forum were exploring well before the "magic age" of 18. You just have to have common sense and you should be perfectly safe. Always go with friends, even if you have been to a site many times. There's still the chance someone's dealing hard drugs or doing god knows what in such places.
Modified to remove some irrelevant information.
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Fubster
 
Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida
Gender: Male
Though highly intelligent, guide dogs cannot interpret street signs.
| | | | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 84 on 8/3/2005 3:04 AM >
| | | | Being 16, this is an important issue for me. I can understand someone citing legal concerns as a reason to exclude minors from group explorations, but some of the responses this thread has elicited are totally absurd.
Personally, I think that the law should only come into consideration if a person's maturity level is in question. The fact is, while what we do is technically illegal, the chances of being arrested for trespassing are slim to none. The sternest penalty I have ever heard of anyone receiving is a ticket and a stern warning, which I doubt is enough to call into question the age of the people involved, much less act upon it.
I have explored with people from my age to my father's age, and so far there have been no problems, legal or otherwise. That's not to say that the age issue wasn't brought up, but since I was fortunate enough to be with a group of mature and reasonable people, we were able to work out a solution that satisfied everyone (I believe exact plan was "book it for the woods and don't stop running").
My point is, if someone is mature enough to handle themselves in a potentially tight spot (mentally, physically, and legally), they should be welcome participants in any exploration, regardless of age.
Sometimes, you need to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who it is you're talking to. Then, on your way out, slam the door. |
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Boons
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 85 on 8/4/2005 12:59 AM >
| | | | Fubster,
What you fail to realise is that you're talking off subject.
It isn't a question of gauging maturity. An enforcer will not gauge your maturity level. The law is the law. That argument is quite absurd itself.
The issue is whether or not taking somebody underage with you can cause further legal troubles or how much trust can be put in an individual that is underage. You got to understand that teenagers make decisions using their emotional lobe more then their rational lobe, which can lead to ridiculous outcomes.
On the other hand, you're right that somebody responsible enough should never be a bother anyways regardless of the age difference.
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beenthere
Location: niagara
Gender: Male
| | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 86 on 8/5/2005 12:52 AM >
| | | | every situation is unique, but i am thankful for the older guys who included me when they went on an adventue of any kind weather it was an UE or a rock show and those good times and tense moments of hidding from security were some of the things that shaped who i am today. so it always comes down to using your own discretion on who you let come along with you but i am not against going somewhere with a guy who's a few years younger than you if he's your friend or your friends brother. but i do feel responsible for making shure that person makes it ok and is close to the same physical shape as everyone who's going.
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 87 on 8/5/2005 1:40 AM >
| | | | I stopped taking people under 18 for liability and security reasons unless I have permission from the owner of the property. I do not want to get caught with someone who is under age because that would mean I would get in hot water moreso than getting a regular "trespassing" fine and is something I do not want on my record.
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uair01
Location: Rotterdam.NL
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 88 on 8/5/2005 1:02 PM >
| | | | I have explored with my 8-9 year old son, but those were not difficult or dangerous places:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kazil/waalh99.html
"Not to look behind a door is an insult to the door, and the reality it is hiding." |
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HillbillyHorus
Location: Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 89 on 8/6/2005 12:35 AM >
| | | | Now that I think about it, I can see why majors wouldn't want to bring minors along. Besides the legal reasons, I can see how it would be annoying. I know some very mature nine year-olds, but they still can annoy the crap out of me, just because of their age. I probably wouldn't want to bring a six year-old with me, no matter how smart, or fast, or mature.
Besides that, as has been stated many times here, cops don't care whether the person you're with is mature or not. If you're 18 and are caught trespassing with a 16-year old, the cops don't care, they will still fine your @$$.
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Greg
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
How is this even 'exploration'? It's a loving house you've already been in you weirdo!
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<Reply # 90 on 8/6/2005 5:58 AM >
| | | | For me, the legal age of being charge for a criminal offence on your own, or going to jail for your own actions in that state or province is my age limit, so incase anything happens, its there own fault for getting caught, and I myself don't get charged for that person's own stupidity. However, I don't take idiots with me, or anybody who will do anything noteworthy for the police to notice. But its a safety rule, incase the person ends up being somebody who ends up being a dummy.
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Frontier Phyciatrist
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
Do you smell that?... Napalm, son. I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
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<Reply # 91 on 8/10/2005 4:20 PM >
| | | | All this legal shit (plus the unbelievable attitude towards kids on the part of some of the posters) is why I, being 15, just go UE'ing with other people my age.
| I think it's rather odd that you would want to alienate people based on their age from exploring. Obviously, you've got questions of maturity involved here, but this is a hobbie that's chosen by the individual that does it so whether he is mature or not is out of the question. |
Kudos to Boons for pointing this out. I can think of several instances right off the top of my head where people under 18 should be left out, or not be allowed to participate, but with something such as urban exploration, the choice should be completely individual. Even though I am a minor, I too have to judge the maturity of people that are exploring with me, because if they are running around with no regard for there own safety, it comprimises everyone elses safety, plus increases the chances of us being caught. I don't understand what invisible line is crossed when you turn 18: are you suddenly more mature or aware? Are you more wise or carefull then you were a day before. No, so although your legal standards have changed completely, for something where your maturity and ability to recognize the dangers is more important then your legality, nothing has changed.
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Chuck
Location: Chicago
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 92 on 8/10/2005 5:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by Frontier Phyciatrist
All this legal shit (plus the unbelievable attitude towards kids on the part of some of the posters) is why I, being 15, just go UE'ing with other people my age.
Kudos to Boons for pointing this out. I can think of several instances right off the top of my head where people under 18 should be left out, or not be allowed to participate, but with something such as urban exploration, the choice should be completely individual. Even though I am a minor, I too have to judge the maturity of people that are exploring with me, because if they are running around with no regard for there own safety, it comprimises everyone elses safety, plus increases the chances of us being caught. I don't understand what invisible line is crossed when you turn 18: are you suddenly more mature or aware? Are you more wise or carefull then you were a day before. No, so although your legal standards have changed completely, for something where your maturity and ability to recognize the dangers is more important then your legality, nothing has changed.
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You guys are still missing the point! Maturity is great and all, but the authorities don't have a maturity test to see were you stand in society! They do have a law called "contributing to the delinquency of a minor". So if I'm with a 16 year old and we get caught trespassing I am screwed. It's plain and simple.
Chuck
Sometimes if you want to see a change for the better, you have to take things into your own hands. - Clint Eastwood |
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Frontier Phyciatrist
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
Do you smell that?... Napalm, son. I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
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<Reply # 93 on 8/10/2005 6:40 PM >
| | | | Which is why, as I said, I go UE'ing with other people my age.
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Axle
Location: Milton, ON
Gender: Male
Sieg oder Tod
| | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 94 on 8/10/2005 8:30 PM >
| | | | If people came along with me on a UE mission, I would want to make sure that they were all in age of majority (no offence to anyone 17 and under) this is simply to cover my own butt in case we're caught. But if said 18+ year old proved that they weren't mature enough to do it properly, then they wouldn't be invited along.
Celer at Audax
Para la Victoria Siempre Alemanes! |
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Drie
Rat-Hole Chic
Location: Hudson Valley NY
Gender: Female
bringing it back.
| | | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 95 on 8/12/2005 1:45 AM >
| | | | Vegas from bmc got freakin parole getting caught with a minor at halcyon years ago. no minors for me.
Drie - www.synestheticlight.com
"In the absence of the living, there still exists a life." |
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Finn
Location: Plano, TX
Gender: Male
| | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 96 on 8/14/2005 9:53 AM >
| | | | First, thanks for kicking that troll's ass, AV.
Second, the only minor (or miner when we go underground) I explore with is my 15 year old sister. I used to worry about the "endangering a minor" bullshit, but now I've got legal guardianship for her (along with my mom. It's so I can play parents with teachers and whatnot). So, now my risk has greatly gone down. Unless...we get caught. So I still only take her to sites I've been to before. Everyone else in our team is over 18, so I haven't figured out what I would do if one of my sister's friends wanted to come along. I suppose it depends on the kid.
Rest in Peace, Ninjalicious. I know that wherever you are, you're finding the best sites for us already. |
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Tomalom
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 97 on 8/17/2005 8:10 PM >
| | | | Im 17, one kid i go with is also 17, but my other friend comes who happens to be 18. Recently he mentioned something about me being 18 soon and how ill get "contrib. to the del. of min." for going with my other 17 y/o friend. It kind of opened my eyes to how much he puts his balls on the line even coming with us.
But I had a question. He is 18, but we are both 17. Would he really get "Contributing..." even though he is not the one driving/planning the explorations? Hes just basically along for the ride. (he doesn't even have his driver's licence... lol) Makes me curious to see how that would play out in a court of law... (not that I ever actually want to have to fight with that 
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Seldom
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Female
| | Re: Age Limits
<Reply # 98 on 8/19/2005 6:37 PM >
| | | | I was 12 or 13 when I learned that my fascination for abadoned places had a name and that other people were interested in it. But I also learned why it wasn't a good idea to go with adults because it put them at greater risk, and maybe I was worrying too much for a kid, but I didn't want to be responsible for getting someone in trouble. And now that I am of legal age, I wouldn't go exploring with a minor if there was any chance I could get in extra trouble for it. I think people of all ages should enjoy UE but not when there are preventable hazards involved.
So it you're a minor and your UE buddies won't take you to that really awesome site because you're too young, just wait it out. Your time will come.
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Louie
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<Reply # 99 on 8/20/2005 4:36 AM >
| | | | You guys keep saying "Oh, well if we get caught..."
Frankly, unless you're doing hardcore stuff, there's little chance of getting caught.
I've explored solo, in pairs, in big groups... I've never been caught. And I've only ever met one person who has been caught.
louie
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