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 The Anti-Paradigm
      
Location: -HTX-
Gender: Male
Against the Flow
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<Reply # 60 on 7/5/2010 12:55 AM >
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im pretty much the first person not talking about the gun, lol
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Me too!
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Ashes in the Snow
Location: Raleigh, NC
Gender: Male
Ladder Addict
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 61 on 7/5/2010 5:54 AM >
| | | | Paradigm- I like the knife... I've been looking into getting a sheath knife soon.
Posted by Chris-Kicker
im pretty much the first person not talking about the gun, lol
I've got the same little tripod.. its really useful for only being $20. easier to get set up in tight spaces
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It was a great tripod. I actually just gave away the larger one to a fellow UER'er, and picked up a more sturdy and durable metal one... still not that heavy though.
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The Anti-Paradigm
Location: -HTX-
Gender: Male
Against the Flow
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<Reply # 62 on 7/5/2010 3:59 PM >
| | | | My tripod, the one in the pic is a hulking beast. I had a 20 dollar one, but I sold it with my camcorder on ebay. I need it back.
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jinx13
Location: Peninsula, San Francisco Bay Area
Gender: Male
| | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 63 on 9/29/2010 7:11 PM >
| | | | I've never done more than day trips so my kit is pretty light:
Camera Kit:
Camera
Polarizers
Tripod
Spare battery
Spare memory cards
1 L Sigg bottle
D-cell Maglite
Leatherman
Gloves:
old batting gloves
First Aid Kit:
Bandages
Alcohol swabs
Hand Sanitizer
One triangle bandage
2x cliff bars
Shemagh
Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law. |
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pkrearden
Location: Funkytown, TX
Gender: Male
| | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 64 on 10/8/2010 4:01 PM >
| | | | really it depends on the abandonment or tunnel or drain or what the hell ever it is I'm going to be exploring.
"there is no devil, there's just god when he drinks." - Tom Waits |
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The_Trooper
Location: San Diego, CA
Gender: Male
| | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 65 on 10/9/2010 10:59 PM >
| | | | No one packs water or food?
mind=blown...
That's what I pack a shitload of..
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jinx13
Location: Peninsula, San Francisco Bay Area
Gender: Male
| | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 66 on 10/13/2010 3:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by The_Trooper
No one packs water or food?
mind=blown...
That's what I pack a shitload of..
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I always bring 1 L of water but I never seem to go through it. Better safe than sorry though.
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 67 on 10/14/2010 12:24 AM >
| | | | After reading every response, I'm going to weigh in with my opinion of the gun issue. Let me first start off by saying I love guns and think they have their use's and proper places. What i believe though is that a PISTOL has no place in UE. If you truely carry a pistol for protection purpose's only in the wilderness, why not bring a rifle or something of that sort, thats actually ment for killing animals. I think you brought up the fact you own a pistol for the shock value, pure and simple. Ive lived in city's a good chunk of my life and hobo's dont generally carry firearms. They pawned anything worth of value a long time ago. Homeless people arent really what you think they are dude. 99 percent of them just want to be left the fuck alone. The only reason you'd ever need one is if you ran into a drug den or lab. In which case your pistol isnt going to outgun what they got. All your going to do carrying a pistol around is accidently shoot someone.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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Elektrik_Huntress
Location: Morrisville
Gender: Female
So Sick And Tired Of The Waiting
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<Reply # 68 on 10/14/2010 12:39 AM >
| | | | I don't carry a gun with me, mostly because I don't own one at the moment. I do, however, carry a knife with me. It makes me feel better and you never know when you are going to need one and what for. I know that this makes me a total girlie girl (which I am, and I have no issue with that) but I use it for spiderwebs sometimes, mostly because I don't want it on me, but I also don't want to get close enough to get bitten by anything. I also think that Black Widows are everywhere all the time. Haha! Go paranoia!
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Therrin
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Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 69 on 10/14/2010 11:49 PM >
| | | | | The only reason you'd ever need one is if you ran into a drug den or lab. In which case your pistol isnt going to outgun what they got. All your going to do carrying a pistol around is accidently shoot someone. |
Funny... I've taken a pistol on dozens of mining excursions and I've never once accidentally shot someone. That sounds more like a statement coming from someone who is incompetent at carrying a firearm properly, or is purely uninformed. Your statement of "What i believe though is that a PISTOL has no place in UE.", is what we colloquially call a "blanket statement", and it also shows lack of a drawn-out thought process.
Just because in the places that you UE it would be unecessary, does not mean that for 100% of all locations that one might UE, it would also be so.
Granted, if I'm going draining, or a few miles down the road to the power station, it would be totally needless and a really bad idea all together.
But if I'm taking several thousand dollars worth of equipment and possibly also explorer friends who are female to a mining area in a secluded location 50 miles out in the desert, having no clue whether I'll come across some maniac, or drunk/drugged people with firearms, or people cooking meth in a mineshaft, or any other potentially dangerous situation... you can damn well bet that I won't be doing it just hoping that everyone leaves me alone if I leave them alone.
When I was exploring shafts in Arizona I had been warned about illegals and druggies storing and cooking drugs in the shafts in the area I was in. That isn't even uncommon in Ca.
We had been invited to assist in a body recovery in the mines out here several months ago. If you follow that thought process out far enough, it means that you could conceivably show up at a mine where someone else is intending to dump a body. OF SOMEONE THEY MURDERED.
Might I also point out, part of your post doesn't exactly jive with the rest of your post. You say that PISTOLS have no place in UE, and insist that PISTOLS do not give someone the capability of protecting one's self. Then mention that a rifle would be far better.
While personally I'd prefer my shotgun over a rifle in that situation, I'm wondering if you're suggesting that a RIFLE/SHOTGUN *does* have a place in UE?
To me, a pistol is something I can carry which isn't overly heavy, isn't cumbersome to carry, doesn't stick out like a sore thumb, and affords me a level of protection which I find to be adequate for the situations I might encounter.
While there's a good chance that I could be "out gunned" by only having a pistol, I'd rather have one, than not have anything at all. I'm perfectly satisfied with my competency of using a pistol. But I can see how folks who DONT shoot on a biweekly basis, DONT practice combat shooting scenarios, or who only go plinking with bullseye targets at the range would feel incompetent with their own skills of defending themselves with such a weapon.
I have an AZ CCW, which allows me to carry concealed in...I think 28 states or so.
Reading back over my post here, I feel satisfied that I have countered the topic in a well-thought-out manner; that I've stated how it is for ME, as well as my reasons for when I would take one, and when I would not. My actions are my own. I do not require that anyone else carries one, and I don't think it's my place to say 100% what other people should or shouldn't do. Except that most people will take precautions they find necessary to protect themselves, given the tools and training they have. Those who have no tools, or are incompetent with what they have, I agree, should not be carrying them.
For all the people who said "I've never been in a situation where I've needed one", Yeah, me neither. It not having happened doesn't mean I won't prepare for the possibility.
That argument is similar to refusing to wear a seatbelt because you've never been in a car accident. Or not having fire insurance for your house because your house has never caught fire before. It's something you do as a means of preparation against the unknown, especially when you have background info which gives you a higher likelihood of something happening in an area.
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I've seen his skills first hand...and Ima have to call BS on this.
Not only did I have to hook up and light his trail stove for him because he was carrying around a stove he didn't know how to use; but he also had me take it apart when he was done, because he wasn't paying attention when I put it together. He basically threw a fit to get me to do it, saying he didn't want to get white gas on his hands.
Having knives and an airsoft gun don't compare on any remote level to owning firearms and being competent at carrying and shooting them.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 70 on 10/15/2010 12:05 AM >
| | | | Generally those who know why they would or would not carry a weapon should, those who have to ask if it's acceptable probably shouldn't.
just as deadly as a pistol or knife:
given the element of surprise and knowledge where to stick it.
(/what she said)
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 71 on 10/15/2010 12:07 AM >
| | | | Had you read my reply, instead of skimming over it, you would have seen that i had said rifles/shotguns are more adapted to defending one self with against animals. Now how is having a rifle or any fire arm out of place at all in the wilderness? THat is why you said you needed one am i not correct?
It just sounds like your hoping for the day you can take another human beings life. If you know they're meth labs and it's a frequent place for people to drop bodies, why risk it? in theory yes you should be able to go were ever you want to, but to tempt fate by almost gaurenteeing a confrontation some were down the line is just ridiculous. You come across as some one who uses UE as thinly vieled excuse to eventualy commit justified homocide. All i know is id never explore with anyone like you dude, you sound like a wako. I bet you belong to some survivalist groups too.
p.s. illegals? serously? they have no interest in you they just want to get were theyre going, if you dont try no retard stuff like trying a citizens arrest on them they have no reason to harm you. most likely they'll do theyre best to avoid you period.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 72 on 10/15/2010 12:21 AM >
| | | | Posted by compaq12986
Had you read my reply, instead of skimming over it, you would have seen that i had said rifles/shotguns are more adapted to defending one self with against animals. Now how is having a rifle or any fire arm out of place at all in the wilderness? THat is why you said you needed one am i not correct?
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Pot, meet kettle. Go back and re-read his entire post he answered everything you posted above and below:
It just sounds like your hoping for the day you can take another human beings life. If you know they're meth labs and it's a frequent place for people to drop bodies, why risk it? in theory yes you should be able to go were ever you want to, but to tempt fate by almost gaurenteeing a confrontation some were down the line is just ridiculous. You come across as some one who uses UE as thinly vieled excuse to eventualy commit justified homocide. All i know is id never explore with anyone like you dude, you sound like a wako. I bet you belong to some survivalist groups too.
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Walking down the wrong street two blocks from my college at dusk is more likely to provide me with a justifiable homicide than the majority of places I've explored. If that was his intention why would go into the desert seeking a 1:1,000,000 chance encounter when he could wander the wrong areas of a small city for a few nights and get a statistically guaranteed one.
I find it ironic in a hobby dedicated to taking risks one would criticize another for taking risks or making a decision to lower the risk.
And the only risk not worth taking is one with a damn near guaranteed outcome but then again it wouldn't be a risk then would it? A risk by definition is an action with an uncertain undesirable outcome. Some people only feel alive when they are pushing the limits of their own existence; I am one of these people.
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Therrin
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Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 73 on 10/15/2010 12:27 AM >
| | | | .... srsly?
You're apparently oblivious to all illegals who pack drugs into this country, as opposed to the ones who're just trying to get here to make a living.
You made no adjustment in your previous statement for firearms being okay if its "wilderness", but now you're saying that's fine. Before you said they have no place in UE...so....what if I'm UE'ing in the wilderness? (That's the trap of making blanket statements... be carefull).
About the "it sounding like I'm itching to shoot someone" statement....
I think it's really sad how you can have your crappy little argument ripped to shreds, where I have clearly stated that it is purely for protection, so you throw a fit and devise some scheme by which you suggest I'm interested in killing people.
Why go if it's dangerous?? As thought the act of exploring mine's isn't dangerous itself right?
Lemme ask you this....
You know that people die every day in car accidents, but you still drive yes?
You even drive to places when you're going "just for fun" outside of actual work right?
Given the IMMENSELY higher number of auto accident related deaths, to the type of thing we're talking about... which argument seems more absurd?
It's so easy for you people, you don't know SHIT about the subject you pick to talk about, but it doesn't keep you from getting on here and spurting out crap all over the threads anyway. You take what you think you know, from having no experience, or seeing something on TV, and you just shit all over the place with your ignorance.
Apparently now people who choose to protect themselves are secretly homicidal maniacs.
There are no mexicans transporting drugs into the USA from Mexico.
If something is dangerous or there is risk involved, you shouldn't do it.
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 74 on 10/15/2010 12:33 AM >
| | | | Walking down the wrong street two blocks from my college at dusk is more likely to provide me with a justifiable homicide than the majority of places I've explored. If that was his intention why would go into the desert seeking a 1:1,000,000 chance encounter when he could wander the wrong areas of a small city for a few nights and get a statistically guaranteed one. [/quote]
What i gathered from reading it is that he mainly carries one for protection from animals. But refuses to carry a rifle because theyre heavier. He purposly goes into mine shafts he knows is frequently used for meth labs, drug dens and places were people dump bodies. He also adds that he's paranoid that drunken locals will take pot shots at him. Honestly it just seems like too much.
And to as to your city reference, Ive lived on hamilton hill in the 4 block of schenectady. If you carry thousands of dollars worth of camera equipment in areas like that, than you sir are an idiot. if your going to stroll down the street like that your asking for it. Situations and places like that its better to bring the minimal amount of expensive equipment as necessary. Those are the kind of places you bring your back up camera that you dont care what happens to it. and dont walk around flashing it about.
It all comes down to common sense. You can pretty much go any were aslong as your smart about it. But dont act as if by having a pistol your magically going to be safe. a rifle is more than adequate to defend your self against animals and you have just as good of a chance with a rifle agianst humans as you do a pistol.
I guess the big question is why even put yourself in the position of needing to take another human beings life in the first place?
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 75 on 10/15/2010 12:40 AM >
| | | | Posted by compaq12986
What i gathered from reading it is that he mainly carries one for protection from animals. But refuses to carry a rifle because theyre heavier. He purposly goes into mine shafts he knows is frequently used for meth labs, drug dens and places were people dump bodies. He also adds that he's paranoid that drunken locals will take pot shots at him. Honestly it just seems like too much.
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he addressed it in his reply .
And to as to your city reference, Ive lived on hamilton hill in the 4 block of schenectady. If you carry thousands of dollars worth of camera equipment in areas like that, than you sir are an idiot. if your going to stroll down the street like that your asking for it. Situations and places like that its better to bring the minimal amount of expensive equipment as necessary. Those are the kind of places you bring your back up camera that you dont care what happens to it. and dont walk around flashing it about.
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who says all of that is camera gear? Climbing gear (pawn shops), camping gear, his vehicle ... all of these are things that would be tempting to illegals who aren't in the American legal system (to address your other point)
It all comes down to common sense. You can pretty much go any were aslong as your smart about it. But dont act as if by having a pistol your magically going to be safe. a rifle is more than adequate to defend your self against animals and you have just as good of a chance with a rifle agianst humans as you do a pistol.
I guess the big question is why even put yourself in the position of needing to take another human beings life in the first place?
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he addressed his preference already: weight and ergonomics. Dude's rappelling into mines ... not the place to bring a bulky rifle.
I'm sure he's not going to willingly put himself in such a position but is ready should it occur beyond his control.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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Therrin
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Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 76 on 10/15/2010 12:40 AM >
| | | | Compaq,
Seriously, this time I got somewhere into the second paragraph and stopped reading.
I didn't say camera equipment...I just said equipment. Climbing gear, gas detector, several coils of rope, vertical rope gear, lighting systems, etc.
I'm sure it's nice to UE locations where you can just take what you're wearing and a camera, but the locations I'm talking about you can't sometimes even get INTO, let alone to the bottom of, unless you have all the gear required for it.
My guess is you've never been in a mine. I'd like to see you gain entrance to a drift system that's located down a 200' vertical shaft, and squeeze through a partially collapsed opening with a rifle!
You don't know jack about firearms, everything you say about them reinforces that fact. You've said nothing of calibers, of types of the rifle or pistol, of distance or number of targets. Yet you suppose that in all situations one is good and one isn't. No concept of a persons ability with a weapon, only that what they're holding is a "rifle" or a "pistol". Absolute lack of knowlege.
I don't plan on reading the rest of your posts. You're ignorant, what you write is crap. It's useless to argue with someone who chooses to be ignorant and wishes to argue using their ignorance as their basis against real data.
I could continue to "fix" your misrepresentations of what I've said, or to correct your technical errors, or to try to explain the things you don't understand, or to put things back into context that you've taken out.
But I'm not going to. I'll continue posting on this thread, but will not read your posts, nor post in response to them anymore.
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Harvestman
Location: Somewhere in SORTA/TANK Territory!
Gender: Male
Everything about me has a poker face.
| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 77 on 10/15/2010 12:55 AM >
| | | | I love watching people argue.
Personally, I'm fairly sure that a well-aimed headshot with my digital camera could knock a person (you?) out cold.
Either that or a ballpoint pen.
Oh good, my slow clap processor made it into this thing.
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 78 on 10/15/2010 12:56 AM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
.... srsly?
You're apparently oblivious to all illegals who pack drugs into this country, as opposed to the ones who're just trying to get here to make a living.
You made no adjustment in your previous statement for firearms being okay if its "wilderness", but now you're saying that's fine. Before you said they have no place in UE...so....what if I'm UE'ing in the wilderness? (That's the trap of making blanket statements... be carefull).
About the "it sounding like I'm itching to shoot someone" statement....
I think it's really sad how you can have your crappy little argument ripped to shreds, where I have clearly stated that it is purely for protection, so you throw a fit and devise some scheme by which you suggest I'm interested in killing people.
Why go if it's dangerous?? As thought the act of exploring mine's isn't dangerous itself right?
Lemme ask you this....
You know that people die every day in car accidents, but you still drive yes?
You even drive to places when you're going "just for fun" outside of actual work right?
Given the IMMENSELY higher number of auto accident related deaths, to the type of thing we're talking about... which argument seems more absurd?
It's so easy for you people, you don't know SHIT about the subject you pick to talk about, but it doesn't keep you from getting on here and spurting out crap all over the threads anyway. You take what you think you know, from having no experience, or seeing something on TV, and you just shit all over the place with your ignorance.
Apparently now people who choose to protect themselves are secretly homicidal maniacs.
There are no mexicans transporting drugs into the USA from Mexico.
If something is dangerous or there is risk involved, you shouldn't do it.
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I'll first start off by addressing your car euphemism. fine fine fine, your example would hold up if, it werent for the fact your purposely going into extreme elavated danger zones. Thats like saying "Hey guys drinking and drivings pretty safe right? I mean i do it all the time, infact it makes me a better driver!" theres a difference between normal UEing and deciding your going to go take pictures of the local crack spot. Of course the house is abandoned, but because of circumstances its a elevated risk that normally wouldnt be there. so you feel compelled to bring a weapon to defend yourself. and then when someone decides they dont want you there or trys to do you harm you shoot them. thats what your telling everyone when you say hey guys i purposly like to go into known meth/drug labs where i know theres a good chance im going to have to hurt someone. its totally ridiculous.
now to address the fact about illegal immigrants smuggling drugs. Yes i am very aware that it happens. I have a brother who was a one point stationed on the border. typically they dont make it a habbit to take sesta's in abandoned mine shafts. They have a very well planned out route to follow and will avoid human contact at almost any cost. they are more apt to shoot at those idiot minute men and law enforcement. Not some guy with a camera and a hiking back pack. The last thing they want is for the area to become flooded with police and rescue services looking for a "lost" hiker. it makes no sense to make a route to hot to carry drugs through. they will use the same paths untill they cant anymore. it just doesnt happen like your expaining. the ones that do attack americans are the ones looking to abduct rich americans to hold for ransom. thats a very popular scheme near border towns. so dont tell me i dont know anything about border violence.
Finally i'll address you point on you stating this "Apparently now people who choose to protect themselves are secretly homicidal maniacs." No i don't believe people who want to protect themselves are homicidal maniacs. I just dont believe trying to create situations in which you know are not safe, in which you would need to carry a gun is a smart thing. If i know im going some where were theres a possibility i might get mugged, im not going to carry my nice camera on me. Im going to bring my cheapo with me. Im also going to go with friends and be as smart as possible about it all. I.E. not tempt fate. If a situation is such that i might have to shoot someone its not worth the risk of having to do so for the sake of a hobby. I love UEing and ive been doing since before i knew it even had a term. Im willing to take some pretty big risks but im not willing to have to risk killing over it. thats when it becomes manical behavior.
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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Therrin
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| | | Re: My Urban Exploration Kit
<Reply # 79 on 10/15/2010 1:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by HarvestmanMan
I love watching people argue.
Personally, I'm fairly sure that a well-aimed headshot with my digital camera could knock a person (you?) out cold.
Either that or a ballpoint pen.
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LOL I know right? It's like the concept that just by believing something it makes it actually true somehow. =P
And I totally agree, ballpoint pens can be a very deadly weapon. Their only problem is that they don't have much range. Maybe they're effective the the length of your arm. Beyond that, trying to throw one at someone, I'm guessing it's probably not effective =) I'd prefer not to have to get that close to someone. *laughs*
So what's in your kit HarvestmanMan?
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