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telefontubbie
Location: Latvia, Riga Gender: Female Total Likes: 158 likes
"No Trespassing" - It's an invitation!
| | | "on sexism in urbex" < on 7/16/2014 10:22 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Stumbled upon this blog post about sexism in urbex - how the media reflects male and female explorers. the blog : http://valeriamsou...n-sexism-in-urbex/ HA!!! i bet many female explorers can relate to this. Like, how annoying it is when fellow explorers on forums / photography sites are mistaken you as a male if you're not having a nickname that surely points that you're a female. Being the only female explorer among other guys just in case to make them look less "criminal". Well, i can only partly agree on the "epic rooftopping photo" comparison. I've seen dozens of photos where female explorers looks like "hey, i'm having the bestest moment of the day and maybe in lifetime, as well" instead of posing like a model. I just remembered an old discussion on UER about artist Miru Kim. That everybody was like "ooooh, she's naked" and "she's making money out of UE themed pics" and only some paid attention to the fact she was really enjoying exploring.
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| G to the Race
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| | | Re: "on sexism in urbex" < Reply # 1 on 7/17/2014 12:12 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by telefontubbie Stumbled upon this blog post about sexism in urbex - how the media reflects male and female explorers. the blog : http://valeriamsou...n-sexism-in-urbex/
HA!!! i bet many female explorers can relate to this. Like, how annoying it is when fellow explorers on forums / photography sites are mistaken you as a male if you're not having a nickname that surely points that you're a female. Being the only female explorer among other guys just in case to make them look less "criminal". Well, i can only partly agree on the "epic rooftopping photo" comparison. I've seen dozens of photos where female explorers looks like "hey, i'm having the bestest moment of the day and maybe in lifetime, as well" instead of posing like a model. I just remembered an old discussion on UER about artist Miru Kim. That everybody was like "ooooh, she's naked" and "she's making money out of UE themed pics" and only some paid attention to the fact she was really enjoying exploring.
| I recall the Kim discussion and I think it centered more on her capitalizing on UE than on sexualizing her or sexism. But, I agree w/the blogger kind of, UE is like video gaming, but you can't really blame dudes that are involved--there aren't a whole lot of women openly doing this. At least not enough to outweigh us basement dwellers that have never had a date in our lives. Kidding. About the basement dweller part. I've been dismayed to see explorers leave this community due to stalkerism, but when you're the only girl at the dance...Not to excuse the stalkers, sexists, or harassers, rather to understand the particular mindset from which they operate. About the woman in the video: she'll all BOOBS, what are straight dudes gonna do? I know they should focus on her mad skillz but sometimes biology takes over the brain and bad things are voiced. I hope she keeps splorin like a mad woman but maybe wear some less boobalicious clothing? Don't crucify me for blaming the victim, I'm not, but the victim should know that when you enter a male dominated field with a video like that, things will be said.
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| Steed
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| | | | Re: "on sexism in urbex" < Reply # 4 on 7/17/2014 2:51 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Skye_Ann The naked thing is a whole other topic. From what I've seen, if a guy shows his junk in a photo on here he's "brave" and "daring". But if a girl does it, she's a "whore" or a "slut". It's a double standard and it's stupid. If someone is confident enough with their body to be naked in front of a camera in a (classy) way, then that person shouldn't face judgement. It's not hurting anyone, and if you don't want to see it - just keep scrolling.
| I'm not too sure about that. To use the Kim Miru case already mentioned, she certainly found legitimacy in her nude works and has made tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars selling her work over the years. Meanwhile, a guy getting naked won't be able to make too much money for that long. I think it is usually wrong to criticise someone like Miru for capitalising on UE. Sure, being naked, female, and the daughter of a famous philosopher got her a few advantages others didn't receive, that's all incidental to the years of work she's put in. She's since mostly moved on from UE, having more recently focused on high-density farming followed by desert nomadic life.
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| Flashyfashionfraud
Location: Los Angeles, CA Gender: Neither Total Likes: 187 likes
| | | | Re: "on sexism in urbex" < Reply # 7 on 7/17/2014 3:52 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Well, I feel like in any aspect we can scream "sexism" based on how we treat each other when it comes to gender. That goes for both guys and girls, not just one against the other. I have realized that most Urbexplorers are male, not because females can't/won't be into the hobby; but because for the most part girls are less likely to take these risks and don't care about the hobby in general. Not putting girls in a box, it's just kinda how the female gender has been sadly brought up. I know when I first got into the hobby, most of my female friends thought it was interesting but the idea of trespassing freaked them out. I think it was the aspect of getting caught over getting dirty that kept them from joining me. My neighbor got really freaked out over all the "no trespassing" signs on the property, but once we got exploring she chilled out but doesn't join often. I really don't like putting guys into a box where it's all about boobs and the like. If someone makes an immature comment about that, whether it be guy or girl, then just ignore them. I've been taken very seriously as an explorer, but I also have gotten crap for not being as strong or fast. You can whine about it or you can let your skills do the talking. I do agree with DawnPatrol that it is better to go in a mixed group just because it does look less suspicious and is beneficial for everyone. If you can't do that, then it's whatever. Again, girls are just as capable as the guys out there in the hobby and the guys are no lesser than girls. Like DawnPatrol said, gender shouldn't matter. If you make it known that you're a girl or a guy, it's whatever. No one really needs to know unless you want someone to know, that's the beauty of being anonymous on the internet and on a site with a hobby like this. Everyone's going to be criticized, you can't really win when it comes to opinions. People are either going to approve of what you do or not; but in the end it's about what you love to do. Haters gonna hate, man.
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| AtticAddict
Location: Flower Mound, TX Gender: Female Total Likes: 57 likes
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| | | Re: "on sexism in urbex" < Reply # 14 on 7/17/2014 4:54 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | The blog makes excellent points, as do each of you: You can whine about it or you can let your skills do the talking. I do agree with DawnPatrol that it is better to go in a mixed group just because it does look less suspicious and is beneficial for everyone. If you can't do that, then it's whatever. Again, girls are just as capable as the guys out there in the hobby and the guys are no lesser than girls. |
Not to sound like a dick but this is Russia we are talking about. They are hardly the forthright leaders when it comes to womens rigjts and recognition. |
BUT there have been at least 3 articles about urban exploring on local male magazines. And the described hobbies on female magazines are mostly DIY shit, dancing salsa, exploring french wine and son on. Nothing related with taking risks... |
<<Which is why the journalists here are more to blame than the actual explorers. Sexism exists in UE just as it does in many male-dominated hobbies and professions. I have not encountered it personally, but I have witnessed it here on this website and elsewhere about the web. And I’ve seen it go both ways. This is the internet, after all. Here’s my question: Why the provocative explorer gear? It’s intriguing that usually when women appear in urbex pictures, they are posing and exposing. I am perplexed by this since what I wear while exploring is purely utilitarian: aimed at coverage and protection against the elements. No way in hell I’m bothering with hair & makeup. And my mind is certainly too busy watching out for danger, scoping out the next cool shot and watching where I’m placing my feet to bother with voguing.
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| CatAndTie
Location: Southeastern PA Gender: Male Total Likes: 161 likes
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| | | | Re: "on sexism in urbex" < Reply # 15 on 7/17/2014 5:05 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Skye_Ann The naked thing is a whole other topic. From what I've seen, if a guy shows his junk in a photo on here he's "brave" and "daring". But if a girl does it, she's a "whore" or a "slut". It's a double standard and it's stupid. If someone is confident enough with their body to be naked in front of a camera in a (classy) way, then that person shouldn't face judgement. It's not hurting anyone, and if you don't want to see it - just keep scrolling. Fck this whole thing just gets me heated.
| I agree with Steed on this one... and maybe this is because it's a male dominated activity, but I see more positive "beautiful" reactions to females in abandonments, or bridges, etc. When a dude gets naked and poses it normally is more "comically" or "funny." This is the same thing in movies as well... nude males are normally (not all the time) portrayed as comic relief when they show their asses, while females are seen as beautiful and wonderful curves, etc. I think it might have been in a nude thread we had going on here that someone (might have been your friend Therrin) wondered why there were not more male models. And bringing it to a larger audience, as Steed said, nude male models just don't sell as much.
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| | | Re: "on sexism in urbex" < Reply # 17 on 7/17/2014 10:01 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Soldat I'm just so tired of this bullshit about how sexist everything is. Ranger the fuck up everybody.
| ^ THAT! Suffice it to say, the only equal judging I do when I know I'll be exploring with a female is their body physique: Does she look fat and slow? Or slim and agile? Which honestly, that's the first thing I look at in both sexes. I want to explore with someone that can either run in front of me, or next to me and won't become a chew toy for the German Sheperd. When I know it's a female I'll be urbexing with, I think to myself "Awesome, she's doing the sweet talking if we get caught by authorities." ha-ha. Keep it up, ladies, don't let anyone intimidate you, especially someone with twice your size and strength. We can all stand to learn something from each other.
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| Radical_Ed
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Gender: Male Total Likes: 2728 likes
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| | | Re: "on sexism in urbex" < Reply # 19 on 7/17/2014 10:52 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I don't see sexism in the groups I encounter, myself. It's usually help the woman boost herself in the window, give the woman your spare flashlight if she forgets hers or her batteries die, open any and all doors for the woman, build a junk bridge over puddles in case the gal isn't wearing waterproof hikers, give her a pack of pocket Kleenex in case she has to go to the bathroom, open all beers before handing them out, inquire if the gal is hungry or thirsty, make sure she's not going first or last in the line of explorers and refrain from jokes about her ass, watch what you say and don't be disrespectful... Come to think of it, they're usually treated like diamond-studded gold when encountered in my experiences. CHIVALRY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sexism
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