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 Mark
      
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 20 on 6/11/2005 12:25 AM >
|  | | | Posted by specter
it also helps to have black camo if at night if your in the woods laying down on the stomach when it dark outside and it helps with being inside hiding in a closet when a guard opens the door with you being up at the opposite wall
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Obviously you havent spent a lot of time on research on the color black or searched for it at night. A dark blue is far better. This is because the eye can outline complete blackness more clearly. The dark blue looks far more like shadows, and has a range of contrast not seen in black. This contrast helps in varing levels of very low light, and plays hell on the eyes.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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SilentSearch
Location: Cowtown
Gender: Male
My rebellion against the santa cursor! HoHoHo
| | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 21 on 6/11/2005 12:29 AM >
| | | | Excellent ideas all around.
I try to dress in colors that are most prevalent for the area explored.
Green cammo would be good if there is a lot of foliage but not good if you are standing next to a grey concrete wall.
I would think that keeping close to the structure, staying in shadows, keeping a sharp eye out and listening close would keep the odds of discovery down. Remember that if you are silhouetted against a contrasting back ground (dark or light)and moving, that you are almost like a beacon. You ears can be a wonderful early warning system.
If the predominant color is concrete grey, then wear a grey long sleeve shirt and faded grey jeans.
If there is a lot of foliage, then cammo would work well.
Let your mode of dress fit the circumstances.
Just take your time, and move with purpose. Think about where you are at and how you would appear from all angles, especially those that an observer would be at.
Also, have a good cover story as to why you are there. I have even considered a clip board, hard hat, walkie talkie and ID badge on my shirt to look like a workman or contractor that's "supposed" to be there. If you look like you are supposed to be there, then chances are, everyone else will think so too and leave you alone.
Just my 2 cents worth.
SS
Official UE Safety officer and rescue specialist. |
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atomx
 
Location: Brighton, ON
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 22 on 6/11/2005 2:30 AM >
| | | | Posted by specter
it also helps to have black camo if at night if your in the woods laying down on the stomach when it dark outside and it helps with being inside hiding in a closet when a guard opens the door with you being up at the opposite wall
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If you're wearing the surrounding colour then at night, you're not going to stand out cause it's not like the green of camo will start glowing.
a. Sound.
Most noticeable during hours of darkness.
Caused by movement, equipment rattling, or talking.
Small noises may be dismissed as natural, but talking will not.
b. Movement.
Most noticeable during hours of daylight.
The human eye is attracted to movement.
Quick or jerky movement will be detected faster than slow movement.
c. Improper camouflage.
Shine.
Outline.
Contrast with the background.
d. Disturbance of wildlife.
Birds suddenly flying away.
Sudden stop of animal noises.
Animals being frightened.
e. Odors.
Cooking.
Smoking.
Soap and lotions.
Insect repellents.
As you can see there's much more to camo then clothing, but you should blend in not just become dark. If it's night out, you're dark too.
[last edit 6/11/2005 2:31 AM by atomx - edited 1 times]
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Richard Cook |
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Mr. BLAB
Gender: Female
| | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 23 on 6/11/2005 3:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by atomx
c. Improper camouflage.
Shine.
Outline.
Contrast with the background.
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Just because I can, I will outline the contrast and outline points further using Sphix the Stealthy Spy.
Observe when the stealthy spy is up against a well-lit brick wall wearing black:
Now watch as he magically changes clothes that conform with the background he is up against:
Here, no one can see the spy because he has conformed with his background:
However, he has made the classic mistake of not checking that he is invisible from all angles. Poor spy. Now he is dead. Or, in our case, being questioned by the authorities.
The moral to all of this? Use common sense when using camo. I know, the Splinter Cell examples are unrealistic (especially the brick wall ones), but they illustrate the point. Dress for the occasion, like not wearing all black during the day or all white at night. Don't just think about wearing the camo that will make you nearly invisible; think about what it'll look like if you ARE busted and you're decked out in whatever you're wearing. That's my three point five cents.
EDIT - I like Mark's dark blue statement. I'm going to take it to heart.
[last edit 6/11/2005 3:30 AM by Mr. BLAB - edited 1 times]
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PoT.
Location: Vancouver Area, BC
Gender: Male
What? I'm not supposed to be here?
| | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 24 on 6/11/2005 6:06 PM >
| | | | Wow. It sounded like it was going to get into the Monty Python "How Not To Be Seen" skit...
Cheers!
-PoT
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longhorns
Location: Central IL
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 6/13/2005 10:02 PM >
| | | | normal clothing during the day i think is the best option. If you are caught it can make your just looking around takeing pictures story much more believeable and save you more trouble. at night dark blues and blacks do actually work well and in my opinion are worth it.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 26 on 6/13/2005 10:10 PM >
|  | | | One thing people need to understand in regards to wearing camo to infiltrate a place is that some places you can't just be a casual guy taking pictures in the daytime. Riverview psyche here is the perfect example of it. As you come onto the property, there are big ass signs specifying "no photography", so being there with your "i'm a photography student" line is going to get you nowhere except off the property...
I've said it a million times. Every method has it's place, camo and stealth for some, bullshit and excuses for others. The key is assessing what is going to be the best method for each target you choose.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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smalltowngirl
Gender: Female
| | | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 27 on 6/13/2005 10:55 PM >
| | | | I think that it really depends on the situation. If you are going somewhere that is active, and people will more than likely see you, then you would look quite strange decked out in camo. That would be a place to dress in street clothes.
If you are going somewhere that is abandoned it would be smart to take a camera along (duh) for more than one reason. For taking photo's, of course, and for the excuse of just taking shots of the place. (if you were to get caught)
But I don't think that camo has to be what you are wearing. It could be how you act, acting like your not supposed to be there wouldn't be smart. Also your excuses, if you are going to make up stuff for why you are there, make sure they're relevant to the place. How you smell could be another one, I mean you don't want to smell so bad people can smell you from 20 feet away, but the same goes for smelling too clean. They have soaps and stuff that actually make you smell like dirt, so that you don't attract animals or people. And, yes, how you dress is a huge one.
I'm kind of knew to the stuff that ya'll do, but I hunt and I believe that hunting skills can pay off well in UE. I've only done drains, in daylight, in a community, with no one around so I have never had to use stealth or camo.
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Soggy
Gender: Male
| | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 28 on 7/2/2005 8:34 AM >
| | | | I'm new to this stuff as well. Today was my first sneak-around-in-bushes experience. I wore regular black clothes, my bigger problem was the whole sound thing. It's pretty hard to step in thick undergrowth without twigs crackling all the time, especially when you're making an effort to keep your flashlight off.
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Explorer Zero
| | | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 29 on 7/2/2005 1:07 PM >
| | | | Just a suggestion, his books are not for everyone but many of Tom Brown Jr books have valuable lessons on stealth and not being seen. Sometimes its not about camouflage. The Way of the Scout is a good one its not all wilderness and tracking, he infiltrates a chemical plant dumping in a NJ river and lives out on the street with the NY homeless.
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Radical_Ed
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Gender: Male
"You work your life away and what do they give? You're only killing yourself to live!"
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<Reply # 30 on 7/2/2005 3:26 PM >
| | | | I wear a mix of darks, earth tones, and woodland Realtree camo.The asylum I go to is frequently patrolled by the Philadelphia Police and has acres of woods and shrubs interspersed throughout. It also borders a state park. If I get spotted outside and can't get back into the buildings, I can follow the woods or creek to safety. The only worry is coming and going. Once inside, it's cake. The Police don't go inside the complex due to it's size and dilapidated state. The paid security is a joke though. One unarmed guard with a cell phone in a sh*tty RWD Chevy S-10 pick-up. Friends of mine visited the guard shack (24 foot trailer) with a pizza while others stole the Statewide Security magnets off the truck. It's ridiculous there.
"Are you happy now with all the choices you've made?" "Are there times in life when you know you should've stayed?"
"Will you compromise and then realize the price is too much to pay?" "Winners and losers... which one will you be today?"
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cookiesnporn
| | | | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 31 on 7/4/2005 6:26 AM >
| | | | for exploring at night, if its not too warm out, i'll wear my black/blue trench coat.i say balck/blue because it depends on te lighting. in flourescent light, it looks black, in sunlight, dark blue. in the shade, black. at night, darker blue, but still blue. anyways, it hs 5 silver buttons which i just cover with electrical tape. generally, i'll wear black underneath it, too, but it covers pretty much everything, so it doesnt matter all that much. although, it would be pretty damn suspicious if someone caught me in an abandonment wearing a trenchcoat.
This man has a headahce! GIVE HIM AN ENEMA!
Abandoned | Starting a revolution, exploring the forgotten. |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 32 on 7/4/2005 3:30 PM >
| | | | Yeah TB Jr has good stuff I transferred some of his info to one of the private boards.
Ohh yeah what Jester said.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Disgrace
Location: Saint John, New Brunswick
| | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 33 on 7/4/2005 10:56 PM >
| | | | Although I don't really use camouflage for UEing, when I was a kid I used to play night-time flashlight tag around a nicely wooded suburb, and I used to wear full-on camouflage for that. It was amazing how much of a psychological effect camo actually has. It does a lot more than you'd think. I'd had people flashing flashlights directly at me and not even notice me.
At one point, I recall, someone had caught a glimpse of me as I was moving from place to place, and gave chase. I just ended up laying down in the grass behind these tiny little bushes, maybe a foot and a half high, with four feet of space between them. I thought I was caught for sure, but the flashlight passed over me multiple times before the guy gave up searching and moved on.
So I wouldn't understimate the usefulness of the stuff, it plays tricks on the pattern-recognition part of the mind. I've just never really explored a place with live security before, so I haven't had a need to go to that extreme. Besides, if some security guy catches a glimpse of someone wandering around the premise in full camo, you can pretty much bet they're going to call the cops, and where you might have just gotten off with a stern warning, you could find yourself taking a pleasant ride in the back of squad car.
- TD
[last edit 7/4/2005 10:57 PM by Disgrace - edited 1 times]
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broadcastkid
Location: suburban minnesota
Gender: Male
| | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 34 on 7/18/2005 8:41 PM >
| | | | One year ago at boy scout camp a couple of us wanted to explore some of the building around the reservation, and a couple of camp counselers were walking around and we were wearing some camo and we jumped in some bushes and they never saw us. which was pretty sweet.
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Flyer
| | |  | | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 35 on 7/18/2005 9:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by cookiesnporn
although, it would be pretty damn suspicious if someone caught me in an abandonment wearing a trenchcoat.
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Say you're a big fan of The Matrix with a goofy grin. They'll dismiss you as harmless and maybe a bit nutty.
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Plytheman
Location: Lawrence, Massachusetts
Obey The Deer
| | | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 36 on 7/18/2005 9:13 PM >
| | | | I've just always worn dark green/black pants and my green carhart jacket or a black shirt and have been fine. All this advise is true, and helpful, I guess, but in most situations I've been in its been me vs rent-a-cops. All you really need to do is duck down behind a bush and stay quiet. Some things to keep in mind is how much light there is around. I've stood right up in plain view in the woods by a road at night and I guarantee no one saw me. Take notice of the woods next time you're driving at night, they're pitch black, especially if the road has street lights or other lighting. When hiding against the public and rent-a-cops, I'd say that staying quiet and still in the woods is more important than how you're dressed. Unless they're looking for you and are spotlighting the woods they wont see you. Plus, in just some jeans and a jacket its a lot less sketchy walking around public roads getting to the site or even if you DO get caught. I've been lying in tall grass while five or six feet up a hill security was parked doing his rounds at night and he was none the wiser. Point being, wearing camo can be an un-necessary risk depending on what kind of security you're up against, sometimes it really isn't worth it.
I think its more important to be all around stealthy, such as seeing them before they see you, not making noise, staying low and not breaking a horizon, etc. On that note, does anyone have any tips on moving quietly through the woods? Foot steps on dead leaves are such a give away...
I'm achin, I'm shakin, I'm breakin, Like Humans Do!!
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Flyer
| | | | | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 37 on 7/18/2005 9:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by Plytheman
I think its more important to be all around stealthy, such as seeing them before they see you, not making noise, staying low and not breaking a horizon, etc. On that note, does anyone have any tips on moving quietly through the woods? Foot steps on dead leaves are such a give away...
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If there's a breeze, move when the wind blows, since it should cover the noise of it a bit, what with the rustling leaves. Just move when there's sound and stop when there isn't I suppose.
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Plytheman
Location: Lawrence, Massachusetts
Obey The Deer
| | | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 38 on 7/20/2005 1:49 PM >
| | | | Thats true. I've heard something about how you transfer the weight on your foot as you step on the leaves, but I've never had much luck with it.
I'm achin, I'm shakin, I'm breakin, Like Humans Do!!
-Byrne |
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Indiana Jones
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
Gender: Male
| | Re: A thought about camouflage:
<Reply # 39 on 7/21/2005 2:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by Plytheman
Thats true. I've heard something about how you transfer the weight on your foot as you step on the leaves, but I've never had much luck with it.
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Two ways I've heard of and used are:
Toe to heel. No, not tip toe like in cartoons. You walk and put your toe down first and slowly bring the rest of your foot down in a smooth motion. I could be wrong, but I think this was a technique of the Indians.
The second, and better IMO, is to 'roll' your foot down. Say your stepping with your right foot. The first part of your foot to hit the ground should be the back/bottom right side of your heel. You then slowly and smoothly bring your weight down along the right side of your foot while bringing it to rest flat on the ground. It's a little hard to explain but it is effective and with some practice you can move pretty quickly like this without making hardly any sound.
If you are stepping on a bunch of dried leaves and twigs I don't think you could eliminate ALL sound, so I would agree with Flyer and listen for natural sounds and try to move at the same time as them.
[last edit 7/21/2005 2:30 PM by Indiana Jones - edited 1 times]
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