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 IIVQ
       
Location: La Sud-Est du cité majeur du North-Holland (Bijlmer), .NL
Gender: Male
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< on 5/10/2005 10:38 PM >
|  | | | I had one, or actually 2, ideas for uer.ca to earn a little cash (though not meant with that intent), both based on the fact that there's so much so good photography in the LDB.
Users could upload hi-res versions of their best photographs (with a max of 3 per gallery) to the LDB, which are just 1280x1024 versions of the actual photographs of max 800x600 as shown in the LDB. People wouldn't normally see those hi-res pics, but could click on "buy as BG" and "buy as poster" for any pic that has a hi-res version attached.
"Buy as bg" would cost one $1 US via paypal and would give you a hi-res version you can use as a background-image. The dollar is split between av and the copyright-holder of the image.
"Buy as poster" would be more expensive, but would send you to an online-poster-printing-agency (think zazzle) and the profit would again be split between av and the uploader.
Note that this does not prevent users to just ask the owner for a hi-res version and get it for free, but it provides an easy channel for users and uer.ca to make a little money and at the same time an easy channel for users to aquire some nice background images and posters of images.
If Av likes the idea, any picture which does not yet have a hi-res version attached would get a "request hi-res" button which then athematically asks the owner via pm to upload a hi-res version, if so, a pm goes to the requestor saying "a hi-res is available, you can order it now"...
Just an idea...
Tijmen
P.S. I got the idea because I want a poster of this image.
Posted by MapMan | 18/9/2005 19:25 | Hedy Lamarr made porn?
Posted by turbozutek | 20/9/2005 2:29 | Dude, educate us! |
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 1 on 5/10/2005 10:52 PM >
| | | | Hmm ... an interesting concept for sure. Thoughts, everyone?
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Jesus Jones
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Location: back in Belleville
Gender: Male
1973-2005
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 2 on 5/10/2005 11:03 PM >
|  | | | Wow.... Good concepts there. Im all for it.
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Yehoshua
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 3 on 5/10/2005 11:05 PM >
| | | | Since the odd time somebody might want one of "my" photos (Note quotation marks, nobody would ever actually want one of *mine*  ), I doubt the $0.50 is going to mean much...unless I'm getting a request every week or so...should be an option to just automatically have the full dollar go to UER upkeep costs...could even have it so that the money tallies up into a fund under your name towards getting that exalted "paying member" status ;)
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Our Justice.
Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada. |
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Servo
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 4 on 5/10/2005 11:09 PM >
| | | | Three things:
- You're going to need a much larger image than 1280x1024 to make a decent poster
- It had better be easy to opt back out of making in image available
- The legalities of profiting from the sale of places we're trespassing in needs to be investigated. I don't worry about it for myself but doing it on a large scale presents some issues.
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-MisfitStyle-
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 5 on 5/11/2005 1:32 AM >
| | | | Interesting.
I think there's a good idea in there, albeit with some semantics that need to be worked out. I like the idea of user content helping to financially support UER, though.
I think users would be extremely interested in helping promote their work for free, or a small free, and helping out UER at the same time.
Hmm.
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
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el nerdo
 
Chief UER Lackey
Gender: Male
What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 6 on 5/11/2005 1:34 AM >
| | | | I think this is a great idea, in principle... nice to see some creative thought.
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oCtAnE
Location: TORONTO, CANADA
Gender: Male
EXPLORER AT LARGE
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 7 on 5/11/2005 3:11 AM >
| | | | Got my vote. I'd buy posters of some images on UER.ca
-Octane
FUELED BY OCTANE. |
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lordpook
Gender: Male
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 8 on 5/11/2005 3:19 AM >
| | | | Good Lord Av, not only do you block access to people's pictures and hide them from the general public, but now you want to profit off your conned members! A true abomination! Mods gone mad in a world where nothing is sacred? Rabble, rabble, rabble! 
[last edit 5/11/2005 3:19 AM by lordpook - edited 1 times]
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manitou
Location: Mississauga/Toronto/Waterloo
Gender: Male
I was born with an inherent knowledge of every abandonment in the world!
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 9 on 5/11/2005 3:36 AM >
| | | | I think this is an excellent idea.
I'm not too sure that there would be too many legal issues with profiting from the sale of photographs taken while trespassing. As long as the proper name of the location isn't attached to the poster I see no reason for there to be any legal difficulties since some form of plausible deniability could be employed.
I would certainly be interested in contributing photos to this, as long as I knew that I could easily opt out at any time.
www.dkphotogroup.com
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DjMalign
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 10 on 5/11/2005 5:58 AM >
| | | | having pics of abandoned buildings for sale will come up because it is in a posted location in which somebody owns. If you sold pics of some shots in a factory and sold them in an art gallery without stating where the shot was taken then its a little easier to get away with. however you are searching galleries in specific cities with specific property titles on uer to find that photo that you would ant to buy. you'd have to get the owners to sign model releases for their property and since you weren't supposed to be there anyways......
I dunno. Sharing pics in the community is one thing but I see this possibly going bad.
I hate all of you |
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manitou
Location: Mississauga/Toronto/Waterloo
Gender: Male
I was born with an inherent knowledge of every abandonment in the world!
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 11 on 5/11/2005 7:17 AM >
| | | | The section in which these photos to be sold could be kept entirely separate from the LDB. These random photos would have no connection to the actual location.
www.dkphotogroup.com
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
| |  | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 12 on 5/11/2005 7:24 AM >
| | | | Perhaps certain images could be marked "available for full resolution (or higher anyway)". This could be determined by the original gallery creator. Input from the LDB's viewers could allow further pics to be added or subtracted.
I think that this would be a great way to donate; more like a church bake sale. That is to say that the gallery provider would "volunteer" to let their pics be available for full download. One dollar to the site. It would be too much of a hassle to bother "splitting the profits" . I'd feel funny taking a meager few bucks
from something I was willing to "share". And this is a free site.
Suggestion; All the galleries in the LDB remain as normal, but have a new box, checkable, which reads "recommend" for full download. Then the contributor sees that 8 out of his/her fifty pics have been chosen; he/she then loads the full res version at their discretion of course, and the gallery suddenly shows the "Available" full res versions.
If someone had a really spectacular gallery with many recommendations, the high res images could be rotated around if bandwidth is a concern.
I'm a dummy when it comes to "bandwidth" but UER has never restricted my uploads even if they were a 2 meg file, it just resized them so that the potentially hundreds of viewers wouldn't then soak up a bunch of bandwidth (is that a reasonable assumption av?).
I think this would be fun, and voluntary of course; who hasn't wanted the "high res version " of an image, if only to make a small print ? Or maybe an 8 by 10?
PM "dan the explorer. Can I have the full res? Sure".
In addition you'd be able to see peoples favorite photos, perhaps it could show ( Number of downloads) or some stat like that.
In the past there has been the discussion of "if everyone on here donated a quarter a month UER could be paid for twice over".
What a better way to raise money, a buck , or even 50 cents at a time!
If the storage is not a concern, perhaps instead of resizing the image and discarding it, the "offer image as download" could be checked and the image would be resized for public viewing, but also stored for download; this would be great as people all have different photographic tastes. In this case any photo could be downloaded, providing it met certain size/ compression/quality standards to make a proper enlargement.
How many locations are in the ldb? Around 2500? Let's assume that once a month, one half of the locations get one download (reasonable as it takes into account the fact that some locations are really bad, and some every shot is great). That equals 25 cents by 1250 locations (and I'm sure you'd have some downloading the whole location, but let's be conservative) That's 312 bucks a month, conservatively.
Now of course you'd have many people saying "I don't want to volunteer" but I want to still offer my image for sale; In this case, the same thing, Av gets the
quarter, or whatever is established and the creator gets the asking price. I don't think you'd find many "artistes" really bothering with this, so it's not too much of a concern.
Of course if there WAS an easy way to spit a paypal transaction than so be it, it might benefit us all; some people LOVE some pics that are total garbage;
Sorry for the lengthy post, but this seems like a great idea. Thanks IV my man.
'Dukes
[last edit 5/11/2005 7:41 AM by 'Dukes - edited 1 times]
I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
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MatC
Nobler Donor
Location: ENY
Gender: Male
Accepted everywhere
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 13 on 5/11/2005 1:33 PM >
| | | | I'm conflicted about this idea. Of course I want UER to thrive and to be well-funded, but there's something about adding a paid element to the site that strikes me as wrong. UER has always been about exploration, not about selling photos. And I agree with DjMalign -- sooner or later someone would get pissed about a site that was profiting from selling pics taken illegally inside his/her posted "No Trespassing" building.
Also, I agree with Dukes that it might be too complicated to try to split profits. Av would end up being an accountant trying to dole out tiny increments of money to forty different people. And what if someone doesn't have PayPal? etc.
I'm all for boosting Av's ability to run the site, but I think this plan has some kinks so far. Maybe some creative thought can be put into making it work, though?
-- Mat
"We shall not cease from exploration / And the end of all our exploring / Will be to arrive where we started / And know the place for the first time."
- T.S. Eliot, excerpt from "Little Gidding" |
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keti
Moderator
Location: Providence, RI
Gender: Female
#EA98DE
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 14 on 5/11/2005 1:37 PM >
| | | | very cool idea, but it sounds like a big headache
[23:38:31] <metawaffle> I'm surprised the NE forum doesn't fall off UER from the weight of thread locks
uer.ca is like / being in the mob / basically, a / ninja mob. - Aleksandar |
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 15 on 5/11/2005 2:05 PM >
| | | | Very good points so far.
Dukes, I like your idea, but there's a big problem.
Back when I first coded the LDB, I actually had it keeping the high-res files that were uploaded by some people on the server (they weren't made available). The reason I had it keep them was in case resizing was needed again in the future -- the High Res files would make a better choice.
But they ended up using something like 5gb of HD space alone, and that's with only 15,000 or so that we had at the time.
I just don't have the storage to keep high-res's available of everything. Plus, a lot of what you can find in the LDB is total crap, blurry photos of walls and stuff that nobody would ever pay for.
| The section in which these photos to be sold could be kept entirely separate from the LDB. These random photos would have no connection to the actual location. |
This would be the way to go. Place a button on the side that says "Photos for Sale" or somesuch. Members could upload high-res files and have them for sale.
There'd have to be some regulations: If you want money back, you'd have to accept PayPal as the payment method; UER won't be liable in case the money can't be transferred to you, blah blah blah.
We could have it that you set the price of the image, and then set how much UER gets of that price (minimum $1 to cover bandwidth costs) or something like that. If you wanted to, you could set it at say $3 and give UER 100% of the money.
Thoughts?
huskies - such fluff. |
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 16 on 5/11/2005 2:18 PM >
| | | | How about instead of using existing LDB for available photos we create a gallery where people can load photos they want to make available.
I don't really think everyone who's posted images to the site would be thrilled with us deciding to sell them - but a gallery section where members can make their images available to download seems more appetizing. Plus, with it separate from the lDB we could make it public without giving away any location ifnormation.
Of course, if someone has a picture in the LDB or elsewhere you would like to be made available you can always PM and ask them to add it to the gallery.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 17 on 5/11/2005 2:59 PM >
| | | | Wake up chainsaw, I and several others just posted that...
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 18 on 5/11/2005 3:15 PM >
| | | | zzzzz
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 19 on 5/11/2005 3:24 PM >
| | | | It "seems" like a good idea... I've got my own ideas against it, but I'd rather not post them. I'd just get flamed to hell, as usual. Go for it I suppose.
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
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