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UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > Reasons an outflow would be locked. (Viewed 1222 times)
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Reasons an outflow would be locked.
< on 1/27/2009 12:54 PM >
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Hey there, I recently traced a stream up to an outflow, it flows into a stream with fish and then a waterfall about an hour and a half down, so I'm sure it's at least relatively safe if it can support fish... But when I found the outflow I was very put off as it was locked, the entire thing covered in chain link fence, with a door and a padlock in the center. I can't think of any reasons for locking it, since this is in a very remote and hidden area. I know that they sometimes put fences around caves with bats in them, to keep people from disturbing them, but this doesn't seem a likely place.

Here's a picture of it, please excuse the poor quality, as I suck with a camera, and it was a snow storm.

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 1 on 1/27/2009 1:14 PM >
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So you don't drown in it . . . .

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 2 on 1/27/2009 1:37 PM >
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Posted by DevilC
So you don't drown in it . . . .


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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 3 on 1/27/2009 2:16 PM >
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C.Y.A = Cover your Ass, If there is any danger at all to the public they would have to fence it, it may flood alot during the spring and i cant think it would be a great place to go swimming ;). If they fence it in and u hop the fence and get hurt, its your ass, not the municipalitys.

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 4 on 1/27/2009 2:28 PM >
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That seems like a good reason, the water is just about half way up the shin height, but I know in the spring and all that it would be much higher. Doesn't seem to make sense that they would fence it off in the middle of nowhere, but it's Hamilton, next to nothing here makes sense. Thanks UG

Figure I'll try and get in tomorrow before work, weather permitting.

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 5 on 1/27/2009 3:10 PM >
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As waffle said, the grille has created a risk whereby anyone swept into the tunnel upstream, falls down a manhole, climbs in a gutterbox etc, during a storm could be pinned against the grille from the inside and drown. This happened recently in australia at Fortress drain.

One man managed to squeeze out a hole in the outfall grille, his 2 companions were not so lucky. If the locals/explorers/whoever hadn't made a hole in the grille he would be dead today.

More recently two drainers in Brisbane, Australia were washed from a tunnel by a torrent of water into a creek. If this outfall was grilled then both would surely have died. Sadly, one did anyway.

I think you should go and make a hole in that grille, in addition to gaining access you might prevent someone from drowning.

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 6 on 1/27/2009 5:11 PM >
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from the tags on the wall most likely to keep people out

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 7 on 1/28/2009 7:40 AM >
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I just tried to attempt a storm drain I've been in before... apparently since the last time I was there they fenced off the easy opening. Which means to get in We're gonna have to get wet by going through the end which is partially submerged in at least 20 inches of water, or cut the fence. Which is now a personal debate. (It's crappy...really crappy chain link.) I know there were kids who we're going in there and smoking weed. So that might be a reason. It sucks because no one has touched the drain in the last two years I've known about it. And now there is new chain link.

I'm kind of against cutting it; mostly because it might take the owners of the property to take more drastic action. I'm now trying to figure an alternative way to cutting the fence. The problem isn't me but my friend, who is too big to make it under the 2 inch gap. The outfall used to have a portion extended out. But the piping broke and there was a nice gap between the two pieces. they fenced it off since the last time I was there.

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I really don't think gerber tooling the fence is wise so I think we're gonna just end up getting soaked.
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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 8 on 1/28/2009 8:18 AM >
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How is it attached, crimped wires like normal chainlink? Could you open it and put it back when you leave?

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 9 on 1/28/2009 7:46 PM >
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OMG IS THAT A FLYING SLOTH?! I never seen one of those before!

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 10 on 1/29/2009 2:33 AM >
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Posted by Plaid
OMG IS THAT A FLYING SLOTH?! I never seen one of those before!


You had better believe it. Easier to get into buildings that way.

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 11 on 1/29/2009 3:09 AM >
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Posted by AnAppleSnail
How is it attached, crimped wires like normal chainlink? Could you open it and put it back when you leave?


Bolted to the RCP and Staked into the ground. They are using really long flat-head screws to stake it into the ground, but the grounds frozen right now, otherwise we could unscrew it.

It's black rubber coated chainlink fence, so I could cut it and then electrical tape it on the way out. Problem is it's on college property. Campus Rules: No rope, no duct tape, no weapons. No gear bigger than what I can fit in my backpack.

I think we're just going to minimize our gear, and get completely soaked. Hopefully I'll get some pics up this weekend.

It's open on the end, but the end is half way submerged in about 2 feet of water.

like I posted before

is about what I'm dealing with.
There's no grass, it's on the side of a hill in the woods. A grass template was easier. The fencing wasn't there in October. And it wasn't there in the prior two years. We used to be able to just climb into where the pipe had broken apart.

But they fenced it off. Probably because kids smoke in the woods down there, and it's warm in the drain in the winter; and they can clambake the drain... People must have got caught, or something.

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 12 on 1/29/2009 3:17 AM >
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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 13 on 1/29/2009 3:36 AM >
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That's not the only way to get into that particular drain, you just have to look...

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 14 on 1/29/2009 6:57 PM >
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Posted by TheVicariousVadder
Campus Rules: No rope, no duct tape, no weapons. No gear bigger than what I can fit in my backpack.


That's amazingly hardline.

What about snip-snip (next to the stakes?) and re-closing with black zipties?

Drains always have 2 ends: where's the inlet?

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 15 on 1/29/2009 8:43 PM >
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wait, is the outfall locked?

why don't you just jump the fence..? or look for a lid that isn't frozen shut. Forgive me, I must be missing some vital obstacle mentioned in the original post.
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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 16 on 1/29/2009 8:49 PM >
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Posted by Monst
wait, is the outfall locked?

Hate to be captain obvious, but why don't you just jump the fence..? or look for a lid that isn't frozen shut. I'm must be missing some vital obstacle mentioned in the original post.


Yeah, the outfall itself has a locked fence over it.

Btw, it looks like you could save yourself some fence-hopping trouble (for the perimeter fence) and go under the fence instead.

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 17 on 1/30/2009 12:25 AM >
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Posted by MindHacker


That's amazingly hardline.

What about snip-snip (next to the stakes?) and re-closing with black zipties?


That was a thought on my mind. But it'd be electrical tape, I'd be closing it with. It'd be far less obvious that any damage was done. Because it's covered in black rubber.


Drains always have 2 ends: where's the inlet?

Haha. Nope. Not this one. It ends in a 5 inch diameter pipe and brick wall where It redirects a stream. It's a deadend drain with no manholes. About 4 feet in diameter.

I think this weekend we're just going to get wet. It's accessible from the end of the drain, which like I said it partially submerged.

My goal is to work out an ingenious way to get multiple people in WITHOUT having to wade through the water, using only materials that can fit on a backpack, and that are NOT banned on campus.

Why? Because it is college, and we're bored college kids. (though I'm not a student...till august.)

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 18 on 1/30/2009 1:59 AM >
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Posted by le_button_m
That's not the only way to get into that particular drain, you just have to look...


Oh I know, but for the sake of interest and fun I at least want to find out what's on the other side of this fence. XD

Posted by denryuu


Yeah, the outfall itself has a locked fence over it.

Btw, it looks like you could save yourself some fence-hopping trouble (for the perimeter fence) and go under the fence instead.


What my picture neglects to show is that the entire part where the stream enters is open to walk on, or that just past the right where the picture cuts off, as does the fence, and I could just walk around to it.

Was just wondering about that gate that covers the outfall, but I'm pretty confident that it won't keep me out, just depends on what's on the other side!


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This shows a good view of how the perimeter fence isn't really that effective...

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Re: Reasons an outflow would be locked.
<Reply # 19 on 1/30/2009 5:00 PM >
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Posted by TheVicariousVadder


Bolted to the RCP and Staked into the ground. They are using really long flat-head screws to stake it into the ground, but the grounds frozen right now, otherwise we could unscrew it.

It's open on the end, but the end is half way submerged in about 2 feet of water.



This sounds like a good time for temp-o-waders. If you're determined not to carry duct tape (I live on engineering college, it's normal to carry a toolbox to class), you can get by with double-bagged and some light rope for tying them up.

If it's small enough RCP you might be able to shift it with a lever, but that's maybe an ethics question too...

At the colleges around here I still have open access to 4'-5' drains and a 200' culvert.

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