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Freak location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 60 on 9/23/2003 4:02 AM >

	Is there enough space between the nut and the damaged part to get a cutter in? If so, you could cut off the damaged part and leave enough of the bolt to resecure it with the nuts. A bolt cutter would be faster and maybe quieter than a hacksaw or drill. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137

Malabaristo location: Eau Claire Wisconsin Gender: Male \| \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 61 on 9/23/2003 8:45 PM >

	The bolt cutter will (assuming you can cut the bolt) just deform the threads in a slightly different place.

Ben Noble Donor location: Mojave Desert Gender: Male \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 62 on 9/23/2003 10:31 PM >

	Slightly deformed threads are better than completely mushroomed threads. A bolt cutter, properly used, should work fine. Doesn't the entire concept defy Jester's and Avatar's codes?

Macsbug Noble Donor location: St. Paul, MN Gender: Male Safety First! \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 63 on 9/23/2003 10:44 PM >

	I wouldnt view it as a destructive way of solving the problem. Assuming the bolt now works correctly like it should, and that when bolted down, the cover is just as stable as before, I would see no ethical delemma. Any opinions? "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 64 on 9/23/2003 10:50 PM >

	Well, if I can leave it with a slightly shorter bolt, but still quite sealable, then my ethical standpoint of not leaving it open will be technically satisfied. I'm working on various ideas... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

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Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ?
<Reply # 65 on 9/24/2003 1:11 AM >

Posted by Jester
Well, if I can leave it with a slightly shorter bolt, but still quite sealable, then my ethical standpoint of not leaving it open will be technically satisfied. I'm working on various ideas...

hell with it, jester. just procure some C4, shape it, set it, and RUN LIKE THE DICKENS!!!

wait a couple hours and come back. if there's no one around, you're good to go!!

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Dirtbag location: Big D \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 66 on 9/24/2003 1:41 AM >

	The solution is simple. figure out the size of the bolts, go buy four new nuts and bolts, cut the old ones off, then replace them with the new ones when your done. Mushroom them down when your done, then no one will ever know you were there. May the floor be solid and the door be open.

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 67 on 9/24/2003 1:44 AM >

	Well, the length of the bolts is a bit of a mystery now isn't it ? I had already considered replacing the bolts, but they seem mounted somehow underneath, as they didn't budge while I got the nuts loosened as far as I could... As I said... i'm working on it... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

Macsbug Noble Donor location: St. Paul, MN Gender: Male Safety First! \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 68 on 9/24/2003 1:49 AM >

	The bolts could also end in concrete (like krazy's pic?), if so this would make replacement pretty much impossible, you would have to anchor a new bolt some other way, duct tape... "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 69 on 9/24/2003 1:53 AM >

	I was thinking chewing gum, totally go MacGyver on this things ass... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

Dirtbag location: Big D \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 70 on 9/24/2003 1:54 AM >

	so, bring four bolts and some concrete. May the floor be solid and the door be open.

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 71 on 9/24/2003 2:21 AM >

	Ya know, for the high profile place it is... I'd be better to steal a freakin GVRD truck and look legit... sigh I'm working on it... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

ReAct location: Northern Jersey... For now. Gender: Male \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 72 on 9/24/2003 6:11 AM >

	If the threads of the bolt stick up through the top of the panel, then you can be pretty sure they aren't traditional machine bolts at all. They are probably what are known as "Quick Bolts" (among other names) which are bolt barrels on a special head that is driven into a pre-drilled hole in the concrete. Once the bolt is pounded in, it usually takes tons (quite literally) of force to remove it. Incidentially, they are usually driven into the concrete with a heavy hammer, which would mushroom the end of them were it not protected. Though, in your case, I'd be willing to bet that was done for security purposes, because threading a nut on these things is impossible after you've mushroomed the head while installing them. As far as concerns for noise and light go, I think your best bet would be the following: Find out the size of these bolts through whatever means necessary. Get a nice solid 3/4" ratchet with as long a handle as you can find, and grab a three foot piece of 3/4" rigid steel pipe. Use the pipe as a cheater on the handle of the ratchet, the added leverage will give you enough mechanical advantage that the nut will re-thread the bolt. If you're worried about squeaks or sqeals from the metal, coat these suckers with WD-40 or 3-in-1 or whatever, a half hour before you crack 'em. Lord knows the oil wouldn't hinder the re-threading process. In this case, force is king. I can speak from experience that you will not reach a point where you cannot turn the nut. The bolt/nut/ratchet will fail before you run out of muscle to turn it. It's quiet, and relatively quick. Each one could be done in less than four minutes. Besides, who says all those nuts have to be removed at once? Who's going to miss one nut a day over a period of four days? And worse comes to worse, and your first shot fails, damaging something beyond repair, at least there are three other nuts/bolts safely holding the panel, and I just hope your ratchet is tough. Good luck. -ReAct "'13.2V...' Thirteen volts. It's thirteen volts? Jesus, I could practically be made of salt water and this wouldn't hurt me." "That says '13.2kV.'" "Ohhhh... Thirteen-thousand volts... I suppose that's a little different...."

MacGyver location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater" \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 73 on 9/24/2003 2:59 PM >

	hmm, quick bolts. could very well be. Good thinking, ReAct. Here's some illustrations to explain: The anchor is pounded into the right sdize hole drilled in the cement or rock and is not designed to be removed. As upward force is applied by teh nut tightening down, the sleeve tries to slide down over the wedge shaped base and securely anchors the bolt in place. Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent."

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 74 on 9/24/2003 3:03 PM >

	So far, the problem has not been that I couldn't exert the force needed. The nut turns, comes up to the wrecked section, and will keep on turning, it just won't go up anymore... spins and spins... I had been thinking they were likely embedded, but had no idea how. That illustration makes sense... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

MacGyver location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater" \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 75 on 9/24/2003 3:06 PM >

	does the nut spin on the bolt, or do both the nut and bolt spin together in the hole? If the quick bolt is turning in the hole, you might try doing that a lot and hoping it eats out the hole enough to slide out. Then you don't have to get the nut off. Just leave it in the plate and stick the thing back down the hole to replace it later. Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent."

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 76 on 9/24/2003 3:10 PM >

	C'mon Krazy, give me some credit here... Yes, it's the nut spinning, the bolt itself remains unmoved. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

MacGyver location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater" \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 77 on 9/24/2003 3:14 PM >

	Relax, I'm just making sure we're on the same track. Then all you have to do is either remove the threads above where the nut spins or force the nut to drive onto them. You could try turning the nut with a socket while another set of hands provides upwards force on the bottom of the nut with a crowbar in hopes that the nut will grab the threads. Do you think that would work? Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent."

Chainsaw This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: Underground, Colorado Gender: Male \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 78 on 9/24/2003 4:42 PM >

	Get yourself a truck, a length of chain and a big ass hook, hammer the hook in between the plate and the ground, attach the chain to the hook and the truck - drive away - come back a couple hours later - repeat until you have access or get arrested. Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.

ReAct location: Northern Jersey... For now. Gender: Male \| \|	Re: FOB... Does anyone know about these ? <Reply # 79 on 9/24/2003 8:29 PM >

	While I do like the idea posted by Chainsaw, I think Krazy's idea is your next best bet. Either the nut or the bolt ia stripped. If the nut is stripped, you can forget about plan except one that focuses on removing the damaged section of bolt, because there's no way in hell the nut will rethread anything. If the bolt is stripped, close inspection of the threads near the top of the shank will reveal this. In which case, barring any other new and improved ideas, Krazy's is worth a shot. Honestly, I wouldn't expect a lot out of it (no offense Krazy). You may/may not catch a thread depending on how damaged that bolt is, and even then, unless you can get the nut over quite a few good threads, you'll never be able to re-thread the bolt. What will happen is you crank that nut and the few threads you've managed to hook to will strip out under the pressure. That might be why they're stripped already: Someone else tried to open this thing. But you never know until you try. I really like the idea of getting a truck and some PPE and publicly going to town on this panel with a torch or demo-saw or something; just acting like you're supposed to be there. If you could pull it off, it would be spectacular. Because I don't know you, I'm gonna state the obvious: Have a good backup. If you can, find out what the work-orders for Public Works (or whomever) look like and make up a couple of those. Plan out some BS you can throw out if you get challenged by someone with "authority" (unless of course you're a super slick-tongued SOB and can fast talk on the spot, something I've never been too good at.) You were talking about getting ahold of some very specific maintanence truck to pull this off. Maybe, maybe not: A standard looking utility truck with no special markings (maybe put some numbers on it somewhere to make it look more like a fleet truck) would work fine. Just say you're with Buchanen Technologies and you're doing some sonic surveying for a possible nick in a telephone trunk line (this is of course after you go to city hall to find out that there is actually a telephone bus somewhere close to that vicinity). Have the credentials to back it up. Also try and get at least one other person on your crew, more convincing that way. I would love to be in on something like that, always wanted a big, white, unambiguous step-van with a couple of amber light-bars on it that would allow me to do that... sigh I guess I'm just detailing my fantasy here. With whatever you decide, keep us posted. -ReAct "'13.2V...' Thirteen volts. It's thirteen volts? Jesus, I could practically be made of salt water and this wouldn't hurt me." "That says '13.2kV.'" "Ohhhh... Thirteen-thousand volts... I suppose that's a little different...."

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