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 Emma Peel
      
Location: Ahowah
Gender: Female
Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.
 |  | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 40 on 3/3/2009 2:31 AM >
|  | | | On the coughing up blood note: Urban explorers are a high risk for contracting tuberculosis. That shit lives for fucking ever and will just chill out in a dark closet until you wander around and stir the air particles up. And then it is on.
Sorry, I probably forgot my <sarcasm> tags. |
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TrixieSparrow
Location: Hamilton, ON
Gender: Female
I guess.
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 41 on 3/3/2009 5:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by Emma Peel
On the coughing up blood note: Urban explorers are a high risk for contracting tuberculosis. That shit lives for fucking ever and will just chill out in a dark closet until you wander around and stir the air particles up. And then it is on.
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...uuuuuh oooooh.
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Rana X.
 
Location: boston, ma
Gender: Female
i heart scars
| |  |  | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 42 on 3/5/2009 3:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by Dougo
Washing clothes of the men who mined it is apparently how their wives caught it.
Cheers,
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i try to explain this to people too... its great that people are careful and wear masks... im horrible and dont...but then when they get into their cars with shit all over their clothes and get it all over their car interior and then drive around with it everyday in that space, go home and track the stuff in their house and take their shoes off right next to their beds.....etc
if you go through the trouble of always wearing a mask you should also strip off the top layer or your clothes/shoes and throw them in a trash bag in your trunk before getting in your car or basically its all for nothing
5'1" and not afraid to use it...
rana-x.com / flickr / FB / tumblr / i am the stealth warrior, my backpack says so... |
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mANVIL
Gender: Male
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 43 on 3/5/2009 4:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by Rana X.
i try to explain this to people too... its great that people are careful and wear masks... im horrible and dont...but then when they get into their cars with shit all over their clothes and get it all over their car interior and then drive around with it everyday in that space, go home and track the stuff in their house and take their shoes off right next to their beds.....etc
if you go through the trouble of always wearing a mask you should also strip off the top layer or your clothes/shoes and throw them in a trash bag in your trunk before getting in your car or basically its all for nothing
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True, but it's also a matter of amounts. Breathing in the asbestos that clung to your clothes, hair, shoes etc... isn't going to be nearly as bad as breathing in the heavily saturated air for 4-6 hrs while you're exploring.
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Shuga_Shane
Location: Richburg, Lynchmond
Gender: Male
"THRILL'D OUT DRUG SEEKER"
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 44 on 3/5/2009 5:41 PM >
| | | | Fuck it, Live Fast, Die Pretty..
"UNFUCKWITHABLE" |
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Emma Peel
Location: Ahowah
Gender: Female
Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 45 on 3/5/2009 6:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by mANVIL
True, but it's also a matter of amounts. Breathing in the asbestos that clung to your clothes, hair, shoes etc... isn't going to be nearly as bad as breathing in the heavily saturated air for 4-6 hrs while you're exploring.
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Incorrect assumption. It is matter of number of EXPOSURE INCIDENTS, NOT how much you were exposed to it, total.
Time for you to read a genetics book's chapter on carcinogens (things that cause cancer ---- presumably, like asbestos, though most carcinogens are not PROVEN to be cancer-causing).
Here is the exact post I wrote in another thread, regarding asbestos causing cancer. It is long, but I highly recommend you read it:
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Um, well, on cancer in general:
According to my genetics course and the book the prof taught with, cancer is usually caused by a combination of genetic factors AND environmental factors, such as carcinogens. For example, several of the world's longest-living people had smoked right up until they keeled over (I'm not sure, but I don't think any of them died because of cancer).
Cancer is genetic, but not usually inherited. (No, there are absolutely no typos in that sentence.)
So, if you have good genes that won't mutate into "bad" ones on you (you can't ever tell), you could theoretically snort asbestos daily and not get cancer.
However, more than likely, the asbestos will cause a disruption and loss of cell division control, disruption of apoptosis, or disrupt DNA repair.
The fewer exposures, the less likely it is that your cells will be affected. Some people are obviously more at-risk for cancer formation due to genetics, diet, environment, et cetera.
You can also actively practice chemoprevention (uh, warding off cancer) by taking certain nutrients, plant extracts, or drugs, such as: folic acid, vitamin D, vitamin E, selenium, compounds from soybeans, tomatoes, and green tea, and apparently certain anti-inflammatory drugs.
...It is also important to note that most studies regarding environmental carcinogens and cancer are able only to prove correlation, rather than cause-and-effect (I would assume that this is due to studies having to be ex post facto, since you can't ethically give PEOPLE cancer, and they are trying to study the genetic/environmental contributions on PEOPLE.).
I'm not sure about the research that has been done on asbestos. Odds are that they've only found strong CORRELATIONAL evidence, but the penetrance (rate of cancer) in the population (in this case, I think it was mostly people who worked around asbestos) is so high that it has been deduced that asbestos exposure must either cause or be DIRECTLY related to mesothelioma .
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Germline mutations may explain why some heavy smokers develop lung cancer and some do not. The ones who do may have inherited an allele/gene, which is in every cell, that makes them more susceptible. Basically, though, by exposing the tissues in your lungs to the carcinogens in smoke, you're eventually going to cause a mutation in a tumor suppressor gene or oncogene of a lung cell, which gives it a proliferative advantage.
Without an allele/gene that makes you more susceptible, it takes two mutations to trigger cancer. This could also be because of environment, but it means that it takes longer for two insulting events to occur than it takes for one event to occur.
Germline cancers are uncommon, but when they are present, the rate of cancer in the population (one genetic side of the family, for instance) goes up, and the cancer occurs earlier than if it required 2 mutations.
...So, SirJinx, you SHOULD NOT smoke, since you could have inherited a gene that makes you MORE LIKELY to get cancer if you do smoke.
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Sorry, I probably forgot my <sarcasm> tags. |
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Rana X.
Location: boston, ma
Gender: Female
i heart scars
| | | | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 46 on 3/5/2009 6:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by mANVIL
True, but it's also a matter of amounts. Breathing in the asbestos that clung to your clothes, hair, shoes etc... isn't going to be nearly as bad as breathing in the heavily saturated air for 4-6 hrs while you're exploring.
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i agree...breathing in air laden with any kind of shit even just dust is crummy...
i had a specific situation in mind of a friend that was covered in white dust after we were crawling through tunnels and then took off their mask and hopped in the car w/o so much as a dusting off. it looked like someone had threw a 1/2 a cup of chalk dust on his carseat
[last edit 3/5/2009 6:09 PM by Rana X. - edited 1 times]
5'1" and not afraid to use it...
rana-x.com / flickr / FB / tumblr / i am the stealth warrior, my backpack says so... |
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Shawn W.
Location: Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
| | | | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 47 on 3/5/2009 7:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by Rana X.
i agree...breathing in air laden with any kind of shit even just dust is crummy...
i had a specific situation in mind of a friend that was covered in white dust after we were crawling through tunnels and then took off their mask and hopped in the car w/o so much as a dusting off. it looked like someone had threw a 1/2 a cup of chalk dust on his carseat |
Does your friend usually do stuff like this without thinking?
What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus |
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Shuga_Shane
Location: Richburg, Lynchmond
Gender: Male
"THRILL'D OUT DRUG SEEKER"
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 48 on 3/5/2009 10:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by Shawn W.
Does your friend usually do stuff like this without thinking?
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I shure do.
I've been doing construction and demolition all my life.
I recently acquired asthma, or thats what the doctors told me anyway. I came From years of cement and steel cutting, welding, busting stuff into smaller pieces.
I sucks now, breathing that is. But it also got me to quit smoking after 17 years. and who knows, maybe I'll live way longer than you.
Just met my great grandfather for the first time last summer, he's 99 years old and still rides a bike. So i think my genes are good.
To get back to my original point, I wear my respirator now, sometimes. And you should always wear it when warning signs are around.
But seriously, for a bunch of people that tip toe through abandonments, yall shure are a paranoid bunch of folk.
I would probably worry a lot more about the health effects of all the crap you consume on purpose.
"UNFUCKWITHABLE" |
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TrixieSparrow
Location: Hamilton, ON
Gender: Female
I guess.
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 49 on 3/6/2009 6:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by shane_fromva
Fuck it, Live Fast, Die Pretty..
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Fuck yeah.
I doubt I will live long enough for the asbestos to do much.
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ActionSatisfaction Esq.
Location: Newark, NJ
Gender: Male
Action always satisfies
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 50 on 3/6/2009 1:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by shane_fromva
I shure do.
I've been doing construction and demolition all my life.
I recently acquired asthma, or thats what the doctors told me anyway. I came From years of cement and steel cutting....
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I hate concrete/cement dust. So, so, so fucking much. Least fun thing to do: cut through cinder blocks with the Stihl.
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - T.R. |
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\/adder
 
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 51 on 3/6/2009 2:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by ActionSatisfaction Esq.
I hate concrete/cement dust. So, so, so fucking much. Least fun thing to do: cut through cinder blocks with the Stihl.
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Why when you can simply PUNCH THROUGH THEM?
http://www.youtube...atch?v=aVKWcxvmjlI
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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Shawn W.
Location: Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
| | | | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 52 on 3/6/2009 4:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by shane_fromva
I would probably worry a lot more about the health effects of all the crap you consume on purpose. |
Actually, I eat rather healthy, thanks.  I just enjoyed a cup of hot double bergamot Earl Grey tea.
What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus |
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ActionSatisfaction Esq.
Location: Newark, NJ
Gender: Male
Action always satisfies
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 53 on 3/6/2009 4:19 PM >
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Well, when they are in a wall, they tend to be a lot harder to break due to all the pressure on top of them. It would take a very long time to break a large amount of them. Also, a sledgehammer would be a much more effective tool.
sarcasm DENIED! 
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"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - T.R. |
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Quarantine
Location: Denver
Gender: Female
retired former old-school UE'er
| | Re: Wear your damn respirators!
<Reply # 54 on 3/7/2009 6:05 AM >
| | | | Well, the Pneumonia's finally just about cleared up (as in, I still can't breathe well enough to ride a bike, but I don't feel like passing out when I use stairs. So that's an improvement).
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