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UER Forum > US: Northeast > New York State Hospitals Under Increased Security *Please Read* (Viewed 2565 times)
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< Reply # 20 on 12/20/2017 12:16 AM >
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Damn! I was just doing research on these & planning a trip. Was the motion detector camouflaged or the like?




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< Reply # 21 on 12/20/2017 2:09 AM >
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Damn! I was just doing research on these & planning a trip. Was the motion detector camouflaged or the like?



Not camouflaged. But not exactly obvious either. The trail cam was right on the side of the building neat the POE, those are kind of difficult to hide.
The motion detector was above the unlocked door, we did not notice it until we were leaving, after we waited out the cops.
It was quite small, not something you would notice unless you were specifically looking for it. I assume it sent out a cell signal to the local police.

If you plan on doing any of the NY hospitals or asylums I would keep a eye out for such devices and if you see any don't stick around the property for to long. I am not sure how long it took the first cop to show up, but likely under a hour.
It should be noted that this building did not have power, so the detector had to have been battery powered.




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< Reply # 22 on 12/26/2017 11:59 PM >
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This time of year, ten years ago we went to have a Christmas Party in 93 with about 30 people.

Park Police were on us like a cheap suit. We ended up locking ourselves in a room on the 10th floor. The cops tried the door and couldn't get it open and they eventually left.

We went in and out through the steam tunnels. IDK there's so much garbage in that room where you come up out of the elevator shaft that they could have easily hid a motion sensor in there.

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10 years ago would put it around 2007 or so. I dont remember when the facility was transferred over to be a NYS park, but for awhile they had OMH Police. Maybe those are the guys who came in after you? Although I know the NYS Park Police do not enter the buildings as they are not permitted to unless it is a serious emergency. I even had an officer i was talking to once, tell me that.




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The best tactics for avoiding these motion sensors are to figure out what areas of the building or property does not have them, so they can be avoided. Perhaps one could even set it off, and figure out the response time so they could figure out a plan of action.
State hospitals are great because most of them have tunnels that exit elsewhere, or lots of places to hide..





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My wife and I were caught at Hudson River Psych but the officer just took down our info and said not to come back. He was nice enough to give us a ride back to our car which was parked at Home Depot. They too have installed motion detectors and have a small dispatch office at the base of the hill that is routinely swaps out officers. The officer had said that the property is under new ownership and the new owner installed the security measures. No one even walks their dogs or jogs though there anymore without getting escorted away. The good part is it was my third time there over the years so we were just finishing up photos of stuff we had missed previously.




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My wife and I were caught at Hudson River Psych but the officer just took down our info and said not to come back. He was nice enough to give us a ride back to our car which was parked at Home Depot. They too have installed motion detectors and have a small dispatch office at the base of the hill that is routinely swaps out officers. The officer had said that the property is under new ownership and the new owner installed the security measures. No one even walks their dogs or jogs though there anymore without getting escorted away. The good part is it was my third time there over the years so we were just finishing up photos of stuff we had missed previously.


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10 years ago would put it around 2007 or so. I dont remember when the facility was transferred over to be a NYS park, but for awhile they had OMH Police. Maybe those are the guys who came in after you? Although I know the NYS Park Police do not enter the buildings as they are not permitted to unless it is a serious emergency. I even had an officer i was talking to once, tell me that.


Most important. COPS LIE. They're allowed to do that in order make arrests. Just because a cop says they're not allowed to do something, does not make it true.

At the time we were there in 2007, BOTH the Park Police and OMH Police showed up. Later that week, the local news (channel 12?) had a crew ride along with the Park Police at KPPC and the did show that Park Police were checking the buildings with a night vision scope.

I went back to 93 on Christmas Day, during the day and got the evil eye from Park Police that was driving around. On my way out there was another Park Police car and an OMH Police car over by 7.




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My wife and I were caught at Hudson River Psych but the officer just took down our info and said not to come back. He was nice enough to give us a ride back to our car which was parked at Home Depot. They too have installed motion detectors and have a small dispatch office at the base of the hill that is routinely swaps out officers. The officer had said that the property is under new ownership and the new owner installed the security measures. No one even walks their dogs or jogs though there anymore without getting escorted away. The good part is it was my third time there over the years so we were just finishing up photos of stuff we had missed previously.


Makes sense. A friend of mine and his girlfriend were out there a few weekends ago. It was early morning, barely light out, they were just coming out of the woods towards the buildings when they heard a voice yell "Get the fuck out now!"
They did not see who it was, but it was coming from near the closest building. Needless to say they didn't stick around to find out who it was.




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Interesting.

Did you get a pic of the sensor by chance? Im curious to see it.

We were just over on the east coast back in August hitting stuff up from Philly through Boston including a bunch of hospitals and didnt have any run ins. We didnt do much outside of NYC in terms of NY but still.




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Interesting.

Did you get a pic of the sensor by chance? Im curious to see it.

We were just over on the east coast back in August hitting stuff up from Philly through Boston including a bunch of hospitals and didnt have any run ins. We didnt do much outside of NYC in terms of NY but still.




Unfortunately no. Once we saw it we knew what was going on and got out asap.

It was quite small, I'd say no more than 3-4" in all dimensions. White with a small black "window" on the front. I would say it was half the size of the typical detectors you would see wired into a home security system.

It almost certainly sends out a signal via cell phone signal.

I install remote car starters for a living and there is a module that can start your car from a cell phone, that piece is smaller than this motion detector was. So the technology is definitely available for not to much money.




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Unfortunately no. Once we saw it we knew what was going on and got out asap.

It was quite small, I'd say no more than 3-4" in all dimensions. White with a small black "window" on the front. I would say it was half the size of the typical detectors you would see wired into a home security system.

It almost certainly sends out a signal via cell phone signal.

I install remote car starters for a living and there is a module that can start your car from a cell phone, that piece is smaller than this motion detector was. So the technology is definitely available for not to much money.


The bad part is they can easily relocate the devices. And hide them.
Only their RF emissions after being tripped give them away... hmmmm




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I wonder how long this is going to last. And how many facilities have them. With the amount of surplus building space owned by the state I can't imagine they're at all of them. But who knows. They definitely cracked down on the state hospital closest to me right before it was sold a few months back. And they've been doing the same at Kings Park, though the approach there is different. Regardless, there are still plenty of good former state facilities in private hands to visit while seeing how the state proceeds.




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This is good information to have. I have hopes of hitting some of the sites in NY this spring, so I'll have to get some updated info.




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The bad part is they can easily relocate the devices. And hide them.
Only their RF emissions after being tripped give them away... hmmmm


Are you aware of any device that can detect these types of motion detectors?

For example, many automatic doors and proximity alarms give off a X or K radar band. My radar detector picks these up from time to time. Any such device to detect if these type of motion detectors are in the immediate area?




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I wonder how long this is going to last. And how many facilities have them. With the amount of surplus building space owned by the state I can't imagine they're at all of them. But who knows. They definitely cracked down on the state hospital closest to me right before it was sold a few months back. And they've been doing the same at Kings Park, though the approach there is different. Regardless, there are still plenty of good former state facilities in private hands to visit while seeing how the state proceeds.



Probably will last as long as it is cost feasible for them to do so. At least three complexes currently have them that I am aware of, so I'm sure there are more.

Of course these can really only be used in buildings that are pretty well sealed up. A wide open building allows all sort of birds and other wildlife to enter freely and the false alarms would be frequent.







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This is good information to have. I have hopes of hitting some of the sites in NY this spring, so I'll have to get some updated info.


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Are you aware of any device that can detect these types of motion detectors?

For example, many automatic doors and proximity alarms give off a X or K radar band. My radar detector picks these up from time to time. Any such device to detect if these type of motion detectors are in the immediate area?




First step is to ID the device and it's frequency range/protocol and capabilities/weaknesses.
If it generates RF it can be detected and perhaps jammed.
If it doesn't send out periodic check in signals there are more options to deal with it.
If they're are responding quickly this is a very bad sign in its self; they are willing to invest the manpower needed. In time they may slack off as it's costly to maintain at that level of vigilance. Too many trips with no arrests may have a similar effect.

Depending on the sensor and/or cam type, a laser pointer of the right wavelength(s) might be able to trip or blind the vid fed. Monochromatic sensors are the easiest to blind by laser.
If someone is willing to do the research and play with the gators there possibilities.

However if the reason these are being installed is to stop arson and scrappers, interfering with them may be as self defeating as it is illegal.
Much of the damage at Pennhurst was a result of a prolonged repeated attacks on its alarm infrastructure. In 1986 it was intact, by 1996-2004 or so gone (can't recall the exact year the copper steam return pipe scrapers were busted), and by 2008 Pennhurst was completely trashed beyond practical reuse by scrappers, arsonists and vandals.
I -do not- advocate destroying any alarm infrastructure at a complex.



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This place:

http://www.uer.ca/...ow.asp?locid=27246

Had motion sensors that would trip off a rather loud siren, but the police would not respond to the alarm.

I went there once after learning about the siren and disconnected it. On my way out, thete was no response to the alarm I could see. I ran a few errands and went back after a few hours. The siren was reconnected.





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Damn this is a bummer to find out. I was hoping to revisit a favourite place of mine that I hadn't been too in years and now im not sure it's worth the drive. Apparently a chunk of the campus was finally sold off to be turned into a large data center, so I'm sure security is tightened around it now anyway, but shame to hear the hospitals are facing a rise in security measures.




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Damn this is a bummer to find out. I was hoping to revisit a favourite place of mine that I hadn't been too in years and now im not sure it's worth the drive. Apparently a chunk of the campus was finally sold off to be turned into a large data center, so I'm sure security is tightened around it now anyway, but shame to hear the hospitals are facing a rise in security measures.


If you are talking about RPH, it's being demoed.




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Damn, they're not just rehabbing and recycling the buildings eh? How far along is the process?




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