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 MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
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<Reply # 20 on 2/28/2012 2:38 PM >
|  | | | Posted by HungarianSM
Oh and I have explored subway tunnels, in Eastern Europe to be exact, there the system has a whole branch that was abandoned when the river flooded, and theres whole tunnel systems under the city that were used for old school soviet bunkers,
On one of the Subway (Metro as its known there) lines in Hungary, theres a whole abandoned nuclear bunker with its entrance from an active subway tunnel, I've never gotten into the bunker as it's pretty much sealed up tight, however I have explored the subways there, albeit without a camera 
Back then I just thought me and my friends were idiots, not really UER-ing per say.
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Screw the subways, you said Soviet bunkers?
Damn you should have dragged a torch down there, cut off wheels, TNT, whatever it took, drooooo-o-ol, Soviet bunkers, sealed, pristine, *a tear*
Can't think about this any longer.
There are other underground places up that way though, some a lot cooler than the subways. Local explorers will be more helpful in time, be patient.
Your security measures were inadequate.
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Avatar-X
       
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| |  | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 21 on 2/28/2012 3:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
Please don't give new members like this any ideas about exploring active subway tunnels.
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I hate this "holier than thou" attitude that many members on here seem to have. Learning about the existence of Lower Bay is what got me interested in UE 12 years ago.
The world is full of people who think they know better than you and who like to tell you what to do and how to live your life. I hate that. I will happily listen to your advice, and I will take what you say under advisement, but I will make my own decisions in life.
Hungarian: Running subway tunnels is a fucking blast. It's amazing. It's an adrenaline rush. Lower Bay is a boring shell of a station that looks exactly like other stations but dirtier. GETTING to Lower Bay is the rush, the fun, the adventure. Sprinting down the tunnel, hearing the trains rumble, not sure if they're in your tunnel or not.
Learn the risks, and be prepared for the consequences of getting electrocuted, getting hit by a train, or getting caught. But make your own decisions and don't let negative nellies ruin your fun.
I've been in Lower Queen, it's boring, not really worth the effort.
-av
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Breach
Location: Louisville, KY
Gender: Male
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 22 on 2/28/2012 3:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I hate this "holier than thou" attitude that many members on here seem to have. Learning about the existence of Lower Bay is what got me interested in UE 12 years ago.
The world is full of people who think they know better than you and who like to tell you what to do and how to live your life. I hate that. I will happily listen to your advice, and I will take what you say under advisement, but I will make my own decisions in life.
Hungarian: Running subway tunnels is a fucking blast. It's amazing. It's an adrenaline rush. Lower Bay is a boring shell of a station that looks exactly like other stations but dirtier. GETTING to Lower Bay is the rush, the fun, the adventure. Sprinting down the tunnel, hearing the trains rumble, not sure if they're in your tunnel or not.
Learn the risks, and be prepared for the consequences of getting electrocuted, getting hit by a train, or getting caught. But make your own decisions and don't let negative nellies ruin your fun.
I've been in Lower Queen, it's boring, not really worth the effort.
-av
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^^^^this +1.
We offer advice, not demands. If an explorer wants to go, let them. give pointers, never tell someone they can't do something.
Remember, someone once told us we can't go into that abandoned decrepit house. And here we are today, still going into abandoned decrepit places.
[last edit 2/28/2012 3:27 PM by Breach - edited 1 times]
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kowalski
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 23 on 2/28/2012 4:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
Learn the risks, and be prepared for the consequences of getting electrocuted, getting hit by a train, or getting caught. [...]
I've been in Lower Queen, it's boring, not really worth the effort. |
Amazing how this is basically what was said by the "negative nellies."
| Hungarian: Running subway tunnels is a fucking blast. It's amazing. It's an adrenaline rush. |
Much like running across a highway, breaking into a building, or popping a manhole lid on a public street. In all these cases, a person had better have a pretty good reason to be doing it, both to justify the risk to themselves, and to justify their actions to the public community (Toronto). If they can't make an argument for why they should be taking on those risks, they have no business doing it, regardless of the 'thrill' involved.
Beyond the particular question of the original poster's capacity to handle the space and risks successfully, this is the larger sphere of UE forumers' irresponsibility that some of us would call attention to.
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ZenCanadian
Location: High Park, Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 24 on 2/28/2012 5:03 PM >
| | | | He came on here to ask advice, I think that is commendable. Instead of just rushing off and trying it, he came here to ask people with more experience, I think that is smart.
As for needing to have a really good reason to be doing it? Why? When I first started ue'ing I didn't have a "good" reason, it was my curious nature that led me to want to see the inside of abandoned farm homes and the remains of industy left untouched. We all know the risks involved, be it from the law, or the hazards to ones health.
Follow your own tunnel!
Zen and the art of infiltration...
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Zen is an uber explorer, a demi god of craning and purveyor of the finer things in life. |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 25 on 2/28/2012 6:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by ZenCanadian
He came on here to ask advice, I think that is commendable. Instead of just rushing off and trying it, he came here to ask people with more experience, I think that is smart.
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Yeah, and basically what happened was a bunch of people who either have no experience exploring Toronto's subway system or subway systems in general started chiming in about what he should do. If Hungarian's interested in exploring stuff in Toronto then more power to him. That's not even the issue. The issue is that if people come here looking for advice then it should probably be given by people who actually know what they're talking about based on first-hand experience. Is that too much to ask?
I don't believe that anyone should be telling members what they can can't do, whether it's what they chose to explore or what they decide to do once they get there. At the same time, there is such a thing as baby steps. There are people who join UER who are either new to urban exploration or who have a limited understanding of what it is they're interested in getting involved in. We should be pointing these people to low-risk places that might give them a sense of what they could expect to find in more dangerous locations.
When people come to me expressing interest in draining, I don't tell them to start opening up manhole covers to enter combined sewers. I point them to the safest, easiest thing I know because that's generally the sort of place where people should start, especially if they're going it alone.
I know this isn't as much fun as Avatar-X's "just fucking do it!" approach, but I'm also guessing that when he first ventured down into Lower Bay, he was probably with people who had already been down there before. At the very least, he wasn't alone and I doubt that's something he ever did later on either. Yet this seems to be what he's encouraging this particular person to do, for the sake of an adrenaline rush. At the risk of sounding "holier than thou", I don't really think that's the responsible thing to do.
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HungarianSM
Location: Toronto, Canada
Gender: Male
Eh?
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 27 on 2/28/2012 6:55 PM >
| | | | Wow guys, Thanks for the detailed mature responses from everyone, I really appreciate you guys and this site, It's gotten me to fucking LOVE UE-ing haha
I guess i'll put off the subways here until I have some more experience anyways, I wish we had nice abandoned networks under us like London, Paris, or hell, even rochester 
The nuclear bunker I'm talking about is called the f4, or Rakosi bunker under Budapest, access was really easy about 5-6 years ago for a very short time when they started demolition of one of the secret (until then) entrances above ground for it, but since then the only access is either through the parliament (yeah, fuck no haha, Keep dreaming) or through the subway tunnels, However In hungary the tunnels often don't have clearance with the trains, so If one comes zooming by your probably toast unless you lie down between the tracks (sketchy as fuck)
I'll probably return in the summer and check it out again, but last time the two possible entrances were either breaking down a bricked up wall, (which I'm not willing to do... yet ;) or somehow getting past in through the tunnels.
Thanks guys again!
(Man I wish I had a private UE plane in which I could travel the world bahahaha)
Skys the limit! :)
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MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 28 on 2/29/2012 1:30 AM >
| | | | One thing I would take into consideration is your Visa, Pass Port, etc. and making sure you don't get throw on the no fly list.
If you plan to come into the US be careful not to be caught at "known terrorist targets" in Canada. US Customs may bar you from entering.
I don't think they're that concerned in the former Soviet block countries, but times are changing; don't get caught in the wheels of that change.
Consider what you plan to do professionally in the next 30 years, and don't burn the bridges you will need to cross.
911 fucked up everything, and it's only getting worse. Now even Canada seems to be tightening up, no doubt in part because of US politics and concerns.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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superphoenix
Location: New York City
Gender: Male
There's a madness to my methods
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 29 on 2/29/2012 2:12 AM >
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911 fucked up everything. Now even Canada seems to be tightening up, no doubt in part because of US politics and concerns.
[/quote] So true. John Law said that's why he had to retire from bridge climbing. And the canada thing is a shame because it seemed like such a good safe place for exploring. To be fair, I have only had to deal with the third rail once and all I could think was that now I could choose my method of death: train or third rail. Not to discourage you or anything, but be aware of the risks.
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HungarianSM
Location: Toronto, Canada
Gender: Male
Eh?
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 30 on 2/29/2012 3:43 AM >
| | | | About the whole US travel thing and laws/whatnot, I also have a Hungarian(EU) passport, thus I'm also a citizen there besides Canada, so I Can pretty much do w/e there in the EU without it biting me in the ass after.
And they really label you that easily in the states? Wow....
Skys the limit! :)
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MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 31 on 3/2/2012 3:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by HungarianSM
About the whole US travel thing and laws/whatnot, I also have a Hungarian(EU) passport, thus I'm also a citizen there besides Canada, so I Can pretty much do w/e there in the EU without it biting me in the ass after.
And they really label you that easily in the states? Wow....
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You could be barred from entering the US indefinitely if they consider your activities criminal, and especially terrorist related. Same is true about US entry into Canada.
Make sure you understand what the countries you are dealing with are now doing.
This is only going to get worse.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 32 on 3/2/2012 6:30 PM >
| | | | Avatar and Beens definitely laid it out best.
Make sure you know and never underestimate the risks. Never get complacent, neither the third rail or a speeding train will hesitate in maiming or killing you should you make contact. If possible go with someone who is experienced for at least your first trip or two. Exploring active subways is probably the single most exciting type of exploration that there is, once you work past the initial apprehension and paranoia you won't be able to stay away from it.
Posted by superphoenix
I'm also a bit confused about the third rail because some people step on it like a platform while others avoid it even with the protective covering.
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The covering is designed to provide enough protection to step on, but they can be old and prone to cracking//breaking. It's advisable to just avoid it all together. Most track workers are trained to approach the rail and side step over it, covered or not.
grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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skootles
Location: Toronto, ON
Gender: Male
Is the poop deck really what I think it is?
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 33 on 3/9/2012 8:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
Lower Bay is a boring shell of a station that looks exactly like other stations but dirtier. GETTING to Lower Bay is the rush, the fun, the adventure. Sprinting down the tunnel, hearing the trains rumble, not sure if they're in your tunnel or not.
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Exactly why I wanted to do it. I've been to Lower Bay on Nuit Blanche and it's true, it is just a dirty boring subway station, but that's only the destination. The excitement is in the journey. These days though I don't know if I'd try it.
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Beens
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 34 on 3/9/2012 11:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by skootles
These days though I don't know if I'd try it.
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Its doable these days
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Clever Girl
Location: Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
| | | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 35 on 3/10/2012 1:02 AM >
| | | | If I was ever to take up running the tunnels, I'd do it with Willskith, so +1 to anyone information he provides.
Get down, girl, go 'head, get down. |
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MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 36 on 3/10/2012 1:16 AM >
| | | | Consider what happens when you trip when running on train tracks. Broken ribs, and skull fractures are not uncommon.
I've done it once, I wasn't able to move for at least a minute with the wind totally knocked out of me. I crawled off the tracks before the next train came.
Falls happen, be damn sure you don't, lol, falling on steel rails bust bones. Always wear tightly laced high top boots.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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Beens
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 37 on 3/10/2012 11:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by MrSivalls
Consider what happens when you trip when running on train tracks. Broken ribs, and skull fractures are not uncommon.
I've done it once, I wasn't able to move for at least a minute with the wind totally knocked out of me. I crawled off the tracks before the next train came.
Falls happen, be damn sure you don't, lol, falling on steel rails bust bones. Always wear tightly laced high top boots.
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I've broken ribs climbing a fence. And almost broke a hip falling off my bike on ice. Shit can happen with everything you do. Roll the Dice.
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MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 38 on 3/11/2012 12:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by Beens
I've broken ribs climbing a fence. And almost broke a hip falling off my bike on ice. Shit can happen with everything you do. Roll the Dice.
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Ribs don't count, they break easy
Tearing the cartilage in between ribs is worse than a cracked rib, rails are like can openers. When you trip on tracks, one or both of the rails always seems to *break* your fall. truth.
Nothing is worse then heavy steel to fall on.
Never play on steel. It will rear up and bite bad every time.
You get knocked out on an active rail line, you die.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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skootles
Location: Toronto, ON
Gender: Male
Is the poop deck really what I think it is?
| | Re: Questions about subway tunnels
<Reply # 39 on 3/11/2012 10:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by Beens
Its doable these days
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With the right equipment, maybe.
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