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1 2 3 4 5 6 7  UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > UE bike roadtrip (Viewed 2481 times) mr.v  Location: Rhode Island Gender: Male "Man cannot separate means and enlightenment"  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 120 on 2/18/2010 7:41 PM >   Posted by bfinan0 There really isn't anywhere to camp [legally] along the canal path. I already looked at that before figuring out to go north in the first place. Okay, let's get this straight. You're scared of camping for ONE NIGHT on someone else's untended/ignored land. Posting a forum dedicated to essentially "illegal" activity. With the intent of actively exploring abandoned constructions (more "illegal" than camping on the side of the road) And at least here in RI, it's fair game to camp/trespass if they haven't got the boundary marked with those "POSTED: NO TRESPASSING, HUNTING, OR FISHING" signs every 20-30 feet. So even while camping in those woods is technically illegal, you've probably got less of a chance of being caught than when doing actual UE. Not to mention there'd be less consequence if you were actually caught (even if it was marked). Might as well quote Woodie Guthrie: "As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there And that sign said - no trespassin' But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin! Now that side was made for you and me!" bfinan0  Location: Rochester, NY Gender: Male  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 121 on 2/18/2010 8:47 PM >   Posted by DevilC [115] Maybe you need sled dogs? I hear huskies are a hearty pulling breed. UE dogsledding? Maybe we can go explore Scott, Shackleton and Byrd's abandoned Antarctic basses while we're at it. Posted by trent [116] Yup. You're basically training for a mini-Appalachian Trail...on a bike. From people that have done the trail, beforehand you need to be out there every day training cold or hot, rain or snow. You need to enjoy the shitty conditions and long days now in training or you're not going to enjoy them on your trip and it will suck. Training hard now will also let you know if you're really up for it. Go ride some trails today. Riding through cold snowy paths might be similar to riding through cold muddy paths in the spring time. As far as the distance, yes; however, if route 3 (or 31 for that matter) is muddy in the spring, we have a bigger problem than just weather. Posted by mr. v [118] Okay, let's get this straight. You're scared of camping for ONE NIGHT on someone else's untended/ignored land. Posting a forum dedicated to essentially "illegal" activity. With the intent of actively exploring abandoned constructions (more "illegal" than camping on the side of the road) And at least here in RI, it's fair game to camp/trespass if they haven't got the boundary marked with those "POSTED: NO TRESPASSING, HUNTING, OR FISHING" signs every 20-30 feet. So even while camping in those woods is technically illegal, you've probably got less of a chance of being caught than when doing actual UE. Not to mention there'd be less consequence if you were actually caught (even if it was marked). I admit I was wrong here...the part of the canal trail that I know is that 15 miles each side of Rochester where it is all suburbs and mostly built-up. Maybe further out from the cities, finding ignored, wooded land is more possible. Might as well quote Woodie Guthrie: "As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there And that sign said - no trespassin' But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin! Now that side was made for you and me!" I had to look that one up; they definitely don't teach that verse in the schools (although it is indeed there). Jannx  Location: on Location Gender: Male stay low  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 122 on 2/18/2010 9:36 PM >   this is the "best-est" ever thread on UER! ue.. it ain't what it usta be... mr.v  Location: Rhode Island Gender: Male "Man cannot separate means and enlightenment"  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 123 on 2/18/2010 9:37 PM >   Yeah, surprisingly enough they took that stanza out when teaching it to schoolkids bfinan0  Location: Rochester, NY Gender: Male  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 124 on 2/18/2010 11:22 PM >   Posted by mr.v Yeah, surprisingly enough they took that stanza out when teaching it to schoolkids I seriously thought you made it up for the purpose of this thread until i found his actual performance of the song, with all 7 of the 5 stanzas I knew! bfinan0  Location: Rochester, NY Gender: Male  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 125 on 2/18/2010 11:50 PM >   Just to summarize seeing as this is the 123rd post and most people are probably tl;dr-ing by now, what I have learned from this discussion is: 1. Riding during the day will work better than at night 2. I should learn more than I already do about bike repair, or have someone ready to take me home when something fails. 3. I need to be able to ride 40 miles / 80km a day to train before the actual trip 4. Going to the Adirondacks might be the best idea, or it might not be, depending who I ask 5. Nothing much would happen if I camped on the side of a road in a farmer's field (still not sure I believe this one) 6. Weight is easier to carry on the bike frame, than on my back (does this change if I find I need to walk the bike up some of the larger hills/mountains?) 7. It would be idiotic to try this trip without bringing some form of shelter and having to rely on sleeping in abandonments 8. In all likelihood I am going to fail (which I can accept; it's still an adventure). trent  I'm Trent! Get Bent! Location: Drainwhale hunting Gender: Male Not on UER anymore.  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 126 on 2/19/2010 12:07 AM >   Posted by bfinan0 5. Nothing much would happen if I camped on the side of a road in a farmer's field (still not sure I believe this one) I don't think anyone said farmers fields. But I believe camping in woods was mentioned and state parks along the way was. And not along the road, but along the canal path far enough back from it not to draw attention to yourself. Also, often away from towns there often are roads along the canal, but usually only on one side of it. Cross a bridge and go to the other side at night. He who rules the underground, rules the city above. rob.i.am  Gender: Male Carpe noctum  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 127 on 2/19/2010 12:12 AM >   2. I should learn more than I already do about bike repair, or have someone ready to take me home when if something fails. 8. In all likelihood I am going to fail I may fail (which I can accept; it's still an adventure). [last edit 2/19/2010 12:13 AM by rob.i.am - edited 1 times] http://www.flickr.com/photos/rob666/ trent  I'm Trent! Get Bent! Location: Drainwhale hunting Gender: Male Not on UER anymore.  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 128 on 2/19/2010 1:22 AM >   rob, I see motivational speaker as a career option for you. He who rules the underground, rules the city above. rob.i.am  Gender: Male Carpe noctum  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 129 on 2/19/2010 1:29 AM >   Posted by trent rob, I see motivational speaker as a career option for you. Televangelists make more money. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rob666/ bfinan0  Location: Rochester, NY Gender: Male  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 130 on 2/19/2010 1:38 AM >   Posted by rob666 2. I should learn more than I already do about bike repair, or have someone ready to take me home when if something fails. 8. In all likelihood I am going to fail I may fail (which I can accept; it's still an adventure). I was summarizing what was said to me; also, I think I might succeed, but I really don't care, I'd just like to try, and see how far I get. rob.i.am  Gender: Male Carpe noctum  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 131 on 2/19/2010 1:58 AM >   Posted by bfinan0 I was summarizing what was said to me; also, I think I might succeed, but I really don't care, I'd just like to try, and see how far I get. Your excessive focus on failure ensures that failure. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rob666/ KingKong  Location: Pittsburgh PA / Rochester NY Gender: Male Insert artistic / badass sounding phrase here.  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 132 on 2/19/2010 2:16 AM >   http://www.parktool.com/repair/ That is where I would start as far as increasing your knowledge about bike repair. Maybe some youtube videos will be helpful as well. I would emphasise learning how to: -Change a tire/tube -allign a derailer -configure/repair cockpit controls (anything on your handlebars) -repairing/replacing chains and freewheels -tightening headsets -crankset maintainance -truing/tightening wheels and brakes I would also recommend taking the following parts and tools with you: -Tire levers and AT LEAST 2 spare tubes -mini tire pump -chain pin tool -extra chain links and pins (at least 3) -a roll of electrical tape -a GOOD set of allen wrenches that fit your bike -phillips and flat screwdrivers -pliers with built-in cable cutters -a couple of zip-ties -spare shifter cable -spare brake pad set Lastly, for a trip like this, I would suggest that if your bike doesn't already have these, get them: -A comfortable seat that you can climb hills with -new cables and brake pads (break them in before you go) -bar ends (look them up, they're worth it) Go here for all your online cycling needs!: www.pricepoint.com Air  Location: Canada  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 133 on 2/19/2010 2:27 AM >   Posted by rob666 Your excessive focus on failure ensures that failure. Its good to be realistic. I just wish he would go for a ride instead. "The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist rob.i.am  Gender: Male Carpe noctum  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 134 on 2/19/2010 2:32 AM >   Posted by Air 33 Its good to be realistic. I just wish he would go for a ride instead. Recognizing that failure is a possibility is ok. Being prepared for the possibility of failure is commendable. Obsessing about failure's inevitability? No. He talks himself to failure before he leaves the front door. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rob666/ bfinan0  Location: Rochester, NY Gender: Male  |  |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 135 on 2/19/2010 5:09 AM >   Posted by rob666 Recognizing that failure is a possibility is ok. Being prepared for the possibility of failure is commendable. Obsessing about failure's inevitability? No. He talks himself to failure before he leaves the front door. Need I bring back in all my references to failing? [post 0] then when I get as far as I have time for, taking a greyhound bus home, leaving the bike wherever i finish [post 7] So it may or may not be reasonable, is the consensus? I know I would need to practice to get up to 37 miles a day, but it is definitely still more possible for me than any alternative I could come up with, since it is far too long of a distance to walk and I don't expect to have a car in the foreseeable future. [post 20] That would explain that part; still, your suggestion to "start small" with a longer trip than I was looking at to begin with, and a much more difficult one logistically, I don't see the point. [post 44] Right now it's still a snowy mess, but once things warm up to 35-40F and the bike trails melt, I'll start. The farthest I've gone before is 28m, which took me just under 3 hours if i remember correctly. Seeing as I have 5 times that per day if I need it, I'm not too worried about distance [post 62/63] You can get killed any night of the week ... When was the last time you spent five or six hours outside ... In April at night in the rain/sleet, covered in sweat and so exhausted you can't keep yourself warm as we were climbing Mt Colden, temperatures dropped to +14°F with a windchill of -24 and a driving snow. And the next day, it got up to +80 with a heat index...I know what Nature can do that time of year, because I've been there. You're probably right; maybe I'd fall a few hundred miles short and have to end it in Fulton, Palermo or Watertown, before I even got to where I was trying to go. I still wouldn't be any worse off [post 65] I know there's a degree of risk involved, as there is in any adventure; however, if I can prepare at least to some extent, and have an emergency plan for when/if it all goes to shit, you're right I should at least survive it. How I see it is, even if I fail and only get 1/3 of the way, it's still an adventure, and there isn't much to be gained from going a much shorter (1-2 day) distance except as practice, at least from an exploring point of view, since places within that range (36 miles at most) I've either already been to, or can go to on Rochester meets or etc. [post 73] You are looking at the logistics of this, while ignoring its basic motivation, to go farther than I ordinarily would be able to, to try to seize an opportunity (8 days of freedom to go somewhere and explore with), to find my limit (and in all likelihood exceed it and have to bail: you can know that I am planning to fail as much as to succeed). Just because I have a week and want to go on a longer exploration, doesn't mean I'm trying to make up for anything. (Obviously, it's a result of not being able to do as normal people would and take a car on such a trip, but it's ambition, not compensation, to ignore that fact and try to go anyway) [post 74] I will count it as almost a definite that I will fail in this endeavor, and have to bail out from somewhere nearer than Plattsburg; even if that were the case, it would still be an adventure, and will still accomplish what I would like to do. I arrived at the supposed "inevitability of failure", yes, but motivated by a desire to try something ambitious, to try to find and pass my limits of what I can do. -MisfitStyle-   |  Re: UE bike roadtrip <Reply # 136 on 2/19/2010 5:20 AM >   Go hop on a bike! "I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window." Need help? 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