Posted by splumer I'm just repeating what I read an imam said. I haven't been able to find the citation. When I do, I'll post it. IIRC, the artist did receive death threats. But that's irrelevant.

Yet is still alive...........................




And a cartoonist that dared portray mohammad is dead......................

Posted by Mr_Fiend Are you 7 years old or something? Do you not know how to stay on topic?

Are you really as stupid as you act? Do you know how to not stereotype people? Or does jesus want you to hate everyone?

C'mon be fair. It's not 100% off topic.

You are saying that the Koran condones violence. He is just pointing out the same instances in the Bible(Which is the Koran's biggest contender). You just don't agree with him. There is a distinction.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby Are you really as stupid as you act? Do you know how to not stereotype people? Or does jesus want you to hate everyone?

Its amazing how those who are so quick to defend Islam are equally quick to slam Christianity, due to some absurd assumption everybody who disagrees with you is some Bible thumping evangelist.

Posted by maypost C'mon be fair. It's not 100% off topic. You are saying that the Koran condones violence. He is just pointing out the same instances in the Bible(Which is the Koran's biggest contender). You just don't agree with him. There is a distinction.

I agree with that.

Will either of you agree there is a big difference between what a book says and what its followers actually do?


Also, you people all seem to think this is some sort of crusade, where its Christendom vs Islam. Hate to break it to you, it is Western culture, thought, and civilization vs Islam.

Posted by Soldat Its amazing how those who are so quick to defend Islam are equally quick to slam Christianity, due to some absurd assumption everybody who disagrees with you is some Bible thumping evangelist.

To be fair, I always make a point to not attack any religion as a whole, br it Christianity, Islam, or any of the millions of other(and just as valid) beliefs.

Posted by Soldat Its amazing how those who are so quick to defend Islam are equally quick to slam Christianity, due to some absurd assumption everybody who disagrees with you is some Bible thumping evangelist.

my jesus line was sarcasm. have you not read anything i have ever posted defending christians? go on look. then come back.

Posted by Soldat Will either of you agree there is a big difference between what a book says and what its followers actually do?

the radicals do not follow the Quran. Lets assume there 200,000,000 radicals, there is still another 1,000,000,000 followers who do follow it.

just like christians. Is westboro baptist an accurate representation of christianity?

Posted by Soldat I agree with that. Will either of you agree there is a big difference between what a book says and what its followers actually do? Also, you people all seem to think this is some sort of crusade, where its Christendom vs Islam. Hate to break it to you, it is Western culture, thought, and civilization vs Islam.

Yes, I will agree to that. Anyone who acts out in violence should answer to it. The only issue I have is when this is portrayed as Islam as a whole. It's not. This is a representation of maybe .01% of the World's Islamic population. So saying it's the world(or western culture and thought) against Islam is simply not true and quite frankly a mis-informed and ignorant statement. It could be said it is the western world against the lunatic minority of Islamic radicals.

Posted by jeepdave Yet is still alive... And a cartoonist that dared portray mohammad is dead...

Dave you know we are friends, but I have to call you out. The guy,Kurt Westergaard, is still alive.

Posted by maypost To be fair, I always make a point to not attack any religion as a whole.

I do.
i'll attack with zest, zeal and a maniacal grin on my face.

i'm sick of both camps... like there is such a big choice.
Muslims- believe in allah... OR WE'LL FUCKING KILL YOU
Christians- believe in god... or ELSE! (christians are too lazy to riot or break shit... it's hard to get a good riot on thumpin a bible)


but still, they're both nuts

Posted by maypost Calm down, now. I don't remember speaking about the KKK. I have my views on this and you have yours.

That was directed at MonkeyPunch. He compared a well documented and factual site with a KKK site because he doesn't like that it says.

Posted by maypost Carpet bombing my have been poetic speech in my part, true. However, if you do think we are not killing civilians out there an a very grand scale, then I am forced to believe that you have been brain washed by whatever branch of the military you have decided to join. But I also don't expect you to agree with me, and that's ok too.

Do we kill civilians? Yes. Have we killed lots of civilians? Yes. Do we kill civilians on purpose? No. Are soldiers investigated every time a civilians is shot? Yes. Have we killed the majority of civilians? No.

Do our enemies kill civilians? Yes. Have they killed the majority of civilians? Yes. Do they kill civilians on purpose? Yes, often.

Posted by maypost You obviously like the United States decision in regard to teh Middle East much more than I do.

I really doubt much more. Iraq was a giant waste, Lybia is a giant waste. Afghanistan is the one I agree with, and it could have been much better if we didn't shift focus to the fiasco that was Iraq.

Remember, I am the one who has to go and get shot at. I'm not thrilled I have to go to the asshole of the world to do it either.

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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby the radicals do not follow the Quran. Lets assume there 200,000,000 radicals, there is still another 1,000,000,000 followers who do follow it. just like christians. Is westboro baptist an accurate representation of christianity?

No, but how large is that church? Like 50 people strong or something from one inbred family. Also, yeah, they are giant douches but really what do they do? Yell a whole lot and piss people off.

If muslim extremists were happy to protest and yell when things make them mad I dont think people would have a problem. But they dont, they blow shit up and murder people on a daily basis.

Posted by Samurai I do. i'll attack with zest, zeal and a maniacal grin on my face. i'm sick of both camps... like there is such a big choice. Muslims- believe in allah... OR WE'LL FUCKING KILL YOU Christians- believe in god... or ELSE! (christians are too lazy to riot or break shit... it's hard to get a good riot on thumpin a bible) but still, they're both nuts

Ah, but you are an exception. I can honestly say that you treat all faiths with equal regard. So you are pretty even handed and I can respect that.

Posted by Soldat No, but how large is that church? Like 50 people strong or something from one inbred family. Also, yeah, they are giant douches but really what do they do? Yell a whole lot and piss people off. If muslim extremists were happy to protest and yell when things make them mad I dont think people would have a problem. But they dont, they blow shit up and murder people on a daily basis.

muslim extremist are extremist, meaning they dont do anything with any sort of rationale. the other 90+% of the muslim community has just protested and not killed anyone or hurt anyone.

They are a small church with few members that are known nationwide. just like this guy and his dove ministries are now known.

the real bad guy is the media. if they had ignored this instead of giving him any attention, this wouldn't had spread as bad. but also if he had not done it, it wouldn't have happened.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby Dave you know we are friends, but I have to call you out. The guy,Kurt Westergaard, is still alive.

He is? Then I retract my example. I thought he had been killed. Whoops!

Posted by jeepdave He is? Then I retract my example. I thought he had been killed. Whoops!

There have been several attempts made on his life. But he is still around and kicking.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby the real bad guy is the media. if they had ignored this instead of giving him any attention, this wouldn't had spread as bad. but also if he had not done it, it wouldn't have happened.

Yeah, they would be killing for a different outrage.

Posted by Soldat Do we kill civilians? Yes. Have we killed lots of civilians? Yes. Do we kill civilians on purpose? No. Are soldiers investigated every time a civilians is shot? Yes. Have we killed the majority of civilians? No. Do our enemies kill civilians? Yes. Have they killed the majority of civilians? Yes. Do they kill civilians on purpose? Yes, often.

So, if China invaded and occupied the U.S., what would you do? Maybe you wouldn't start being really nasty on day one, but what if China had been fucking with your country's internal sovereignty for over 60 years already, and you had been raised in abject poverty because of the political games that other countries were playing out by fucking with your existence?

It is not Islam that is the problem. Islam is used as a tool to manipulate people, just like Christianity is a tool to manipulate people. Christianity is twisted for atrocities all over the world every day. In the past, Christianity has been used to commit far greater atrocities than Islam has had a chance to get around to (and during that time, Islam was advancing math, science and literature).

I will say that, President Obama - to his credit - went on to declare, after denouncing the Quran burning, that to kill innocent people in response is "...outrageous and an offense to human decency and dignity ..."
It's a bleak commentary on the prevailing political atmosphere that Obama's public recognition of the atrocities committed by those rampaging soldiers of Islam should seem noteworthy.

Eh?

Said the same thing about the danger to American troops when Newsweek published a false report in 05, that US interrogators had flushed a Koran down the toilet
That set off days of rioting, looting, raping and bloodshed in Afghanistan and elsewhere ...

Remember that?

When discussing this and not making no mention of the perpetrators (or true motivations!) of the current massacres ... you're going down a dangerous rabbit hole.
It's a familiar rabbit hole called appeasement ... one whose certain outcome is familiar.

Displays of cringing deference to the murderous mobs on the streets of Afghanistan won't strengthen the American mission.
They will encourage the jihaddis.
Days of rage like that count as victories ...
We are showing them that the threat of terrorism continues to work.
Don't hurt us, we'll shut up.
Toss out the 1st Amendment ... just don't hurt us.

Posted by MutantMandias So, if China invaded and occupied the U.S., what would you do? Maybe you wouldn't start being really nasty on day one, but what if China had been fucking with your country's internal sovereignty for over 60 years already, and you had been raised in abject poverty because of the political games that other countries were playing out by fucking with your existence?

Tell you what I wouldn't do, murder people because a dude burned my book halfway across the Earth, blow up a market full of people, or saw peoples heads of while they are still alive.

Posted by MutantMandias It is not Islam that is the problem. Islam is used as a tool to manipulate people, just like Christianity is a tool to manipulate people. Christianity is twisted for atrocities all over the world every day. In the past, Christianity has been used to commit far greater atrocities than Islam has had a chance to get around to (and during that time, Islam was advancing math, science and literature).

Gimme a break on the Christians were violent 1000 years ago crap like it applies at all to today. I don't live in 1100 AD so forgive me if I don't give a shit how people acted back then. I live in now, and now radical Islam behaves in a hugely violent and backwards fashion, as does the entire middle east.

Also, btw, the Crusades were instigated by Muslim conquests of Christan lands in the Byzantine Empire. Just so you know.