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Poll Question: WHICH DATES WILL BE BEST FOR YOU?
Total Votes:	18
1. Friday Feb 29 through Sunday March 2?	5	27.78 %
2. earlier in Feb?	2	11.11 %
3. later in March?	11	61.11 %

big dave location: SoCal Gender: Male \| \|	Death Valley 2008 < on 11/19/2007 10:14 AM >

	Hey all, I guess ill be spearheading the 2008 trip with the help of those who were there for the 2007 Death Valley trip (see event thing in my profile). There are some very important things we need to decide on. 1) Date. Early March was great in my opinion. If we could choose a date in Feb or very early March, i think that would be the best time to visit Death Valley. My choice is Friday Feb 29 - Sunday March 2. 2) Attractions. We should start setting an agenda so we can move forward with other aspects of the trip. I'm pretty sure that we could all go as a group to each chosen location and everybody will be happy. It worked last trip. 3) Campground. Last year was a little mixed up with the group splitting up into 2 separate campsites in the campground. I'm sure whoever makes the effort to be there, is gonna want to socialize. Therefore i think we should all camp together in the same site this year. I feel the campground should be chosen given which locations we are going to be visiting. Our last campground at Furnace Creek was fine with me, although we did have to do a bit of driving to and from locations. Maybe Tunnelbug can take this one up so we can get our reservations and payment in? http://www.nps.gov...rvisit/camping.htm 4) Transportation. I know not everybody has one, but a high clearance 4x4 is almost mandatory. If we plan on hitting Goler Wash for example, only a capable 4x4 truck or SUV is going to get us there. I volunteer my Pathfinder to carry a couple of people, it being offered first to the people who were with me last time. If JBuss makes this trip, im sure he can accommodate a few souls (sorry for volunteering ya). Hopefully we get more 4x4 trucks/SUV's on this trip. http://www.nps.gov...ntry%20Roads-2.pdf 5) Food. Lets make a shopping list where everybody brings something. We should eat and drink good out there. 6) Shelter. I have a large tent that could sleep 2 with an attached pup tent that for sure sleeps 1. Ill have to look in the garage, i might have another tent. Everyone should have a winter sleeping bag, or a warm blanket at least. I guess thats it for now. Lets just get all this crap out of the way. If you would like to help out with something or have any info to share, please do so. [last edit 11/19/2007 10:15 AM by big dave - edited 1 times] An armed society, is a polite society. So lets get to it!

tunnelbug location: California Gender: Male \| \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 1 on 11/19/2007 6:54 PM >

	I'll look into camping reservations. One site, right? I imagine we'll want to camp closer to Goler Wash and The Treasure mine this time (more on the south end of Death Valley). I'll look into options. We may not have showers, so if you absolutely must have showers, please let me know... In fact, I'm not even sure if Furnace Creek even has showers... Cheers, J [last edit 11/19/2007 6:54 PM by tunnelbug - edited 1 times] Bearings: A Geographer's Blog Member of the CTC

big dave location: SoCal Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 2 on 11/19/2007 9:04 PM >

	Furnace Creek doesnt have showers. We did fine without them this past year. You never know what might happen, so we might wanna bring some portable hanging showers this year. Ill buy 2 and bring them with if anyone wants to use them. This way we can shower if need be. From $7.99 to $20 on ebay http://search.ebay...+shower&category0= Ive also started recruiting a couple of serious 4x4'ers here on UER. Im going to try to have everyone carrying at least 5 gallons of water on their rig An armed society, is a polite society. So lets get to it!

Jonsered location: Back in New Mexico where I belong Gender: Male Dressed for a scarecrow ball......... \| \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 3 on 11/19/2007 9:18 PM >

	Damn. Well, if we by chance have a break in the snow, I'd love to come. This link may help pick camp spots: http://www.nps.gov...rvisit/camping.htm Most of the campgrounds have water, so you can at least take an ass bath. Watch the open dates carefully. Some of the best spots aren't open at certain times. Double damn. Ya'll have fun. Somebody get underground for me this time, and get some pics! I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.

Nyssa location: Los Angeles Gender: Female Totally Sharky Complete \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 4 on 11/19/2007 9:35 PM >

	I'm in, and probably my boyfriend too. Showers, whatever. There were hoses connected to random spigots. Those'll do. It's just a weekend. We can all stink equally and we'll cancel each other out. "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

Seemoo location: Berkeley, CA Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 5 on 11/20/2007 12:37 AM >

	Sounds great! Will make sure that I get that weekend off for sure. I have a tent with extra space, but don't have a high clearance car. Any chance I could get a ride with someone from around LA? Really looking forward to this.

uTjKfcmXN Gender: Male \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 6 on 11/20/2007 12:39 AM >

	Pick some dates already! I'd love to join you guys down there. Anything you want me to take a peak at when I go down for new years? 'Locking the hubs and airing down... there is no better way to start a weekend!' - Me

big dave location: SoCal Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 7 on 11/20/2007 1:52 AM >

	I just added a poll to this thread. Please vote! EDIT: When you vote, please reply with your answer. Its confusing trying to figure out who wants what. [last edit 11/20/2007 3:19 AM by big dave - edited 2 times] An armed society, is a polite society. So lets get to it!

bryguy17 location: san luis obispo/fullerton Gender: Male Welcome to SLOcal \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 8 on 11/20/2007 5:20 AM >

	dont really care on the date. i'll see whats going on when we get closer. i half want to bring a bike too "crap! tractor! tree!" points

uTjKfcmXN Gender: Male \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 9 on 11/20/2007 6:00 AM >

	Later in march will work better for me. My boss is pretty easy going, just have to give him notice that I'll be gone. I have spring break march 17-23. Those dates would be ideal for me. 'Locking the hubs and airing down... there is no better way to start a weekend!' - Me

JBuss

location:
China Lake
Gender: Male

Rolling out the .50 cal just for Elf-boy

Re: Death Valley 2008
<Reply # 10 on 11/20/2007 8:14 AM >

Posted by big dave
Hey all,

If JBuss makes this trip, im sure he can accommodate a few souls (sorry for volunteering ya). Hopefully we get more 4x4 trucks/SUV's on this trip. http://www.nps.gov...ntry%20Roads-2.pdf

Gee thanks there Dave... Hopefully I'll have the lift kit by then, since I'm working again.... and yes I am planning on going.

besides if my truck could make that wicked trail we hit up in Big Bear I know I won't have any troubles out there

[last edit 11/20/2007 8:17 AM by JBuss - edited 1 times]

uTjKfcmXN Gender: Male \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 11 on 11/20/2007 11:46 PM >

	I'm so stoked to spend new years down there again! 2007 Pics - Not the UER trip you guys did #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 [last edit 11/20/2007 11:47 PM by uTjKfcmXN - edited 1 times] 'Locking the hubs and airing down... there is no better way to start a weekend!' - Me

big dave location: SoCal Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 12 on 11/21/2007 3:35 AM >

	Those are awesome pics, and you have an awesome truck. I look forward to seeing you there in 2008! An armed society, is a polite society. So lets get to it!

bryguy17 location: san luis obispo/fullerton Gender: Male Welcome to SLOcal \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 13 on 11/21/2007 6:42 AM >

	just thought of something: are you optimizing dates for a full moon? just wondering in case you had overlooked it "crap! tractor! tree!" points

rapcw location: Antioch, CA Gender: Male \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 14 on 11/21/2007 7:09 AM >

	Very cool pics, jokeplayer. I recognize two of those pics as being from the Saline Valley Salt Tram, I've wanted to visit that site since I first heard about it. Are the first two pictures also from mines in the Saline Valley? Thanks for sharing. -Russell

Reciprocity Failure location: Santa Barbara/Chicago Gender: Male See you on the dark side of the Moon \| \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 15 on 11/21/2007 7:21 AM >

	I'll be able to make it, and I'm good to go 4x4-wise. Later in march would work better though. "It only takes one tree to make a thousand matches, it only takes one match to burn a thousand trees."

big dave

location:
SoCal
Gender: Male

Re: Death Valley 2008
<Reply # 16 on 11/21/2007 7:28 AM >

Posted by bryguy17
just thought of something: are you optimizing dates for a full moon? just wondering in case you had overlooked it

Good thing you mention that. Weekends with a full moon are Feb 22-24 (phasing out), March 21-23 (optimum full moon). http://stardate.or...moon.css&Submit=Go

We could go ahead and solidify March 21-23 2008 since its a full moon right in the middle of its full cycle. We also have more people voting for later in March. How about it, opinions?

An armed society, is a polite society. So lets get to it!

Reciprocity Failure

location:
Santa Barbara/Chicago
Gender: Male

See you on the dark side of the Moon

Re: Death Valley 2008
<Reply # 17 on 11/21/2007 8:00 AM >

Posted by big dave

Good thing you mention that. Weekends with a full moon are Feb 22-24 (phasing out), March 21-23 (optimum full moon). http://stardate.or...moon.css&Submit=Go

We could go ahead and solidify March 21-23 2008 since its a full moon right in the middle of its full cycle. We also have more people voting for later in March. How about it, opinions?

That is the start of one of my breaks. Couldn't be more perfect.

"It only takes one tree to make a thousand matches, it only takes one match to burn a thousand trees."

Nyssa location: Los Angeles Gender: Female Totally Sharky Complete \|	Re: Death Valley 2008 <Reply # 18 on 11/21/2007 7:28 PM >

	Late March sounds good. "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

uTjKfcmXN

Gender: Male

Re: Death Valley 2008
<Reply # 19 on 11/21/2007 7:36 PM >

Later in march sounds better for me. Full moon is a must! Shot number #2 was taken with a full moon - hence the amount of color and the shadow on the ground. Number one was a long exposure with a propane lantern on the opposite side of the post and some LED flashlight fill, that's what left the blue tint on the camera's side of the beams.

The first two shots were taken at the tail end of the valley that the racetrack is in. We took Lippencot Mine road up to that site from the valley to the west, but I think Lippencot mine itself might have been the mine on the next peak to the north of us. I'm horrible with the names of geographic features down there.

'Locking the hubs and airing down... there is no better way to start a weekend!' - Me

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