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Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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 |  |  | Re: 4 UK Urban Explorers Face Orders Not To Talk With Each Other For 10 Years
<Reply # 20 on 2/28/2012 12:08 AM >
|  | | | That is unreal, I cannot imagine being told I can't talk to my friends BY LAW for the next ten years. Absolutely bonkers!
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nomeus
 
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| |  |  | | Re: 4 UK Urban Explorers Face Orders Not To Talk With Each Other For 10 Years
<Reply # 21 on 2/28/2012 12:40 AM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
Fuck that. I'm the one who suggested to the judge that they not be allowed to speak to each other.
I also suggested that they should be forced to visit nomeus, so that they could see the absolute level of depravity that urban exploration can lead to.
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a thief AND a liar!!!
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BloodBoss
Location: human world
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| | Re: 4 UK Urban Explorers Face Orders Not To Talk With Each Other For 10 Years
<Reply # 22 on 2/28/2012 4:59 AM >
| | | | how the shit would they enforce that?
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syl23
| | Re: 4 UK Urban Explorers Face Orders Not To Talk With Each Other For 10 Years
<Reply # 23 on 2/28/2012 5:03 AM >
| | | | That is downright Orwellian. It actually makes me want to punch somebody.
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Chris-Kicker
 
Location: New York, NY
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| | | Re: 4 UK Urban Explorers Face Orders Not To Talk With Each Other For 10 Years
<Reply # 24 on 2/28/2012 6:04 AM >
| | | | Keeping them from socializing to keep them from acting anti-social? okay.....
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Loki
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| | Re: 4 UK Urban Explorers Face Orders Not To Talk With Each Other For 10 Years
<Reply # 25 on 2/28/2012 6:12 AM >
| | | | Posted by GASMASKGOLDER
how the shit would they enforce that?
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Phone calls would be easy to track, if phone registered to X calls phone registered to Y authorities could be notified.
It's likely that their Internet usage would be monitored to some extent, not sure if it would just be publicly visible or an ISP level but in Australia both would be legal.
They could just meet in person but if they were caught they could face 10 years jail, not saying they wouldn't but they'd be fucking careful about it.
Anyway, as far as I know that particular part of the court order hasn't been confirmed yet and it seems unlikely to me.
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hydrotherapy
  
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| | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 26 on 2/28/2012 11:19 AM >
| | | | Threads merged because Mandias got it first.
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MutantMandias
 
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Location: Atlanta, GA
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| | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 27 on 2/28/2012 12:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by hydrotherapy
Threads merged because Mandias got it first.
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That's what she said.
But she was talking about chlamydia.
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| | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 28 on 2/28/2012 2:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by Loki
They could just meet in person but if they were caught they could face 10 years jail, not saying they wouldn't but they'd be fucking careful about it.
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I assume they'd go about meeting each other the same way one would go about meeting a prostitute.
Oh good, my slow clap processor made it into this thing.
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MrSivalls
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| | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 29 on 2/28/2012 2:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by Loki
Phone calls would be easy to track, if phone registered to X calls phone registered to Y authorities could be notified.
It's likely that their Internet usage would be monitored to some extent, not sure if it would just be publicly visible or an ISP level but in Australia both would be legal.
They could just meet in person but if they were caught they could face 10 years jail, not saying they wouldn't but they'd be fucking careful about it.
Anyway, as far as I know that particular part of the court order hasn't been confirmed yet and it seems unlikely to me.
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Meet without using cell phones? Looks like they're goners for sure if they're good buds.
All electronic communications are tractable, just depends on how much effort they will go through to enforce the ruling.
You would think they need the jail space for real terrorists.
Your security measures were inadequate.
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nomeus
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| | | | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 30 on 2/28/2012 10:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
That's what she said.
But she was talking about chlamydia.
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but if she knows then that means.......
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Loki
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
| | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 31 on 2/29/2012 3:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by MrSivalls
Meet without using cell phones? Looks like they're goners for sure if they're good buds.
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It's the same problem for fixed line phones, mail, anything really. It would be impossible to catch any and all communication but it would be easy to monitor a lot of it with little effort/resources.
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Guerrillaexplorer066
Location: London, UK
| | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 32 on 3/2/2012 4:25 PM >
| | | | The company that controls the transport here in London, TfL, figure shutting up a few explorers will prevent people going into the system. As my post in the World forum shows, there are a lot more than 4 people heading down there. And as a friend, who was one of the 4, says, they'd be better off spending there time securing the system, rather than handing out control orders. The control order, or asbo, only limits them from talking about exploring. They can legally meet up and talk about knitting or petrol bombing the local (insert target of choice).
A month after the 4 were caught, a friend and I got into the station where they were caught, Aldwych (using a different method). There were no new deterrents down there.
To be fair, i'd still rather be caught doing stuff in the UK than the USA. In the UK you can pretty much get away with a slap on the wrist for doing anything. This is the only and heaviest of cases to arise from people being busted exploring. That and when one of the 4 decided to joyride a mail rail train (basically a mini subterranean train) and de-railed it. It's always interesting in London!
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 33 on 3/2/2012 7:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by hydrotherapy
"But rather than stifling our free speech to tell Londoners there are security weaknesses all over the system, they should probably call us and bring us on as consultants to help fill these gaps."
Truth.
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While we are going at the hypotheticals, I wonder if the MTA should hire Darius McCollum to work for them?
Posted by Guerrillaexplorer066
To be fair, i'd still rather be caught doing stuff in the UK than the USA. In the UK you can pretty much get away with a slap on the wrist for doing anything. This is the only and heaviest of cases to arise from people being busted exploring. That and when one of the 4 decided to joyride a mail rail train (basically a mini subterranean train) and de-railed it. It's always interesting in London!
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Last year in NYC there was a group of four explorers who were caught in a disused subway tunnel and another two who were caught climbing a bridge. The incident in London and the two in NYC all happened within a few months of eachother. Both NYC cases ended up getting a fair amount of press and predictable overreaction//hysteria, yet none of six explorers got their houses raided and none of them ever faced the potential of such harsh consequences as the Aldwych four...
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Lomax
Location: Denver
Gender: Male
| | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 34 on 3/2/2012 7:25 PM >
| | | | Posted by willskith
While we are going at the hypotheticals, I wonder if the MTA should hire Darius McCollum to work for them?
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Wow, what a peculiar fellow. He must really love the rails to be willing to sacrifice that much. I reckon they ought to give him a job. It sounds like that's what he wants and he would likely be an excellent employee (aside from occasionally stealing locomotives)
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Guerrillaexplorer066
Location: London, UK
| | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 35 on 3/2/2012 9:10 PM >
| | | | Posted by willskith
Last year in NYC there was a group of four explorers who were caught in a disused subway tunnel and another two who were caught climbing a bridge. The incident in London and the two in NYC all happened within a few months of eachother. Both NYC cases ended up getting a fair amount of press and predictable overreaction//hysteria, yet none of six explorers got their houses raided and none of them ever faced the potential of such harsh consequences as the Aldwych four...
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That's reassuring to know, as I'm heading to NYC soon. Is that where one of them said they'd left a bomb in a tunnel under the river or something? Surely that guy got screwed.
It's all a bit of an overreaction in my book. asbo's/control orders don't really mean anything. They mainly don't want anything popping up online saying 'oooh, isn't it easy to explore in the London Underground'. They're not actually going to use resources to track the 4 (one of whom is living in Australia) or tap their mobile phones etc.
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 36 on 3/2/2012 11:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by Guerrillaexplorer066
That's reassuring to know, as I'm heading to NYC soon. Is that where one of them said they'd left a bomb in a tunnel under the river or something? Surely that guy got screwed.
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Different incident. That person wasn't an explorer of any sorts, he was just nuts...
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
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| | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 37 on 3/3/2012 4:08 PM >
| | | | I got caught, spent 48 hours in jail and got let go. I got my entire aresenal back. Lockpicks, hacksaws, crobars, rappelling gear, and the like. I'd take getting busted here over the UK any day.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 38 on 3/3/2012 5:56 PM >
| | | | It's odd they mention the girl who died in the Odessa catacombs. It's a totally different situation, but is that incident really all that known in the English-language Internet beyond UER?
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Lomax
Location: Denver
Gender: Male
| | Re: Human rights for urban explorers being debated in London
<Reply # 39 on 3/3/2012 6:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by Steed
It's odd they mention the girl who died in the Odessa catacombs. It's a totally different situation, but is that incident really all that known in the English-language Internet beyond UER?
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I thought the same thing. The article is pretty savvy and shows some keen insight.
[last edit 3/3/2012 8:30 PM by Lomax - edited 1 times]
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