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Urban Downfall
Location: Montréal - Qc Gender: Male Total Likes: 539 likes
| | | Re: Lock Picking? < Reply # 4 on 3/28/2023 10:14 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Shaddo Yes, it can be useful but takes some practice. Keep in mind that if you get caught carrying lockpick tools, or in the act of lockpicking, the penalties will be more severe. I wouldn't use them unless I had no other option, really wanted to get into a place and there wasn't much security to worry about.
| I would add that in most states, owning lock pick tools is only considered a crime if you use them illegally. In other words, the courts must show that you had intent to commit a crime. Getting caught with picks or a screwdriver is the same. You can have a screwdriver in your car or on you but if you're caught trespassing with it, it will be seen as a B&E tool, same as the picks. Simple possession of lock picks is completely legal, as the statutes only prohibit the possession of lock picks or the activity of lock picking when there is a malicious intent. While most states have published statutes regarding lock pick tools, some states have written no laws on the subject, and so possession is not illegal. A few states take a "guilty until proven innocent" stance when it comes to owning a lock pick set. Owning a lock pick set is trickier in Nevada, Ohio, and Virginia. These states consider ownership of a lock pick set "prima facie evidence."
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| Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1902 likes
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| | | Re: Lock Picking? < Reply # 11 on 3/30/2023 2:33 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Radio2600
Class A Misdemeanor in NY. https://www.nycour...Law/140/140-35.pdf They have to prove intent, but unless you have some legit purpose for having them, lock picks will almost always get you arrested.
| New York doesn't fuck around. i ran into something like this a few years ago... one of my close friends is part of a family that did towing. As a result, they were a contractor for AAA. I was helping Josh out by doing a lockout call (I used to moonlight at a towing company/salvage yard in Tennessee) as they were swamped with actual tow calls. So i had the kit in my car, but no signage as to who I was representing, or shirt... nothing. Just some chubby dickhead in a black Chevy Cobalt. So i went and did the job (and let me say getting into a Ford 500 was a pain in the nuts) and was on my way back when I got stopped by the New York state trooperpoopers. I had the kit on the front seat. I tried to explain to the cop why I had it and what I was doing, but this junior nazi wasn't having it and the situation was escalating into a fucking screaming match- i'm not a car thief! I damn near got arrested. Luckily, the second trooper that showed up while I was stopped knew me, knew my friends and knew what I was doing so it diffused the situation totally. As a confirmation, the second trooper called the guy who owned the company to confirm that yes, a fat guy in a black Chevy Cobalt was a duly authorized representative of XYZ Towing and had just completed a lock-out on the Northway... lol. And that was just a vehicle entry kit.. imagine getting caught with a B&E kit on your person? No thanks.
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| The Demon Crab
Location: Massachusetts Gender: Male Total Likes: 39 likes
| | | Re: Lock Picking? < Reply # 12 on 3/30/2023 4:19 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I can't pick a lock for the life of me, but have found a few work-arounds that can get me through a locked door without causing any damage. One that has proved quite useful to me is a relatively simple trick you can do with a piece of copper wire (or anything long, thin and flexible). It only works if the door isn't locked with a deadbolt and you're on the side of the door that opens out. You start by bending the copper wire into a sharp U shape. Try to keep it as flat as possible. Once that's done, slip the wire into the crack between the door and wall and try to hook it around the thing that moves when you turn the doorknob. I think it's called a latch bolt. From there, grip both ends of the wire with one hand and the doorknob with the other. Pull on the doorknob, then the wire. If all goes well, this will push the latch bolt out of the door frame for a fraction of a second. It's important to pull on the doorknob so you can open the door before the latch bolt gets pushed back into place. This doesn't work every time. I'm not sure why it works on some doors but not others, but it's very quick and convenient when it works. There's another trick I've used to get around padlocks without damaging the lock. I have personally found it useful for getting through roof access hatches. Padlocked doors are typically held shut by two metal loops that are directly next to each other when the door is closed. One is fastened to the door and one is fastened to the door frame or wall. The padlock goes through these two loops and holds the door shut. However, there is a fatal flaw in this system. Locks are only secure to what the shackle loops through, which means that if you remove one of the two latches that hold the door shut, the padlock will become ineffective. All you need to do is remove the screws or bolts that hold the latch to the surface it's on. On your way out, replace the screws or bolts and the door will be exactly as you found it. This only works if the latches are held in place with something that can freely be removed and replaced, like screws. If the latch is held in place with rivets or is welded into place, you won't be able to get through without drilling through them and causing permanent damage. If the door you are trying to get through has a handle instead of a knob and a decently sized gap between the door and floor, an under the door tool is your friend. They're long, J shaped pieces of metal with loops on the end that can be slipped under a door and hooked around the handle on the other side. Fire code dictates that no door can be locked from both sides apart from in places like prisons, so the opposite side of the door should be unlocked. All you need to do is loop the tool around the handle on the opposite side of the door and pull it down. Keep in mind that under the door tools are large and hard to hide. You can't just put it in a pocket or backpack, you'd have to carry it in your hand. Being caught with one is the same as being caught with a lockpick. You can buy an under the door tool online, but you can also make one yourself with a wire hanger and a cable. I suggest you buy one because the DIY ones are very hard to use and take forever. There are tons of ways around locked doors that don't require lockpicking or damage. Get creative with it. I once left a post-it that said "please keep unlocked" on a door to my campus' utility attic and it worked.
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| mookster
Location: Oxford, UK Gender: Male Total Likes: 2377 likes
| | | Re: Lock Picking? < Reply # 14 on 3/31/2023 5:07 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by The Demon Crab I can't pick a lock for the life of me, but have found a few work-arounds that can get me through a locked door without causing any damage. One that has proved quite useful to me is a relatively simple trick you can do with a piece of copper wire (or anything long, thin and flexible). It only works if the door isn't locked with a deadbolt and you're on the side of the door that opens out. You start by bending the copper wire into a sharp U shape. Try to keep it as flat as possible. Once that's done, slip the wire into the crack between the door and wall and try to hook it around the thing that moves when you turn the doorknob. I think it's called a latch bolt. From there, grip both ends of the wire with one hand and the doorknob with the other. Pull on the doorknob, then the wire. If all goes well, this will push the latch bolt out of the door frame for a fraction of a second. It's important to pull on the doorknob so you can open the door before the latch bolt gets pushed back into place. This doesn't work every time. I'm not sure why it works on some doors but not others, but it's very quick and convenient when it works. There's another trick I've used to get around padlocks without damaging the lock. I have personally found it useful for getting through roof access hatches. Padlocked doors are typically held shut by two metal loops that are directly next to each other when the door is closed. One is fastened to the door and one is fastened to the door frame or wall. The padlock goes through these two loops and holds the door shut. However, there is a fatal flaw in this system. Locks are only secure to what the shackle loops through, which means that if you remove one of the two latches that hold the door shut, the padlock will become ineffective. All you need to do is remove the screws or bolts that hold the latch to the surface it's on. On your way out, replace the screws or bolts and the door will be exactly as you found it. This only works if the latches are held in place with something that can freely be removed and replaced, like screws. If the latch is held in place with rivets or is welded into place, you won't be able to get through without drilling through them and causing permanent damage. If the door you are trying to get through has a handle instead of a knob and a decently sized gap between the door and floor, an under the door tool is your friend. They're long, J shaped pieces of metal with loops on the end that can be slipped under a door and hooked around the handle on the other side. Fire code dictates that no door can be locked from both sides apart from in places like prisons, so the opposite side of the door should be unlocked. All you need to do is loop the tool around the handle on the opposite side of the door and pull it down. Keep in mind that under the door tools are large and hard to hide. You can't just put it in a pocket or backpack, you'd have to carry it in your hand. Being caught with one is the same as being caught with a lockpick. You can buy an under the door tool online, but you can also make one yourself with a wire hanger and a cable. I suggest you buy one because the DIY ones are very hard to use and take forever. There are tons of ways around locked doors that don't require lockpicking or damage. Get creative with it. I once left a post-it that said "please keep unlocked" on a door to my campus' utility attic and it worked.
| Another good work around I've found which - generally - leaves no trace but can risk damage if you get it wrong, works on what I guess you'd call lever latch style locks which you find on older doors (maybe not so much in the States but here in the UK they're pretty common). You can, with a carefully placed shoulder strike in the area of the keyhole or lock, 'bump' the lever on the inside of the door off it's latching point, which opens the door, leaving (99% of the time) no damage as you can simply secure the door behind you again when you leave. It works particularly well on things like Welsh chapels which are more often than not secured with those sort of old lever latch locks.
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