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 CaptOrbit
      
Location: Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
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<Reply # 20 on 1/30/2012 4:39 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Glass
Without judging a dead man (come on, people), let me just refer to Ninj's AAA... people who take the risks we do as explorers ought to remember the following ratio:
Risk:Reward
Apart from that, there is a longstanding rule-of-thumb; that from time to time the drainers drown, the climbers fall, and the hardcores go to jail.
If you explore and have had a close call... good. But feel lucky.
If you explore and haven't had a close call... I don't know what you're doing wrong, but I can't help you if you can't find something worth some risk and still call yourself an 'explorer'.
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You bring up some fair points, but free climbing wet steel isn't risky, it's suicidal.
The personal responsibility train left the station years ago, and you gave it the finger as you watched it leave. |
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Steed
  
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
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<Reply # 21 on 1/30/2012 9:10 AM >
| | | | The other day I was on my way to a crane when I stumbled and almost fell on a flat sidewalk. Sometimes random chance is a bigger factor than we want to think.
I've done a lot of craning, and I've usually had a couple beers prior to climbing, and I've gone out on the jib like this guy did. Unless he was taking excessive risks, I'm unsure what differentiates him from myself.
I've always said cranes are some of the safest things to climb, because you know that some worker makes the climb every single day, which can't be said for most ladders out there.
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Kuroneko
Location: Tokyo
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 22 on 1/31/2012 1:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by Loki
... You know nothing about what happened that night...
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Sorry, I know exactly what happened: someone died. Others here are of course right too:
o You, me - risk takers - alive.
o Him - risk taker - dead.
There are simple rules for taking risks, as we all do every day, exploring or not. Ignore, or break those simple rules, and you're likely toast. So just ask yourself when taking those risks, 'am I doing everything possible to minimize my exposure?' Simple. Neko.
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Monkeybrainzzz
Location: Cartersville, Georgia
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 23 on 1/31/2012 8:26 PM >
| | | | This happens to people who climb even with gear all the time. Yes, the more trained you are in the skill, the LESS likely you are to fuck up. But there is no such thing as zero chance of fucking up. Period. You can climb for 30 years and simply misjudge a climb one day or decide you want to ignore a gut feeling and push yourself beyond your limitations.
Climbing cranes all the time and knowing some safety rules doesn't make you invincible. We have no idea what this guys level of skill was, but it doesn't matter. The crane could have been wet, he could have been inebriated, or he could have just made a quick mistake. Either way, he's dead. And that's something all free climbers risk.
And as you said at the end of your post -- you can only minimize risk. You cannot eliminate it.
[last edit 1/31/2012 8:27 PM by Monkeybrainzzz - edited 1 times]
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MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
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<Reply # 24 on 2/1/2012 1:08 AM >
| | | | The autopsy will tell for sure, but it's alleged he and his mates were drinking heavy hours before fall.
Alcohol clouds judgement, slows reflexes, and helps deaden the pain of impact.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
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<Reply # 25 on 2/1/2012 1:23 AM >
| | | | I'm quite certain if I were to fall from a crane, an autopsy would reveal alcohol in my blood, though a reasonable amount, and the very act of carefully climbing to the top would be branded in the media as wild risk-taking behaviour.
I'd hope that people on here would be able to see through all the filters and show a little sympathy in that case, and I'm sure you'd probably wish for the same courtesy if it were you.
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Loki
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 26 on 2/1/2012 2:49 AM >
| | | | Posted by Kuroneko
Sorry, I know exactly what happened: someone died. Others here are of course right too:
o You, me - risk takers - alive.
o Him - risk taker - dead.
There are simple rules for taking risks, as we all do every day, exploring or not. Ignore, or break those simple rules, and you're likely toast. So just ask yourself when taking those risks, 'am I doing everything possible to minimize my exposure?' Simple. Neko.
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The fact that he died is all you know, joking that he was a stupid drunk who's death is a benefit to our species just makes you look like an elitist arsehole.
Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank |
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MrSivalls
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<Reply # 27 on 2/1/2012 2:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by Kuroneko
Sorry, I know exactly what happened: someone died. Others here are of course right too:
o You, me - risk takers - alive.
o Him - risk taker - dead.
There are simple rules for taking risks, as we all do every day, exploring or not. Ignore, or break those simple rules, and you're likely toast. So just ask yourself when taking those risks, 'am I doing everything possible to minimize my exposure?' Simple. Neko.
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Bump. truth.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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Neil T
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 28 on 2/1/2012 3:16 PM >
| | | | A sad unfortunate incident. Thoughts are with the family and friends of the deceased.
I am Bidong blog. Traveler. Urban Explorer. Gentle Lover. http://www.iambidong.com |
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Asher0719
Location: MSP
Gender: Female
The World Abandoned
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<Reply # 29 on 2/3/2012 2:57 AM >
| | | | This is really sad. I can't even imagine how his friends felt as they watched him slip and then fall to his death. I also can't imagine the grief his family is dealing with. Like others have said, these forums are full of risk takers, and it could've been any of us or could still be (no matter how morbid that might make me). I've been in a few situations where one wrong move would have resulted in my death, and I'd like to think that if it had a post wouldn't have appeared on these forums similar to this one.
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static2
Location: Chongqing China / Seoul
Gender: Male
| | Re: Crane Climbing - Natural Selection at Work.
<Reply # 30 on 2/8/2012 1:01 PM >
| | | | Australia Day parties around Manly beaches on apartment balconies, I'd be shocked if he didn't have alcohol in his system at 1230am.
Also if he was, as police say walking out onto the main arm of the jib, thats where there is no railing, so that is honestly asking for trouble. Maybe as it sounds he had done this with friends in the weeks leading up to the accident.
And as his parents said on the day of his funeral, "He never seemed to be afraid of anything and he loved to climb.’ Though shame it killed him.
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jerm IX
Location: Somewhere, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
If you can't find something nice to say...say it on UER.
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<Reply # 31 on 2/8/2012 2:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by Kuroneko
Alcohol implied as one cause. No mention of stupidity, and the gene-pool benefits. Neko.
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As has been said, we all take risks, and most of us have done moronic shit under the influence. Who the fuck are you to judge? Especially with information based on an article like this. Show some respect.
Any one of you free climbers could suffer this fate, and i guarantee you that the media will put the blame on you and make you look like an idiot every damn time. You'll be glad to know that they'll be a few of us here who put asshats in their place, and stand up for your legacy. May this young man rest in peace, and his family and friends find peace as well.
Please do us all a favour Neko, and either learn about and grow some compassion, or have a few drinks and climb a wet crane. Dick.
[last edit 2/8/2012 2:07 PM by jerm IX - edited 1 times]
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MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
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<Reply # 32 on 2/8/2012 6:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by jerm IX
As has been said, we all take risks, and most of us have done moronic shit under the influence. Who the fuck are you to judge? Especially with information based on an article like this. Show some respect.
Any one of you free climbers could suffer this fate, and i guarantee you that the media will put the blame on you and make you look like an idiot every damn time. You'll be glad to know that they'll be a few of us here who put asshats in their place, and stand up for your legacy. May this young man rest in peace, and his family and friends find peace as well.
Please do us all a favour Neko, and either learn about and grow some compassion, or have a few drinks and climb a wet crane. Dick.
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epic fail. If you free climb and fall, it's your fault.
This wasn't a hero trying to save someone, couldn't even save themselves, just another person that killed themselves on a lark like a fool.
So far this is just a dead guy with no name.
Neko is a respected member here.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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Captain Stormy
Location: Chicago mostly. Sometimes Minneapolis.
Gender: Male
SO TIGHT THAT IT CHAFED
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<Reply # 33 on 2/8/2012 8:16 PM >
| | | | Amen to everyone showing respect, and shame on everyone passing judgement.
None of us knows exactly what happened. Most of us have knowingly put ourselves in situations where a small slip would have cost us our lives many times. We all make mistakes from time to time, and we all know that someday we might make a mistake that results in life-changing injury or death.
I know that if any explorers I knew personally were to severely injure themselves or die and end up in the news, I would be really disappointed to see other explorers, people who do the same things, condemning him/her. Perhaps calling those who get the short end of the stick and end up in the news stupid or identifying their error helps some of us deal with the risks we take by denying that it could have been any one of us. One would think that we would recognize a kindred spirit and respect what happened to them.
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MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
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<Reply # 34 on 2/8/2012 11:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by Captain Stormy
Amen to everyone showing respect, and shame on everyone passing judgement.
None of us knows exactly what happened. Most of us have knowingly put ourselves in situations where a small slip would have cost us our lives many times. We all make mistakes from time to time, and we all know that someday we might make a mistake that results in life-changing injury or death.
I know that if any explorers I knew personally were to severely injure themselves or die and end up in the news, I would be really disappointed to see other explorers, people who do the same things, condemning him/her. Perhaps calling those who get the short end of the stick and end up in the news stupid or identifying their error helps some of us deal with the risks we take by denying that it could have been any one of us. One would think that we would recognize a kindred spirit and respect what happened to them.
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Explorers? It's more like some friends were partying their brains out and got the bright idea to climb a wet crane in the dark.
Most times people die like this it's by gross error(s). Don't be the next one.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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HagensborgViking
Location: Fernwood, Victoria
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 35 on 2/9/2012 12:55 AM >
| | | | I hope he gets well soon.
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MrSivalls
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I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
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<Reply # 36 on 2/9/2012 2:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by HagensborgViking
I hope he gets well soon.
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Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic urban explorer.
**** ******* will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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CaptOrbit
Location: Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
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<Reply # 37 on 2/9/2012 2:48 AM >
| | | | Lol, but seriously why do so many people on this board just assumed that everyone here free climbs?
The personal responsibility train left the station years ago, and you gave it the finger as you watched it leave. |
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aurelie
Location: pacific northwest
Gender: Female
high tech:: low life.
| | | Re: Crane Climbing - Natural Selection at Work.
<Reply # 38 on 2/9/2012 4:03 AM >
| | | | Most people I know who climb cranes free climb, unless they're there to do something special.
I'm also of the opinion that it doesn't matter who the hell the guy was, if he defined himself as an explorer, if he was someone that any of us knew or not, I still hold respect for his life (and death) and am not going to make assumptions about his character.
All of us have varying levels of what we consider "too risky", but I'm sure that all of us have done something that has crossed that line in the past.
If those of us who climb high things took all precautions to ensure that nothing happened to us, we'd never leave the ground.
He probably knew the risks of what he was doing, however many poor choices he may or may not have made, someone's untimely death is not something that I'm going to feel high and mighty about, nor joke about.
reckless thoughts abide; anachronistic and impulsive.
loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing. |
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cdevon
Location: west county
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 39 on 2/9/2012 5:31 AM >
| | | | gravity, its not just a good idea, its a law.
When I say I'm 'clean and sober', it means I've showered and I'm headed to the liquor store. |
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