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msb
Location: Sykesville, MD Gender: Male Total Likes: 0 likes
| | | | | Re: Sinar F1 < Reply # 8 on 1/6/2009 2:25 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Funny this thread popped up, I just did a similar thing. As much as I would absolutely love an arca-swiss 6x9, it was just a bit too expensive for my liking. I have been watching them on ebay the past few months, and they all go for at least $2000. Tack a $800 wide angle to that, and a few accessories, and you are up to quite a bit of money. I picked up a Chamonix 4x5 with universal bellows for a tad over $600 and and a Sironar-N 150mm for a few hundred more. The 150 is definitely not as wide as I would like, but it seems to be very sharp, and has ample coverage. The camera is awesome; it weighs 3lbs, seems to have all the movements I could possibly need for UE, and packs down to almost nothing. It is a hell of a lot easier to carry than a full monorail. My biggest problem with LF is the sheet film; it is a pain to develop, and film holders get really heavy, fast. I seldom print, so the additional neg area is pretty marginal. I decided to buy 6x9 roll film back, and that seems to be an excellent trade off of convenience for data (and it is cheap). The only thing that sucks, is that 47mm, 55mm, 58mm LF lenses tend to be expensive, and have very restricted movements on 4x5.
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| yokes
Location: Toronto Gender: Male Total Likes: 596 likes
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| | | | | Re: Sinar F1 < Reply # 11 on 1/8/2009 1:41 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Missed this post... A number of people have recommended a Chamonix to me. Seems like a good body. Know anyone else selling them for that price? Why is sheet film more of a pain to develop? Posted by msb I picked up a Chamonix 4x5 with universal bellows for a tad over $600 and and a Sironar-N 150mm for a few hundred more. The 150 is definitely not as wide as I would like, but it seems to be very sharp, and has ample coverage. The camera is awesome; it weighs 3lbs, seems to have all the movements I could possibly need for UE, and packs down to almost nothing. It is a hell of a lot easier to carry than a full monorail. My biggest problem with LF is the sheet film; it is a pain to develop, and film holders get really heavy, fast. I seldom print, so the additional neg area is pretty marginal. I decided to buy 6x9 roll film back, and that seems to be an excellent trade off of convenience for data (and it is cheap). The only thing that sucks, is that 47mm, 55mm, 58mm LF lenses tend to be expensive, and have very restricted movements on 4x5.
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| yokes
Location: Toronto Gender: Male Total Likes: 596 likes
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| | | | | Re: Sinar F1 < Reply # 12 on 1/8/2009 1:45 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by mortimer Yokes, did your digi garage sale net you enough money for Horseman or Linhof? Press cameras will give you the 4x5 film size with rangefinder focusing (even easier than slr focusing). The Linhof Tech 3s can be had for under a grand if you shop around and have some patience, and the lens quality is second to none. The ground glass is still there when you need it/want it, and coupled with a really good loupe and dark cloth you'll find the glass isn't quite so hard to see through. Anyways, 4x5 rangefinders = sex in my books. Food for thought (the rangefinder part, not the sex part).
| I've got somewhere around $1000-$1100CDN to play with. Unfortunately, it won't get me the lens I want (which is around $1600), but I could put together a decent monorail system (not as ideal as a field camera for portability). I'd be fine with a press camera, but they are typically limited on the wider angle. Also, I don't think Vistek has lens boards for them for their LF lens rental stock (which I'm basing a camera brand purchase around). I think they stock boards for monorails by Horseman, Linhof, Toyo, Cambo/Calumet and Sinar, and Toyo field cameras.
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| mortimer
Location: teronno Gender: Neither Total Likes: 3 likes
| | | | Re: Sinar F1 < Reply # 13 on 1/8/2009 3:14 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I would never suggest getting a Graflex press camera, if that's what you were thinking of - they have all the inconveniences of 4x5 with very few of the benefits. The Linhofs are not really press cameras, just press camera style. With version IV and newer, you can go as wide as a 75mm with no real issues other than dropping the bed. Of course, for a IV and a 75mm, your budget would be blown and then some, so just keep them in mind for future if you keep shooting large format - the benefits of a field camera with a rangefinder can't really be oversold (and if I had the $, I'd be shooting one myself). Next time you're out in Etobicoke, International Camera usually has a few bargain-ish wide angles and sometimes have Linhof bodies as well. Re: sheet film being more of a pain to develop: mostly if you're developing your own. If you're not, it's not more of a pain, just really expensive. msb, are those Chamonix cameras much different from a Shen Hao?
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