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 murena
  
Location: Nutmeg State
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 40 on 5/12/2005 8:58 PM >
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If it's a nice idea, it means it's worth doing. If it's a terrible idea, it means it's not worth doing. Make up your mind.
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A nice idea isn't always worth executing. Pick the correct word to dissect.
If this is what you'd like to turn your site into AV, a photo gallery for profit then by all means do it.
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Avatar-X
     
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 41 on 5/12/2005 9:31 PM >
| | | | First of all, adding an option to purchase posters on a website does not "turn it into a photo gallery for profit."
The driving force behind this idea is to allow people to have high-res images in poster or print form for their enjoyment. The suggestion is that UER receives a small amount of money for providing the service and hosting the files (For example, a 35" poster is $17.99 COST, so UER could charge $18.99 to handle all the details of setting it up for print and so on)
[as an aside, I think it's fucking ridiculous that people can't even suggest ideas on this site without jerks like miyuki pissing all over it and claiming it's the end of UER. Ever heard of CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM?]
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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keti
 
Moderator
Location: Providence, RI
Gender: Female
#EA98DE
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 42 on 5/12/2005 10:12 PM >
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it was a hypothetical question, accidents happen
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accidents happen, and so does saving space of your memory card.
When I know im going to shoot a ton of pictures, i drop down to 1 megapixel, sometimes even .3 if i only have a 16mb card on me.
so yeah, there's not going to be a high res version for every single photo (obviously especially not mine)
[23:38:31] <metawaffle> I'm surprised the NE forum doesn't fall off UER from the weight of thread locks
uer.ca is like / being in the mob / basically, a / ninja mob. - Aleksandar |
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IIVQ
Location: La Sud-Est du cité majeur du North-Holland (Bijlmer), .NL
Gender: Male
Back in Urbex!
| |  |  | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 43 on 5/12/2005 11:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by keti
accidents happen, and so does saving space of your memory card.
When I know im going to shoot a ton of pictures, i drop down to 1 megapixel, sometimes even .3 if i only have a 16mb card on me.
so yeah, there's not going to be a high res version for every single photo (obviously especially not mine)
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I am upgrading from 256 MB to 1G memory card 
Ow, and all money I'd make can go to UER.ca, except for the first buck. This is only to prove a friend of mine that I can earn money with my photography.
(I'd even pay someone to mail me an actual dollar bill for a photography  )
Tijmen
Posted by MapMan | 18/9/2005 19:25 | Hedy Lamarr made porn?
Posted by turbozutek | 20/9/2005 2:29 | Dude, educate us! |
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 44 on 5/13/2005 4:57 AM >
| | | | I think its an excellent idea if you can easily integrate it with Paypal. I surmise you can already do that with UER since you have it coordinated with your Donation box as well.
I would be willing to allow several of my prints for sale as 5x7 prints.
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kowalski
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 45 on 5/14/2005 4:31 AM >
| | | | I think setting up a photo flea market here on top of all the other useless junk is another bad idea that this site does not need. I know my photos are worth more than a pittance paid to me in dribs and drags by random strangers so they can stick them on their walls or fridges or glowing virtual desktops. If someone I actually knew wanted a physical copy of one of my photos and it made sense to me, I'd send them a high res file in a second, or would get the print made for them myself. But I can't imagine cheapening my photos by throwing them around anonymously to whoever would toss change into my tray. The photos, the places, the stories have magic. They aren't just knick-knacks to pass around like postcards or monet prints.
Having surveyed all the support for this idea as expressed in this thread, it seems that none of its supporters are actually people known around here for posting high-quality photography. I'm hardly surprised by this, but no one seems to be noticing it so I feel compelled to point this out. Until people who consistently take photos that might look good on desktops or large-format prints start clamouring for this UER photomart, I really suggest that this idea be shelved, forgotten and never returned to again. I'll still criticize it to high heaven then, but until great photographers actually come forward and say they want this thing, criticizing it on its merits seems almost beside the point.
Thank you.
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 46 on 5/14/2005 4:36 AM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
Having surveyed all the support for this idea as expressed in this thread, it seems that none of its supporters are actually people known around here for posting high-quality photography.
Thank you.
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I like the idea; just because it's fun.
My photos suck? maybe some do, but documenting =documenting, not artsy shit.
I don't recall a single photo of yours, and you probably have never seen mine, but the point is that it's a fun concept. Exploring photos happen by accident.
I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
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kowalski
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 47 on 5/14/2005 4:45 AM >
| | | | I like the idea; just because it's fun.
My photos suck? maybe some do, but documenting =documenting, not artsy shit.
I don't recall a single photo of yours, and you probably have never seen mine, but the point is that it's a fun concept. Exploring photos happen by accident.
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Actually, I went and looked at the photos of basically everyone who had said positive things in this thread. And yes, documenting as a fast, unconcerned approach to urban exploration photography is very different from attempting to be artistic or to capture light as it exists or to otherwise represent the beauty of a location.
But exactly who wants to pay money for a high-resolution version of some badly-angled and clumsily-framed shot of a desk or wall or hallway illuminated by the internal flash of someone's point-and-shoot? Or a brutally flat and again, badly composed, exterior photo of a location that undoubtedly looked beautiful in person and could have looked that way in the photo had it been prepared carefully and patiently by someone with an eye for such things?
The idea is only fun if you're on here because you're chronically bored and you don't take photos with any significant degree of seriousness or art.
[last edit 5/14/2005 4:45 AM by kowalski - edited 1 times]
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 48 on 5/14/2005 5:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
Actually, I went and looked at the photos of basically everyone who had said positive things in this thread.
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Just because I don't post them here doesn't mean I don't take good photos. I can't speak for anyone else, but your attitude is kind of insulting.
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 49 on 5/14/2005 5:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
Having surveyed all the support for this idea as expressed in this thread, it seems that none of its supporters are actually people known around here for posting high-quality photography. I'm hardly surprised by this, but no one seems to be noticing it so I feel compelled to point this out. Until people who consistently take photos that might look good on desktops or large-format prints start clamouring for this UER photomart, I really suggest that this idea be shelved, forgotten and never returned to again. I'll still criticize it to high heaven then, but until great photographers actually come forward and say they want this thing, criticizing it on its merits seems almost beside the point.
Thank you.
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I beg to differ on your opinion. Approximately half of my photos are cheap shots because its convenient and I had a warrant to document the place before its demise. When I have sufficient time, I take careful considerations to get the lighting aspects correct when I take a photo. Fostoria Glass Company in WV is an excellent example of this.
It is also not a "flea market" by any means -- only certain images I surmise would be chosen for publication -- certain ones set by the original photographer.
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 50 on 5/14/2005 5:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
Actually, I went and looked at the photos of basically everyone who had said positive things in this thread. And yes, documenting as a fast, unconcerned approach to urban exploration photography is very different from attempting to be artistic or to capture light as it exists or to otherwise represent the beauty of a location.
But exactly who wants to pay money for a high-resolution version of some badly-angled and clumsily-framed shot of a desk or wall or hallway illuminated by the internal flash of someone's point-and-shoot? Or a brutally flat and again, badly composed, exterior photo of a location that undoubtedly looked beautiful in person and could have looked that way in the photo had it been prepared carefully and patiently by someone with an eye for such things?
The idea is only fun if you're on here because you're chronically bored and you don't take photos with any significant degree of seriousness or art.
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I don't expect anyone to want any "documentation style " photos. But some will. And I don't blame them. A little flash never killed anyone.
Once again, I've never seen you put anything worth a shit up here. i've been into photography since before you were crapping your diapers.
The "accidental" good shot is what people will want.. And that is what they will get.
Agent Skelly took a great shot with a throwaway Kodak, and another with ten dollar walmart cam. Point . Click.
Turned out great.
I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
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kowalski
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 51 on 5/14/2005 5:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
I beg to differ on your opinion. Approximately half of my photos are cheap shots because its convenient and I had a warrant to document the place before its demise. When I have sufficient time, I take careful considerations to get the lighting aspects correct when I take a photo. Fostoria Glass Company in WV is an excellent example of this.
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Sorry Seicer, you do have some nice photos there, though you do need to work on your composition.
Posted by Dukes
Once again, I've never seen you put anything worth a shit up here. |
Then you haven't been paying much attention. I don't post to the database, but I do post new photos in the Photography forum from time to time. If you cared to, you could easily run a search for all posts by me in that forum.
[last edit 5/14/2005 5:29 AM by kowalski - edited 1 times]
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 52 on 5/14/2005 5:33 AM >
| | | | You mean the "showboating thread" where all the run of the mill long exposure pics go? I guess I missed it.
At any rate, I think the interaction is a fun concept.
If UER was pure UE then it would be as much fun as watching paint dry.
I think it's a good idea.
I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
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oCtAnE
Location: TORONTO, CANADA
Gender: Male
EXPLORER AT LARGE
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 53 on 5/14/2005 2:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by ofberenonehand
I can't speak for anyone else, but your attitude is kind of insulting.
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I second that. I went and peeked at galleries of people who posted positive in this thread, and there was a LOT of great images.
Kowalski, I think you rated those pictures using your own perfectionist methods. However, there is no such thing as total perfection. These people did the best they could with the technology they had, and came away with some great images.
So what if they don't live up to everyone's standards? The images were put there for people to see what that explorer experienced at a particular location. The LDB is not a "perfect shot, blue ribbon" type of repository.
And just so you know.....not all of your pics are the cat's meow either. Everyone has their fair share of good pics and bad pics. Sometimes the occasional bad pic is better than nothing at all.
-Octane
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kowalski
| | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 54 on 5/14/2005 4:00 PM >
| | | | | Just because I don't post them here doesn't mean I don't take good photos. I can't speak for anyone else, but your attitude is kind of insulting. |
| So what if they don't live up to everyone's standards? The images were put there for people to see what that explorer experienced at a particular location. The LDB is not a "perfect shot, blue ribbon" type of repository. |
You guys seem to have forgotten that this whole thread is about selling high-res photos for desktops and posters. I'm evaluating the photos that you have *posted* based on that end-use, not on whether they document the location well or whatever, and yeah, I'm not coming up impressed, sorry.
And if you don't think I'm better placed than you to evaluate the quality of photography that you're posting, well, you really don't understand. I'm not knocking your photographic contributions to this site, I'm pointing out that almost all of the people speak favourably of this idea don't, in my opinion, have desktop or poster-worthy photographs posted to this site. As I said to Dukes, documenting a location with photographs is really quite different than taking creative photographs that actually capture the beauty of being there.
When some people who take beautiful photographs rather than just utilitarian ones come in here and say they think this feature is a good idea, then we can deal with the issues surrounding the idea. Until then, I don't think anyone is going to be clamouring to purchase a Dukes or Octane image, so anything else is really beside the central point - which is that this is a feature that no one with photographic credibility actually wants.
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Frost
Location: K.Dot
Gender: Male
No beer makes Frosty go..something something..(Taz: Crrazzy?)..Dont mind if I doo!
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 55 on 5/14/2005 4:14 PM >
| | | | This almost sounds like some snobbish art war, which is rather pathetic. NO ONE in this world has any right to define what art is or what may be appealing to others.
What I may create as the perfect piece of art in my eyes, may be a piece of shit in someone else's eyes, BUT that in no way defines that it is a bad piece of art just because some anal shit things it sucks.
Now I'm not saying that anyone and everyone can take a good photo, by all means no, because I have seen some terribly boring and horrible photos. But people really, art is in the eye of the beholder. All this snobby attitude is rather pathetic really. I can't stand people that walk around talking about "proper" art and all this fucking pull it out of your ass bullshit that they spew. Any art, is art, it may not be art to you, but it's art, to the person that did it and I'm sure to a select number of people as well. The point is, there is no TRUE definition to what "art" is or can be and anyone that thinks otherwise deserves to have that pickle up their ass, and my fist in their face.
Fucking ignorant, anal retentive snobs. Get over yourself.
Why is marijuana not legal? Why is marijuana not legal? Its a natural plant that grows in the dirt. You know what's not natural, 80 year old dudes with hardons. Thats not natural, but we got pills for that. We're dedicating all our resources to keeping the old guys erect but we're puttin people in jail for smoking something that grows in the dirt. |
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 56 on 5/14/2005 4:29 PM >
|  | | | Posted by kowalski
Sorry Seicer, you do have some nice photos there, though you do need to work on your composition.
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I am differing on that. I sometimes skew my shots to the side to give it an interesting viewpoint. It's boring if every photo was taken at 90-degree angles and level with the ground. The cafes I post them too really enjoy my unique aspect on photography, and the people that buy them also enjoy them as well. They should, as they pay $30 for a print and a frame...
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 57 on 5/14/2005 4:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
You guys seem to have forgotten that this whole thread is about selling high-res photos for desktops and posters. I'm evaluating the photos that you have *posted* based on that end-use, not on whether they document the location well or whatever, and yeah, I'm not coming up impressed, sorry.
And if you don't think I'm better placed than you to evaluate the quality of photography that you're posting, well, you really don't understand. I'm not knocking your photographic contributions to this site, I'm pointing out that almost all of the people speak favourably of this idea don't, in my opinion, have desktop or poster-worthy photographs posted to this site. As I said to Dukes, documenting a location with photographs is really quite different than taking creative photographs that actually capture the beauty of being there.
When some people who take beautiful photographs rather than just utilitarian ones come in here and say they think this feature is a good idea, then we can deal with the issues surrounding the idea. Until then, I don't think anyone is going to be clamouring to purchase a Dukes or Octane image, so anything else is really beside the central point - which is that this is a feature that no one with photographic credibility actually wants.
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And selling posters is not a viable idea. The majority of the photos on here were taken with digital cameras that are not capable of poster size without reducing PPI to very low ranges. I stick with 5x7 prints for the most part because it works great with a double mat and a frame and showcases the image perfectly IMO. As for desktops, most digital images should be fine. No reason for it to stretch from corner to corner -- what happened to a fine background color to supplement the image?
I'm pretty sure that you have went in and viewed all 2,000 images on my sites and hard drives. I have only posted a fraction to UER and a slightly bigger fraction to my web-site Abandoned. Just because you clicked through on a few images and came to a "solid" conclusion does not mean you can make the general statement that the people who agree with the original poster is a "poor" photographer.
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 58 on 5/14/2005 4:32 PM >
| | | | I think it's up to the person paying for the photo to decide if they are willing to pay for a poster or print, and I think it's up to the person who took the photo if they are willing to sell a print.
It doesn't matter whether or not the photo in question is "good" or not.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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oCtAnE
Location: TORONTO, CANADA
Gender: Male
EXPLORER AT LARGE
| | | Re: UER.ca sells out! (well, maybe, just a proposal)
<Reply # 59 on 5/14/2005 4:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by Frost
NO ONE in this world has any right to define what art is or what may be appealing to others.
What I may create as the perfect piece of art in my eyes, may be a piece of shit in someone else's eyes, BUT that in no way defines that it is a bad piece of art just because some anal shit things it sucks.
Art is in the eye of the beholder. |
Exactly. Well said, Frost.
-Octane
FUELED BY OCTANE. |
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