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 junkyard
  
Location: LaCrosse, WI
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Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
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<Reply # 20 on 7/28/2009 4:50 AM >
|  | | | Some people's kids.... Tripping alarms and waiting down the street is so 1990's, yet it still works. I've been in buildings where the on-site 'security' called the cops and cops with dogs and dogs with cops. They still haven't found me and my cohorts to this day. It's a great way to find out how shit works. We've watched guard movements for weeks to figure out their simple plan at times. Like the Quick Bunny says "patience is a virtue" As you learn their actions, they learn yours. After a month of false alarms, the will let their guard down. HINT. They look for changes. If all outside doors were locked an hour ago and they still are now, it'll just be another boring night. You lock the door behind you and they figure business as usual. They don't figure on you having a key or a 2nd story entrance. Hint. Nobody looks up. We've gotten into and then out of more trouble that way, than guards knew there even was any trouble.......SBC rule #13 alarms are for wussies that watch for them. That and a sixer will keep you safe.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
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Location: A biology lab far, far away...
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 8/2/2009 12:52 AM >
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Some people's kids.... Tripping alarms and waiting down the street is so 1990's, yet it still works. I've been in buildings where the on-site 'security' called the cops and cops with dogs and dogs with cops. They still haven't found me and my cohorts to this day. It's a great way to find out how shit works. We've watched guard movements for weeks to figure out their simple plan at times. Like the Quick Bunny says "patience is a virtue" As you learn their actions, they learn yours. After a month of false alarms, the will let their guard down. HINT. They look for changes. If all outside doors were locked an hour ago and they still are now, it'll just be another boring night. You lock the door behind you and they figure business as usual. They don't figure on you having a key or a 2nd story entrance. Hint. Nobody looks up. We've gotten into and then out of more trouble that way, than guards knew there even was any trouble.......SBC rule #13 alarms are for wussies that watch for them. That and a sixer will keep you safe.
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trent
  
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Avoiding Alarms?
<Reply # 22 on 8/6/2009 2:00 PM >
| | | | In my area there's a fence surrounding an awesome untapped location. On the inside of the fence, every 75 feet or so is a telephone pole with a motion sensor that can turn on a light which is also mounted on the pole.
Trip #1:
We were ninja'ing and moving very slowly along the inside perimeter of the fence. Then we casually walked to the building out of range of the sensors. We saw the white box with the blinking red light, but we didn't assume it to be a sensor.
Trip #2:
This time we found a better entrance under the fence. Since nothing happened last time, we walked at a normal speed to the building. *click* The place lit up like a Christmas tree! we GTFO'd and waited a bit, no security/police response. We put 2 and 2 together and realized it was the speed that tripped it this time. We tried again later and just walking slowly allowed us to safely walk through the sensor field.
Trip #3:
We think we've got it figured out... just walk slow around the inside of the fenced area and it's all good, right? But, this time we had to bring a heavy 'tool'. It took two people to carry it. We were also running while carrying it for certain reasons. We weren't even inside the fence, but since we were jogging it still tripped before even attempt top go under the fence, wtf?. So now we know just to move very slow.
This was at night each time with minimal lighting on the premises (until you trip the sensor). I'm not sure what type of sensor it was, but on a tall poll, the range of it is about 50-75' outward from the poll at the most. Though the ange it can see is pretty good as it picked us up on the outside of the fence while it's pointed away from us toward the inside permiter toward the bulding.
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
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<Reply # 23 on 8/6/2009 7:25 PM >
| | | | PIR. Very easy to fool when walking slow. Problem is out in the open, that is not to your advantage. You're persistent though.
And I only have pictures off the intranets of doors in Florida.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
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shadowbot
Location: Massachusetts
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 24 on 12/8/2009 8:23 AM >
| | | | Posted by makman
If you're patient, it might be worth tripping the alarm a few times over the course of a month or so and observing the results.
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That method combined with the "trip the alarm, cover it up, then gtfo" method seems like a brilliant idea to me. A constantly tripping alarm puts people's guard down. How many times have you seen a store with a broken alarm during the holidays and everytime someone walks out it beeps, and the people that work there are just like "oh go ahead its been doing that all day". It always makes me think, wow if I was a thief I'd be in and out of this store all day...
Also, how many times do you hear a car alarm go off and think "oh my god someones breaking into a car!!"
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<Reply # 25 on 12/8/2009 9:44 PM >
| | | | case in point, standing temptingly lately one tastey abandoned building, and onhaving been entered an alarm sound would trigger and ppl would make a hasty retreat, and so she stood there unwhored for the last few years.
then one day Rascal, Sledgey and myself decided against the odds to forge onwards and weather the storm, only to find all along it was the intermitent whingeing of the lift alarm that would go through a series of beeps and whines every 15mins or so giving the impression an interior alarm was on...someone had wedged a door open on the lift - and joy did result
after many trips later we went to meet ppl recently for a photo run and from nowhere the cavalry came to raid the place....never can tell.
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KingJalopy
Location: Tulsa, OK
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 26 on 2/25/2010 9:10 AM >
| | | | This topic is quite intriguing, as I have always had a belief that alarms are no better than signs when it comes to stopping someone from doing what they are going to do, lets face it, those KEEP OUT, or NO TRESPASSING signs are doing very little to keep us UErs from doing what we do.
It's a mindset really, alarms are psychological mind fucks, to me, especially the ones we're talking about, not like banks and shit; the real deal, these rinky dink motion detectors are doing their job if they are keeping you out of there, they are scaring you away from there.
For example; what if, the first time you went out there, you just ran like hell when the alarm went off, but you ran like hell into the building and hid? You would have gotten away with it. Like was said earlier, no one even checked it out. You could have spent all diggity damn night in there, and if you set it off leaving, who cares, your leaving.
The cops have better things to do than raid an abandoned building, looking for some thing that set the alarm off in the middle of the night. MHO. They won't even get out of their car to check it out, if nothings out of place, then it was probably an animal or something, people are truly ignorant sometimes, like junkyard said,"no one ever looks up" it's true... Of course that doesn't mean you should run around like an asshole setting off alarms, just be patient, do some recon, try different times of the day, etc... If you really want in there, you'll find a way...
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Mr_Fiend
Location: Tulsa, OK
Gender: Male
Infiltration Expert...
| | | Re: Avoiding Alarms?
<Reply # 27 on 2/25/2010 9:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by busby
In a building I really want to thoroughly explore, there is an alarm blocking the path to the main section. I think it's motion detecting but I'm unsure. Is there any sure-fire way to distinguish between alarms?
Also, how can you get past an alarm. This particular one beeps when you get too close, any techniques or ideas? I don't want to shut off the power on the building or anything to arouse suspicion or cause harm/sabotage.
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Next time you're there, try to take a picture of the suspected motion detector and post it here. I think there is enough experience in these forums to tell you what it is. Also, there are such things as fake/dummy alarms, just there to scare you off and not actually wired to a "security system" that calls the cops. I've never heard of a motion sensor beeping as you get closer unless its a fake, and the beeping is the actual deterrent. Thats the same story with security cameras, the fake ones always have that little suspicious blinking red light to scare you.
I avoid alarms and motion detectors like the fuckin plague, I will find a nother way around them, it forces me to get creative and find another way in. Deactivating them goes against my ethics and will get you in jail longer IF you are caught. Fake or not, they are there for one of two reasons or both. 1. They are protecting something valuable. 2. They are detouring vandals. And those reasons mean your presence there will be severely frowned upon! Either way, alarms and motion detectors are not something to dick around with lightly, if you set em off or think you did, GTFO, then like others have said, wait and watch what happens.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Avoiding Alarms?
<Reply # 28 on 2/26/2010 3:05 AM >
| | | | I throw snowballs at alarms and cameras, works like a charm.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
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Location: DC Metro Area
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 29 on 2/27/2010 2:12 AM >
| | | | I work security for a very large retail establishment and we have motion sensors all over the building. I like the idea involving tripping the alarm off several times to get security used to the alarm being a "normal"thing. When we get repeat motion alarms after hours within the same general time frame we always blame it on rats and become pretty apathetic when the alarm company contacts one of us asking if we want police assistance.
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mikenike605
Location: PDX Camas, WA
i like to take pictures
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<Reply # 30 on 3/25/2010 10:25 PM >
| | | | i generally try to find ways around motion sensor alarms... but whenever i see an alarm i need to go by i just do it. its easy for these things to be tripped by mice, rats, and cats so in general people dont seem to respond to them. i really only avoid magnetic door alarms and security cameras.
thats my input unless you feel like going oceans 11 with generating electromagnetic pulses to short the building. might alarm people more than a simple alarm though =)
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robert paulson
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<Reply # 31 on 3/30/2010 8:40 PM >
| | | | saw this on the mythbuster's site... might help if the alarm turns out to be sonic.... further research need to validate... not certain how the science of this works....
An ultrasonic motion detector can be fooled by holding a bedsheet in front of you.
confirmed
The bedsheet absorbed enough of the ultrasonic waves to mitigate any return signals.
AND..... a bedsheet can easily be carried in a backpack....
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splumer
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 32 on 4/7/2010 12:48 PM >
| | | | What about covering the motion sensor with clear tape? It wouldn't be very noticeable to the gendarmes and should block the detecto-ray, right?
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Avoiding Alarms?
<Reply # 33 on 4/7/2010 12:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by splumer
What about covering the motion sensor with clear tape? It wouldn't be very noticeable to the gendarmes and should block the detecto-ray, right?
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Or white duct tape (if it's a white plastic sensor).
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Louie
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<Reply # 34 on 4/12/2010 7:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by busby
This particular one beeps when you get too close, any techniques or ideas? I don't want to shut off the power on the building or anything to arouse suspicion or cause harm/sabotage.
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So you've set it off?
Next time, set it off again. Leave the building and go hide in the woods or bushes. Watch to see what happens...
Depending on the building, a fault in the security system will go one of two places: A security office on site (think of an active school), or directly to police. (Think well protected abandonment)
If you set it off and the cops don't come, you can bet it is a closed system.
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Louie
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<Reply # 35 on 4/12/2010 7:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by trent
Or white duct tape (if it's a white plastic sensor).
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I dont think this would work
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Avoiding Alarms?
<Reply # 36 on 4/12/2010 7:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by Louie
I dont think this would work
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Why?
If the tape covers the sensor, the sensor can no longer sense motion if armed. And if the tape is white, no one would notice that the sensor is actually covered up (assuming the rest of the sensor is white too).
You would probably set the alarm off applying the tape. Is that why you don't think it'd work? But the point is to have it set up for the future.
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splumer
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 37 on 4/13/2010 12:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by trent
Why?
If the tape covers the sensor, the sensor can no longer sense motion if armed. And if the tape is white, no one would notice that the sensor is actually covered up (assuming the rest of the sensor is white too).
You would probably set the alarm off applying the tape. Is that why you don't think it'd work? But the appoint is to have it set up for the future.
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That was my idea. You set it off by putting the tape on, but then when they come and check it out, hopefully they don't notice the tape and leave, leaving you free to walk by without setting it off again.
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bdgr
Location: Chicago Adjacent
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 38 on 4/14/2010 1:39 AM >
| | | | A lot of municipalities fine the owner of a building for false alarms. If I had an abandonedbuilding that got hit with a fine 8 times a week due to an alarm going off I'd unplug the alarm.
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complexity1022
Location: Eatontown, NJ
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Avoiding Alarms?
<Reply # 39 on 4/22/2010 4:40 AM >
| | | | I have never attempted to evade an alarm system but do 1 of 2 things. 1. run REALLY fast through the beam lol. and 2.(the serious answer) spend a few days/nights thoroughly scoping out the area, make sure its the ONLY possible way in. Set it off a few times to check response times and procedures during said call. Look for any sensors or cameras. BTW try the going real slow thing once, alarm goes off then run like hell. but keep an eye on the sensor. Id hate for it to be a silent alarm and you think ur a badass evading the alarm then BAM cops
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