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 JaneDoe
  
Location: Manhattan
Gender: Female
 |  | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 41 on 6/24/2010 9:57 PM >
|  | | | Posted by digital_me
theft is taking something that is not yours
burglary is breaking into some place with the intent of committing a crime
e.g., cutting a fence so you can trespass
burglary doesn't necessarily have anything to do with theft, though the two might be combined
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Ah I see, I didn't know that you could be charged for burglary unless you where like robbing a bank or something.
Thanks for the facts yo.
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vov35
 
Location: Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 42 on 6/24/2010 10:08 PM >
| | | | I find it concerning that nobody has mentioned this yet:
Chainlink is a bunch of vertical wires twisted together. clip at the top and bottom (two cuts). untwist.
Leaves a vertical gap that can be stretched open or sealed shut almost unnoticable with some wire ties behind you.
"Only sheep need a shepherd." -- Voltaire |
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Durdan
 
Location: Ybor City, FL
Gender: Male
| |  |  | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 43 on 6/24/2010 11:05 PM >
| | | | pretty sure that was mentioned...
[20:58:22] <3mpolack> i realise that i am the scum of society |
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theshortestsim
Location: New Orleans
Gender: Female
make exploring great again
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 44 on 6/24/2010 11:48 PM >
| | | | You don't have to cut anything. Here's what I do to get in, and then can reverse when I leave, so no one will ever know.
Look at the photo under Step 7 of this unrelated article:
http://www.yourfen...linstall/index.htm
That wire that goes around that pole there? There are wires like that at the bottom of the fence, holding the chain-link to frame. Bring a nice multi-tool with pliers, and unwrap a few, enough to lift the chain link and slide under. When you leave, slide back under and wrap them back around. Not a trace you were there.
Adventure is out there. |
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NHUrbex
Location: NH, USA
Gender: Male
You can always find me chilling on a rooftop.. Ironically, I'm not a fan of heights. Just views...
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 45 on 7/11/2010 3:08 PM >
| | | | If you use cutters, cut as close to the poles as possible. It's less noticable.
Behind every mistake, there is a lesson.
I'm just not that great at learning them! |
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Jester
 
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 46 on 7/16/2010 6:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by don_corleyone
it would be much easier to cut the fence. if you cut a vertical slit, you can get in and it's hard to notice when walking by.
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Getting into anything is "easier" if you just vandalize it.
Ever heard "Take only pictures, Leave only footprints."?
I've got to say its pretty disappointing to see people suggesting to a new explorer, to damage a site to gain entry. Just like any site, there are usually options that do not involve destruction of property, you just have to be creative and thorough in looking for the options.
Quite simply, we don't need to teach new explorers how to be common vandals, we need to teach them how not to be.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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DirtMcGirt
Location: Dallas, Texas
Gender: Male
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 47 on 7/16/2010 6:48 PM >
| | | | A big part of the fun of UE is finding an acceptable POE without damaging anything or leaving any signs of entry.
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person
Location: cincinnati
Gender: Male
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 48 on 7/17/2010 12:15 AM >
| | | | Snipping a fence just enough to squeeze under or through it is barely vandalism... at least compared to tagging, paintballing, shooting drugs and leaving the AIDS infested needles lying all over the place, and all the usual stuff that people do in vacant buildings.
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 49 on 7/17/2010 12:24 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Getting into anything is "easier" if you just vandalize it.
Ever heard "Take only pictures, Leave only footprints."?
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yes - and it's the sierra club's MOTTO, not urban exploring's RULE. and i find it to be one of the most idiotic things i've ever heard when describing how one should treat a derelict abandoned building.
he's talking about a fence with razor wire, not a string or three of barbed wire. i'm also hoping he's smart enough to not cut a person-shaped hole, but rather a vertical slit that can be hidden from security and "common vandals". depending on the site, sometimes i even re-secure the fence after i'm done.
speaking of common vandals, i'm sure you've used a few of their entrances to get inside somewhere you've wanted to go before. hey, if there's already a hole or a broken window or door, use it, right? or would you rather walk away? if i have to cut a lock to get inside, so be it. i'll replace it, and then i have a key - and noone's the wiser.
for those playing the home game, the second most idiotic thing i've heard is "UE mission".
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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Durdan
Location: Ybor City, FL
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 50 on 7/17/2010 2:41 AM >
| | | | Posted by don_corleyone
and i find it to be one of the most idiotic things i've ever heard when describing how one should treat a derelict abandoned building.
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i think when it comes to exploring, its still quite fitting. most explorers are in it for the experience and enjoy knowing that they left it exactly as they found it for others to enjoy as well.
[20:58:22] <3mpolack> i realise that i am the scum of society |
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Yield
Location: Look behind you
Gender: Male
I'd do you for a klondike bar
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 51 on 7/17/2010 6:33 PM >
| | | | YAY ethics debate #923579234792652
Screw the guy who actually asked a great question and let's fight about the answers. How about, there are many kinds of explorers, some very ethical and some not, give him all of his options and let him decide what kind he wants to be? You can't be anybody's mother on the internet, but at the same time telling them ONLY negative ways to get into a place is sure to send them in a bad direction. This thread seems to have a fair amount of both in it.
Also, UE mission is the #1 most moronic phrase I've ever heard.
Back to razor wire: I'm curious as to whether there's a specific set-up you're trying to figure out or if you're just asking for general info. Perhaps we could help find another way in if we knew exactly what was going on or had photographs to reference 
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 52 on 7/18/2010 12:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by don_corleyone
yes - and it's the sierra club's MOTTO, not urban exploring's RULE. and i find it to be one of the most idiotic things i've ever heard when describing how one should treat a derelict abandoned building.
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Actually, the context I was hoping you'd see was that it was the motto touted by a Ninj.
Everything that gets explored isn't abandoned... Nor does something being "abandoned" mean it magically doesn't belong to someone that isn't you. Whether "abandoned" or not, destroying any part of the property isn't trespassing, its far more serious.
Posted by don_corleyone
speaking of common vandals, i'm sure you've used a few of their entrances to get inside somewhere you've wanted to go before. hey, if there's already a hole or a broken window or door, use it, right? or would you rather walk away?
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I've written quite a number of times about the parasitic nature of explorers. Yes, we do take advantage of openings which appear, without creating them. There is quite a difference between seeing an opening and passing through it, and cutting or smashing an opening. Not just in semantics but in legality.
Posted by Yield
YAY ethics debate #923579234792652
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While I'm sure you've seen and learnt everything thats ever graced these forums, as evident by your 6 month star... Its always funny how its ok to say "hey just break this or that", but if someone says its wrong to destroy property which isn't yours, someone throws the "omg ethics debate" crap in the air. People sometimes forget that actions can be followed by consequences. Teaching a newer explorer to take the risk of destroying property to gain entry is quite frankly setting him up for a much more serious problem if he's caught. Of course its his choice how to do it, but really, I'd have to think that any moron can come up with "cut the fence" as is evident from the random destruction that happens, but I'd think he was hoping for better help than that.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 53 on 7/18/2010 12:49 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Actually, the context I was hoping you'd see was that it was the motto touted by a Ninj.
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i know exactly what you meant, and it doesn't change my opinion one iota.
Posted by Jester
Everything that gets explored isn't abandoned... Nor does something being "abandoned" mean it magically doesn't belong to someone that isn't you. Whether "abandoned" or not, destroying any part of the property isn't trespassing, its far more serious.
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sometimes the juice is worth the squeeze.
Posted by Jester
I've written quite a number of times about the parasitic nature of explorers. Yes, we do take advantage of openings which appear, without creating them. There is quite a difference between seeing an opening and passing through it, and cutting or smashing an opening. Not just in semantics but in legality.
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not where i live. and do you think i'm gonna admit to cutting/breaking/smashing anything? fuck no, dude - it was like that when i got here.
Posted by Jester
People sometimes forget that actions can be followed by consequences. Teaching a newer explorer to take the risk of destroying property to gain entry is quite frankly setting him up for a much more serious problem if he's caught. Of course its his choice how to do it, but really, I'd have to think that any moron can come up with "cut the fence" as is evident from the random destruction that happens, but I'd think he was hoping for better help than that.
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let's go back to the original context of my reply you quoted. i was responding to trent's idea to dig under the fence. i said it'd be easier to cut it. i'm sure any cop or judge would dole out the same consequence to the person who gets caught doing either. so, i'm curious: barring any other acceptable modes of crossing the razor wire, which are you gonna do? break your back digging a hole, cut a couple snips in a fence and sneak thru, or walk away? i don't recall you giving any suggestions to the kid's question.
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 54 on 7/18/2010 3:07 AM >
| | | | Posted by don_corleyone
i know exactly what you meant, and it doesn't change my opinion one iota.
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I guess you're just wiser than he ever was.
Posted by don_corleyone
not where i live. and do you think i'm gonna admit to cutting/breaking/smashing anything? fuck no, dude - it was like that when i got here.
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Where you live they don't have laws about destruction of property? Burglary? Trespassing isn't the same, sorry.
You simply sound like any other thief "I didn't do that, it was like that". except sometimes people get caught while doing something. hard to say you didn't do it if they see you cutting. Of course, its impossible to catch you right? It hasn't happened yet, so clearly it couldn't happen.
Posted by don_corleyone
so, i'm curious: barring any other acceptable modes of crossing the razor wire, which are you gonna do? break your back digging a hole, cut a couple snips in a fence and sneak thru, or walk away? i don't recall you giving any suggestions to the kid's question.
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1. Digging a hole under a fence that can fit a person isn't back breaking work. you're not digging a tunnel to drive through, just enough to slide a person under.
2. Been to plenty of places with razor wire and always found a way. My view on that tends to be that if you're good you'll find a way, if you're not, you'll find cutters.
3. Each site is different. razor wire is not the same at each site, depending on how they deploy it can make a big difference. How they handled it at each fence post and especially corner posts, whether the fence is down into the ground and if it is dirt or like at places such as prisons, cemented in, did they also lay rolls on the ground at the foot of the fence, etc. There isn't a blanket "do this" statement that will be the solution everywhere. And then in any "solution" the persons skill comes into play. Can he climb over it even if there is a reasonable point to do so?
I guess the only positive from this is at least you're not a fake, who'd say he wouldn't do it, but actually does, so i have to at least give you credit for that bit of "integrity".
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Speed
Location: Philly area
Gender: Male
Retired Explorer
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 55 on 7/18/2010 4:09 AM >
| | | | seriously...
save the fuckin ethics lecture for someone who actually gives a flyin fuck what you think.
personally I (and many other members here I'm sure) couldnt care less about your moral station in life or what you think about us cutting something.
get over yourself......
R.I.P. NickSan | R.I.P. Don Corleyone |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 56 on 7/18/2010 5:04 AM >
| | | | Posted by Speed
seriously...
save the fuckin ethics lecture for someone who actually gives a flyin fuck what you think.
personally I (and many other members here I'm sure) couldnt care less about your moral station in life or what you think about us cutting something.
get over yourself......
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You cared so little you had to launch into a rant, swearing in reply? Seems kind of contradictory. When you don't care, why post? Generally its when you do care or something hit a nerve that people react like that.
Absolutely, I agree, there are going to be plenty of members who would simply cut or smash something, and mentioning ethics tends to hit a nerve in those people.
What exactly is bad about making sure a new explorer is aware that vandalizing a site to gain entry has the potential for more serious charges if caught?
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
| | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 57 on 7/18/2010 5:30 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
I guess you're just wiser than he ever was.
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i don't need a copy of "access all areas" with some of the pages stuck together under my pillow to tell me how to explore. there's more than one way to skin a cat, dude.
the kid came in asking a question. some of us offered up ideas; you dragged out a soapbox and started preaching. and pretty much insulted the guy in the process by suggesting he couldn't hear a few different ideas and make his own decision. everyone in here knows what the goddamn consequences are.
Posted by Jester
I guess the only positive from this is at least you're not a fake, who'd say he wouldn't do it, but actually does, so i have to at least give you credit for that bit of "integrity".
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you're an idiot.
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 58 on 7/18/2010 5:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by don_corleyone
i don't need a copy of "access all areas" with some of the pages stuck together under my pillow to tell me how to explore. there's more than one way to skin a cat, dude.
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Definitely there are quite a few ways around whatever is in the way, and like I said, if you're good you'll find a way, if you're not, you'll find cutters. At no point did I suggest reading that book, though you may need to look in the dictionary to understand what "explore" means as it seems you're confusing it with "vandalize". They actually aren't the same thing! Strangely, cutting a fence falls directly into the definition of vandalizing.
Posted by don_corleyone
everyone in here knows what the goddamn consequences are.
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The problem is "everyone knows" everything, half the time without a clue as to what the actual consequences could be, or how some small changes in what they did can effect that.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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SaraBellum
Berkshire Hunt
Location: Villa Villekulla
Gender: Female
Coming to a cinema near you this summer.
| | | Re: how to get over razor wire
<Reply # 59 on 7/18/2010 6:16 AM >
| | | | The official position of UER is to take only photos, leave only foot prints.
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