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| | | Re: Koran burning leads to death < Reply # 120 on 4/7/2011 2:07 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by splumer Blame him? No, I don't blame him, but to say he bears NO responsibility isn't true either. I look at it as a shouting fire in a crowded theater situation.
| That isn't really accurate. The person who shouts fire in a crowded theater exposes others to the direct threat of physical harm. People reacting to the perceived threat may panic and harm others in their haste to escape harm themselves. Their intentions are likely not malicious and the damage inflicted not intentional, only motivated by a very real desire to survive. Here we have a clear, reasonable line of blame back to the person that started the chain of events that can safely exclude the persons that physically caused the damage from responsibility. Person "A" started the panic by lying about a physically threatening situation Persons "B" through "M" responded by attempting to prevent their own deaths Person "N" died as a result of their actions Person "A" is responsable What happened in this case is Person "A" committed an offensive, but basically harmless act Person "B" told his friends about it some time later Persons "C" through "M" became offended and decided to exact revenge for the offence on people that reminded them of person "A" Person "N" died as a result of their actions Persons "C" through "N" are responsible The questions are-Is there an immediate threat? Are the actions a reasonable response to that threat? Was the damage a direct result of an attempt to protect themselves from the threat? In the movie theater example used most often-yes, yes, and yes. In the case of the UN worker deaths-no, no, and no.
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| | | Re: Koran burning leads to death < Reply # 124 on 4/7/2011 12:17 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by DevilC You're still misdirecting, stop it. The shouting fire in a theater anology is faulty. The question aught be: Why does the Islamic faith allow such barbaric violence? Why is this tolerated? If one makes funny cartoons mocking Jesus or Moses, Xtians and Jews don't run around rioting and beheading people. Make fun of Buddha and ... where are the riots in China? Come on people, this is insanity.
| Islam doesn't support it. The people who did this are radicals. Do Christians support the killing of abortion doctors? No, but there are people who claim to do it for god. Al Qaeda is not representative of Islam just like westboro baptist isn't for Christians, to assume so is narrow minded. How many Muslims have rioted here, in Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, saudi arabi, etc etc. If Islam supported such behavior wouldn't there be widespread rioting instead of a couple of isolated incidents?
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| DevilC
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| | | | Re: Koran burning leads to death < Reply # 129 on 4/7/2011 12:56 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Research FAIL. Stick to pr0n. 20 dead in response to events 1/2 a world away? No big deal? Who is the bigot kid? It ain't me. Spend several minutes looking ... you'll come up with riots and vitriol the Islamic world over. “Enraged over the burning of a Koran in Florida … Muslims have murdered about 20 people in Afghanistan and five in Pakistan—none of whom ever burned a Koran or had any acquaintance with the men who did.” Nigeria: "Muslim mob storms three Christian villages, murders at least two people over alleged Qur'an desecration." http://allafrica.c.../201104040856.html Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby The riots have only happened in two afghani cities. There is a difference between protest and riot. Perhaps you should get more educated before you keep posting moronic bullshit. http://www.msnbc.m..._and_central_asia/
| Because you have a flawed world view and a sadly naaive concept of one of the Islamic faith. That's cool though. You are in good company. Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby And everything you had said makes you look like a bigot.
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| DevilC
Location: Washington, District of Corruption Gender: Male Total Likes: 202 likes
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| | | | Re: Koran burning leads to death < Reply # 133 on 4/7/2011 1:29 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | 1 - Yes it is. 2 - Yes you do. 3 - Yes you are ... and you cannot formulate logical arguments, see fallacy when it slaps you in the face, nor adhere to basic premises of rational convesation. But again, this is the intern3t - you are in good company kid. You say that a pastor in Florida burning a Koran provokes MANY murders in Afghanistan/Pakistan, Africa, and Indonesia ... is akin to saying that a woman wearing working the streets in Miama Florida (dressed provocatively in an UN-Islamic fashion) provokes dozens of rapes in Afghanistan ... and she should feel remorse. It is normal to react to offensive behavior with anger. It is not normal to react to offensive behavior with violence, especially mass violence toward people who have no relation to the person who offended you. That is only normal behavior to sociopaths, and “they were asking for it” is an enabling lie that only benefits said sociopaths. Stop enabling a culture of psychopaths. Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby The article from Africa is unrelated to this event. I don't have a flawed view of the world. I'm just not a hateful bigot that hates people of different religions.
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| | | Re: Koran burning leads to death < Reply # 134 on 4/7/2011 1:42 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by DevilC 1 - Yes it is. 2 - Yes you do. 3 - Yes you are ... and you cannot formulate logical arguments, see fallacy when it slaps you in the face, nor adhere to basic premises of rational convesation. But again, this is the intern3t - you are in good company kid. You say that a pastor in Florida burning a Koran provokes MANY murders in Afghanistan/Pakistan, Africa, and Indonesia ... is akin to saying that a woman wearing working the streets in Miama Florida (dressed provocatively in an UN-Islamic fashion) provokes dozens of rapes in Afghanistan ... and she should feel remorse. It is normal to react to offensive behavior with anger. It is not normal to react to offensive behavior with violence, especially mass violence toward people who have no relation to the person who offended you. That is only normal behavior to sociopaths, and “they were asking for it” is an enabling lie that only benefits said sociopaths. Stop enabling a culture of psychopaths.
| The fuck are you talking about? seriously can you stick to one topic? i pointed that a guy burning teh holy book of a faith is wrong, and is responsible for what happened. what happened is horrible, i never said it wasnt. The man did this to attack and degrade the entire islamic faith. you make you own assumptions about what i am saying and you are very far off. the guy in FL knew what would happen if he did, yet he carried on. there is a chance that if you shoot someone in the head with a gun they won't die, but it is very likely they will die. doctors and surgeons tell me if i shoot someone in teh head they will die. I shoot them any way, and they die. Its not my fault they died right? or i have a match and i'm standing next to someone covered in gas. i light the match and throw it on them. i was just trying to get rid of the gas not teh person, yet they burned to death. again not my fault, right? thats how your logic is working right? the people on 9/11 just attacked new york city and DC, so why is the rest of the nation in a war? why did we go at all? they were just making a point right? even though they knew folks would die, its not their fault they died.
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