Posted by Aran It's my personal opinion that bringing weapons while exploring is a bit like using a hammer. When it's all you've got, every problem starts to look like a nail.
There are very many situations in urbex where you could use that particular hammer, and very, very few where it would actually be a wise idea.
If you really have a lot of nails to hit, why fuck around?
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
Just chiming in to agree that putting distance between you and an aggressive person is the best defence.
Not long ago I had a guy pull a knife on me and threaten to stab me while I was out for a walk. I backed well away from him and prepared to run if he came at me.
It won't make you feel like a tuff guy action hero, but you won't get stabbed either so it's a win in my books.
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Re: Best form of protection and peace of mind? <Reply # 44 on 3/7/2019 3:05 PM >
Posted by Big Poppa Just chiming in to agree that putting distance between you and an aggressive person is the best defence.
Not long ago I had a guy pull a knife on me and threaten to stab me while I was out for a walk. I backed well away from him and prepared to run if he came at me.
It won't make you feel like a tuff guy action hero, but you won't get stabbed either so it's a win in my books.
At 15 feet or closer you were already too close.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
I've always read/heard that an average build person can clear 7 yards (about 21 feet) in 1.5 seconds. I'd agree; that's way too close...even if you're able to defend it, you're most likely gonna end up cut.
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Re: Best form of protection and peace of mind? <Reply # 46 on 3/7/2019 4:15 PM >
I've always read/heard that an average build person can clear 7 yards (about 21 feet) in 1.5 seconds. I'd agree; that's way too close...even if you're able to defend it, you're most likely gonna end up cut.
I can... It's too close for many to draw a weapon and use it in time to stop a knife strike. In 8 seconds or so I can cover 50 yards from a dead start. As soon as they are reaching for it you need to be in a jog ready to sprint at least... or fight.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
I can... It's too close for many to draw a weapon and use it in time to stop a knife strike. In 8 seconds or so I can cover 50 yards from a dead start. As soon as they are reaching for it you need to be in a jog ready to sprint at least... or fight.
That's impressive; I guess I should amend 'youre' with 'most people'. Personally I choose GTFO as a first defense; I don't have the reflexes or the training. I used to have a boss who was ex-military (army, as I recall) who used to say, "Never pull a blade on someone unless you're confident that you can digest it." In exploring, my little pocketknife is a tool, as I'm sure it would cause all kinds of intestinal havoc for me. I have a CCW, but don't carry my piece exploring because a) don't want to lose my permit if I'm caught, and b) the obvious issues involved in having to use it, and explain why, while engaging in (possible, if not probable) trespassing. I guess I've been lucky; what few confrontations I've had have ended well, and my gut's pretty good about getting me out before fighting is the only option.
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Re: Best form of protection and peace of mind? <Reply # 48 on 3/7/2019 5:28 PM >
That's impressive; I guess I should amend 'youre' with 'most people'. Personally I choose GTFO as a first defense; I don't have the reflexes or the training. I used to have a boss who was ex-military (army, as I recall) who used to say, "Never pull a blade on someone unless you're confident that you can digest it." In exploring, my little pocketknife is a tool, as I'm sure it would cause all kinds of intestinal havoc for me. I have a CCW, but don't carry my piece exploring because a) don't want to lose my permit if I'm caught, and b) the obvious issues involved in having to use it, and explain why, while engaging in (possible, if not probable) trespassing. I guess I've been lucky; what few confrontations I've had have ended well, and my gut's pretty good about getting me out before fighting is the only option.
Rule #1, people are trouble. Best to hear, see or smell them -first- and observe. That should be in the back of your mind at all time. Stealth is the best weapon. Secure the site then stay alert, make it a habit to scan periodically for people. Minimize your time in open and exposed areas. Keep your noise level to a minimum. Cigs are easy to smell even a block downwind. Take your time; you spot people easier from a good vantage point and by staying still. People tend to be noisy and many times that's how I know they are there; investigate noises discretely.
Most times people you run across are harmless but sometimes not. Any vandals or scrappers I spot, get tagged... a stone cold pleasure. Ghost hunters, if they don't spot me I try to give them what they want & Avoid areas or times when you feel there will be people trouble... Predawning a site many times will give you easier entry and at least a couple hours of daylight to splore in peace. And that is well worth the trouble.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
Rule #1, people are trouble. Best to hear, see or smell them -first- and observe. That should be in the back of your mind at all time. Stealth is the best weapon. Secure the site then stay alert, make it a habit to scan periodically for people. Minimize your time in open and exposed areas. Keep your noise level to a minimum. Cigs are easy to smell even a block downwind. Take your time; you spot people easier from a good vantage point and by staying still. People tend to be noisy and many times that's how I know they are there; investigate noises discretely.
Most times people you run across are harmless but sometimes not. Any vandals or scrappers I spot, get tagged... a stone cold pleasure. Ghost hunters, if they don't spot me I try to give them what they want & Avoid areas or times when you feel there will be people trouble... Predawning a site many times will give you easier entry and at least a couple hours of daylight to splore in peace. And that is well worth the trouble.
Absolutely true, every word! At least it's worked for me so far. 😉
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Re: Best form of protection and peace of mind? <Reply # 51 on 3/7/2019 5:50 PM >
And it's just a ten minute build up of a couple guys saying "bruh super scary/holy shit bro/ what the fuck" over and over until they startle a pigeon, followed by thirty seconds of shaky footage and incoherent yelling, finally ending with a "like and subscribe for more scary exploration vids!"
[last edit 3/7/2019 6:56 PM by Aran - edited 2 times] "Sorry, I didn't know I'm not supposed to be here," he said, knowing full well he wasn't supposed to be there.
And it's just a ten minute build up of a couple guys saying "bruh super scary/holy shit bro/ what the fuck" over and over until they startle a pigeon, followed by thirty seconds of shaky footage and incoherent yelling, finally ending with a "like and subscribe for more scary exploration vids!"
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This is how lethal a knife can be. Notice how fast it happens. Two armed officers and one was nearly stabbed to death even though they mortally wounded the perp. Time index 3:50 in the vid:
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
A confrontation should be your absolute last method of defense. Even pepper spray won't stop someone in a substance-fueled rage. Better off investing in a good pair of shoes and remaining vigilant about escape options as you move through a location.
I have a CCW, but don't carry my piece exploring because a) don't want to lose my permit if I'm caught, and b) the obvious issues involved in having to use it, and explain why, while engaging in (possible, if not probable) trespassing. I guess I've been lucky; what few confrontations I've had have ended well, and my gut's pretty good about getting me out before fighting is the only option.
FYI - I believe you can lose your permit whether your carrying at the time you're caught or not (might be state specific - worth looking up.)
FYI - I believe you can lose your permit whether your carrying at the time you're caught or not (might be state specific - worth looking up.)
Iowa -
If you get convicted of a felony, you're permanently disqualified from owning any firearms.
If you're convicted of a misdemeanor, you're illegible to have a carry permit for 3 years.
Note that in Iowa, it's a "permit to carry weapons", not a "concealed carry permit". You have the option to carry your weapon open or concealed with the same permit. The permit also allows you to carry non-firearm weapons like a switchblade knife, blackjack, kubaton, etc..
The permits are issued by your county sheriff and some sheriffs are douchebags about permits. Iowa is now a "shall issue" state and it's much better than it used to be. They still require training, but the class can be taken online. If you have a DD-214, that's all you need to prove training.
When Iowa was a "may issue" state, it was ridiculous. Some sheriffs said: "sure, no problem" [Iowa County], others said: "no" to everyone [Johnson County], others required "campaign contributions" (pay him a bribe) {Marion County}, others had ridiculous* training requirements [Polk, Dallas, Guthrie Counties}.
* by "ridiculous training", they only accepted a certificate from one instructor in the entire state. His class was 12 hours long, was limited to 10 people and was only given 4 times a year.
If you get convicted of a felony, you're permanently disqualified from owning any firearms.
Oklahoma is the most recent state to pass "constitutional carry" which mean in essence any bubba with a pistol can carry it in public without a permit. I have not seen all the rules yet but its a growing trend.
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