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 T-Staff
 
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<Reply # 40 on 12/10/2008 5:58 AM >
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easier to fix 'white balances' etc.
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mentok
   
Location: buy the ticket take the ride
Gender: Male
absinthe makes the heart grow fonder
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 41 on 12/10/2008 6:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by T-Staff
Shoot Raw.
easier to fix 'white balances' etc.
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I shoot in RAW+JPG, but I usually lazy out and use the JPG since a lot of the hard work is already done...
I should probably use my RAW images for the night shots more.
if you're such a badass why haven't i seen any blood yet?
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argonian
Location: Toronto, ON
Gender: Female
"Now with added cats!"
| | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 42 on 12/10/2008 6:06 AM >
| | | | Use raw. Do most of your editing, white balance adjustments, etc. in raw.
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Paranoid?
 
Gender: Male
F/RoX FTMFW
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 43 on 12/10/2008 11:42 AM >
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... if I even wrote my name on the wall in Paranoid?'s shot, it would have been quite some time ago. But I did not write my name on that wall...
It woulda been way more comical for you to say "I cant recall at this time"
Also, if you had seen the Private Message I sent to Paranoid?
Others were well aware of the PM you sent me just so you know.
And just for records sake here is the PM I sent to Paranoid?
and just for the record here is the PM I sent you back.
"Is it absolutely necessary to publicly ridicule me before hearing what I have to say, or dare I say it was just easier to put that much internet between you and me because you weren't man enough to talk to me directly?"
Being the man he is, (person) asked a question on a public thread. I, being the man I am, gave suggestions to an answer on his public thread. You, being the man you are, never fessed up to your act of stupidity and then tried to deny or at least minimize what you did.
"I don't want there to be hard feelings between you and I, and I certainly hope that I can remain your friend after all of this, although I understand that you are angry."
I think your view of friendship is kinda twisted, I have friends and I can trust them. We are part of a community of people who share the same interest. There would only be hard feelings if I thought I could trust you to begin with and since I didnt know you that well, thats not the case. It is simple I have come to find out that there are people you can trust in this community and people you cannot. You obviously fall into the later category.
You should understand that I'm not angry, and dont take this so personally - I would have treated any other "explorer" the same who did what you did.
You owe 2 "Trusted Explorers" personal apologies and the whole community one as well. Just my opinion though........being the man I am.
"Now, do you guys want to keep on bullying me, or can we move on?"
No one is bullying you, I see nothing wrong with posting up a shot of a shitty tag you put up on a wall.
And now I see nothing wrong with posting up the fact that you decided to steal and shove a bunch of shit into your bag IN FRONT OF A WASHINGTON POST REPORTER while another explorer was trying to portray what we do in some kind of decent light.And when confronted you tried to tell others that it was a pill bottle and nothing more... whatever your not being bullied, just seems you dislike being confronted.
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mentok
Location: buy the ticket take the ride
Gender: Male
absinthe makes the heart grow fonder
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 44 on 12/10/2008 3:05 PM >
| | | | If you want to continue to bring this up thats fine, but I already owned up to what happened and I have apologized to the community for this, and will once again apologize to the community. I'd like to move on, but I'm not sure you can.
Posted by Paranoid?
You should understand that I'm not angry, and dont take this so personally - I would have treated any other "explorer" the same who did what you did.
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Its rather difficult to not take it personally when you never confronted me privately, or answered your phone when I called you. As well as the personal attacks you made on me. If you don't believe you are angry I recommend reviewing how you talked to me, it doesn't come off as the pleasant guy you are in person.
Posted by Paranoid?
You owe 2 "Trusted Explorers" personal apologies and the whole community one as well. Just my opinion though........being the man I am.
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I have no idea what you mean by "Trusted Explorers". I can make assumptions about who you mean by that, but if you read the stipulations for "Trusted Explorer" it would make a lot more sense why I am confused by you calling them "Trusted Explorers". Also, several other members of that group requested that those members be banned for the time being, I'm sure the community that you booted me from works in a very similar way. My community has its rules, just as your community has its rules. Deal with it, and don't try to bully me into running my community the way you run yours.
Posted by Paranoid?
No one is bullying you, I see nothing wrong with posting up a shot of a shitty tag you put up on a wall.
And now I see nothing wrong with posting up the fact that you decided to steal and shove a bunch of shit into your bag IN FRONT OF A WASHINGTON POST REPORTER while another explorer was trying to portray what we do in some kind of decent light.And when confronted you tried to tell others that it was a pill bottle and nothing more... whatever your not being bullied, just seems you dislike being confronted.
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Yes in fact no one may be bullying, maybe a better word is harassment. I deal well with confrontation. Were it not for the fact that I was banned on ua, I would have easily owned up to what happened. When I attempted to confront you, you insisted on twisting my words and avoided my phone calls. If you want to bring up what happened, I know that plenty of you f/RoX guys also take things, maybe not in front of a reporter, but you do talk about it on a public forum. In fact had I never met certain f/RoX explorers I never would have taken anything in the first place. Also, I never said it was "nothing more" than a pill bottle, I was trying to recall what I took and that was one thing I remember taking.
I've noticed a pattern of bullying on here by you, as well as a climate of fear over on ua. I'm curious if thats the kind of community you want? I certainly don't want that kind of environment, and refuse to be treated like I am below anyone, this is a hobby, not a competition.
I have met several great people on ua, but you have given me the impression that I should continually kiss ass around there to achieve things that I never had a chance of in the first place. All the while somewhere that I cannot see, you are ridiculing me as well as many others.
You are right, bully is probably not the word to use, Unethical Self Serving Elitist is probably better, and harassment is what you are doing.
Now, can we move on?
if you're such a badass why haven't i seen any blood yet?
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mentok
Location: buy the ticket take the ride
Gender: Male
absinthe makes the heart grow fonder
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 45 on 12/10/2008 3:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by argonian
Use raw. Do most of your editing, white balance adjustments, etc. in raw.
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True, I do know better, I'm just lazy ;)
if you're such a badass why haven't i seen any blood yet?
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argonian
Location: Toronto, ON
Gender: Female
"Now with added cats!"
| | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 46 on 12/10/2008 3:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by mentok
True, I do know better, I'm just lazy ;)
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You are winking at me? Don't do that! That will only increase your difficulties with f/RoX. You know Don loves me. He loves me so dearly he may now feel the need to call on his troops to increase their attacks. He is a jealous man.
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Location: valbona
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| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 47 on 12/10/2008 4:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by mentokIf you want to bring up what happened, I know that plenty of you f/RoX guys also take things, maybe not in front of a reporter, but you do talk about it on a public forum. In fact had I never met certain f/RoX explorers I never would have taken anything in the first place.
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That has to be the stupidest thing I've read in a very long time.
I get little out of "bullying" people online, but seeing as I was the only other one there during the interview, I should probably speak up.
Like what has already been said on UA, this wasn't a way to question your ethics as an explorer... I think that everyone has taken something from an abandonment at some point... And yes, it was that you decided to do it in the middle of an interview you were doing for the Washington Post.
That was a great opportunity to step up, be intelligent, and paint all of us in a good light. Regardless of you telling the reporter "don't publish that I took stuff because it's rather iffy in the exploring community"... That made you not ignorant, but stupid. You knew at that point that it was fucked up, and you continued to do it?
I just don't understand how you could have ever thought it would be a good idea to open up your bag and fill it with hospital robes and pill bottles, especially when I had just told the reporter MINUTES before that we don't take stuff from the place we go...
And I guess you may have apologized to the community for your actions, but is that really enough? It's kind of a big deal, and I'm still surprised that you were confused about being banned from UA...
Exploring isn't a popularity contest, it isn't about wearing fedoras, smoking cigars and taking 10+ people to a location. You explore because YOU want to. And you share ideas with people that you trust.
If you want to tag, or take things while you're there, that's your personal decision. But don't make us all look like that. And don't expect people to trust and help you afterwards.
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| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 48 on 12/10/2008 4:59 PM >
| | | | You still don't get it do you? So listen closely, it's not that hard. This is not a personal attack at you, this is about your actions. No one cares that you took something. It doesn't matter if it's a pill bottle or a bag full of hospital gowns. The problem is that you took all kinds of shit in front of a reporter. Not only did you take them but, you made a fellow explorer look like an ass. After he had just gotten done telling the reporter that we don't take anything, you start putting shit in your bag. So, you put another explorer in a shitty position, and painted us in a terrible light to the media. That's the problem, that is everyone's problem, you did it in front of a reporter. You want to do an interview, fine. Maybe you don't know this but what we do isn't exactly legal,a lot of people have a problem with what we do. So if you choose to do an interview maybe you should use that chance as an opportunity to do some good for the community. Not use it as a chance to get some really cool shit from a building, while making us all look like liars and thief's that break into buildings. We don't need anymore negative attention. Especially after the greystone incident.
As far as meeting a certain F/RoX explorer, and that being the reason why you started taking things. I am going to assume you are talking about me, at PAX. I took a rubber stamp out of a building that is being destroyed by scrappers, the walls are missing, shit it throw all over the place. I found a stamp with the hospital name on it laying in a pile of papers thrown around an office. Your damn right I took it, I was amazed that it was still there. Anyone have a problem with that? Anyone else want to tell me they wouldn't have done the same. No because its a small item that no one else would have ever known was there, and I didn't do it in front of a reporter. On that note, you see what I did there. Someone calls you out on something, you own up to it. When did you ever do that? You run, you hide, you ignore the questions and have you boy Pluvius try to explain for you. Maybe it's just me but, if someone calls me out in a public forum I am going to try to save my name. I'm not going to have them take it to PM's and im sure as hell not going to let them keep it up with out a fight. Especially, if I have nothing to hide. If you would have manned up at the start of this, and said yes I took things in front of a reporter, I see why that might be a problem, I'm sorry. This would have been over and done with long ago. You say you do well with confrontation, all I have seen you do is hide from it.
But, I'm getting off track, lets go back to this blaming you taking things on meeting an F/RoX member. Who showed you it was cool to tag? Why don't you stop worrying about what other people are doing and worry about what you want, what you think is right. Some people steal, some people tag, some people don't do anything but take photos. It's a personal choice. You need to stop looking at this as a social event, stop trying to be one of those Elitist that you talk about. Stop trying so damn hard to fit it. If you explore it should be because you want to be there. If you take something because you wanted to take it. Tag because you wanted to tag. It's all your choice. Stop trying to pass the blame for what you do. Your ethics are you choice, do them because you believe in them, not what the masses believe in.
Paranoid? and I have nothing to do with the way things are run over on UA. We are members just like you were. Yes, we have a certain way we like to do things over there. We like to keep it that way, not because it's our site but, because we want there to be at least one place to go without all of the bullshit. We don't target new members, we don't try to push people off of the site. But, we do try to keep it clean. If you do something we disagree with, we will let you know. We welcomed you with open arms over there. Once we all met you and you finally started posting we pushed for you to get full member. You are a perfect example of why we act the way we do. We got you access to our database and a few months later you turn around and do something stupid. We give people a hard time and try to get them to understand "the way we do things", to protect our locations. We don't open arms to people with questionable "morals" because we don't want to see anything happen to our locations. Right or wrong it's how things have always been done over there. Just take a look at Todd D. When he first joined the site he was posting real location names, entry ways in public forums. We would not give that kid a break, we gave him on hell of a hard time about everything. Now look at him he's right at home. Posting sets, contributing to the boards, his photograph has gotten much better. And everyone leaves him alone. Funny you never complained about how things were handled until you were on our bad side. Right or wrong it's how things have always been done over there.
Anything else you need to say I'd go ahead and say it. Right here, right now. Lets finish this. If for whatever reason you don't want to do it in the place were the confrontation is you have my number.
mANVIL- "if a super advanced race of aliens takes over the world, they will keep me alive for my efficiency, all you petty humans and their chewing"
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mentok
Location: buy the ticket take the ride
Gender: Male
absinthe makes the heart grow fonder
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 49 on 12/10/2008 4:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by polaroid
That has to be the stupidest thing I've read in a very long time.
I get little out of "bullying" people online, but seeing as I was the only other one there during the interview, I should probably speak up.
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Actually, you were there during one interview, there were several others, and the one you were at was not going to be used for the article at all.
Posted by polaroid
Like what has already been said on UA, this wasn't a way to question your ethics as an explorer... I think that everyone has taken something from an abandonment at some point... And yes, it was that you decided to do it in the middle of an interview you were doing for the Washington Post.
That was a great opportunity to step up, be intelligent, and paint all of us in a good light. Regardless of you telling the reporter "don't publish that I took stuff because it's rather iffy in the exploring community"... That made you not ignorant, but stupid. You knew at that point that it was fucked up, and you continued to do it?
I just don't understand how you could have ever thought it would be a good idea to open up your bag and fill it with hospital robes and pill bottles, especially when I had just told the reporter MINUTES before that we don't take stuff from the place we go...
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You speak in the plural, yet one pill bottle and one robe is not plural. Also, I'm glad you're not resorting to personal attacks, that wouldn't be bullying...Oh wait, you called me stupid...
Also, if it wasn't a way to question my ethics as an explorer, why has there been an ethics debate?
If you understood the context of the article also, you would understand that it was intended to feature the DC exploring scene and highlight new explorers and the DCUE group, of which you don't belong, so in the long run, that interview was irrelevant anyway.
Also, the article hasn't been published yet, so I'm curious where you're getting your material from, other than saying that I took something, there is no article out there yet that makes any of us look "stupid".
Posted by polaroid
And I guess you may have apologized to the community for your actions, but is that really enough? It's kind of a big deal, and I'm still surprised that you were confused about being banned from UA...
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Actually, the community decides if an apology is enough, unfortunately before I had the chance to apologize on UA, I was banned. Also, where did I say I was confused about being banned? I was confused why I wasn't allowed to defend myself, as well as being confused why no one told me I was banned, I was just redirected to a porno site every time I tried to login...
Posted by polaroid
Exploring isn't a popularity contest, it isn't about wearing fedoras, smoking cigars and taking 10+ people to a location. You explore because YOU want to. And you share ideas with people that you trust.
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Just like exploring isn't about taking polaroids, or leaving dead squids in places, or dressing up as a zombie, and painting rooms. You want to mock me, thats fine, but you're no different.
Posted by polaroid
If you want to tag, or take things while you're there, that's your personal decision. But don't make us all look like that. And don't expect people to trust and help you afterwards.
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I didn't make us all look like that, I made me look like that. And I have learned that certain people have never trusted me, otherwise I would have known that the PM that I sent to paranoid was shown to other people somewhere. I also would have known that people were talking behind my back in their private boards. Yes, they have the right to do that, but if you want to talk about trust, consider whether its trust, or elitism that you are preaching. I think we both know the answer to that.
if you're such a badass why haven't i seen any blood yet?
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Pluvius
Gender: Male
Sender of Rain
| | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 50 on 12/10/2008 5:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by polaroid
That has to be the stupidest thing I've read in a very long time. |
Perhaps you have not read the whole thread, as plenty of stupid things have been said.
| That was a great opportunity to step up, be intelligent, and paint all of us in a good light. Regardless of you telling the reporter "don't publish that I took stuff because it's rather iffy in the exploring community"... That made you not ignorant, but stupid. You knew at that point that it was fucked up, and you continued to do it? |
I won't defend what he did, and Mentok isn't really defending it either. What I want to refute is the fact that you seem to think any article, news report or anything else will ever paint urban exploring in a positive light. Our hobby necessitates trespassing if we want to get into a place. We've all done it, and I'm sure plenty of people have gone so far as to breaking and entering.
No community anywhere is going to find that acceptable. Especially as the risks for injury are high at some locales and that can cause great problems for the owner.
Again, I'm not defending Mentok for taking stuff, I've never taken an artifact from any place I've been. But to make an attempt to publicly castrate him on two boards is asinine and juvenile.
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mentok
Location: buy the ticket take the ride
Gender: Male
absinthe makes the heart grow fonder
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 51 on 12/10/2008 5:24 PM >
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bite me
if you're such a badass why haven't i seen any blood yet?
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Descending
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 52 on 12/10/2008 5:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by mentok
Also, the article hasn't been published yet, so I'm curious where you're getting your material from, other than saying that I took something, there is no article out there yet that makes any of us look "stupid".
I didn't make us all look like that, I made me look like that.
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It doesn't matter if the article was published or not. It was done, and you gave them all kinds of negative things to write about. It did make all of us look bad, not just you. The article is about exploring, anything said affects the entire exploring community, not just your little DCUE.
Posted by Pluvius
PWhat I want to refute is the fact that you seem to think any article, news report or anything else will ever paint urban exploring in a positive light.
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I disagree.
http://www.urbanat...deo/FOX5report.wmv
Like him or Hate him. If you are smart about it you can use media exposure to shed some positive light on what we do. Use your brain, shouldn't be hard for a rocket scientist.
Grow up sir.
mANVIL- "if a super advanced race of aliens takes over the world, they will keep me alive for my efficiency, all you petty humans and their chewing"
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Location: Between Bridgeport and Branford
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This text is personal.
| | | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 53 on 12/10/2008 5:46 PM >
| | | | I read all the way up until maybe the third or fourth 6 paragraph long dissertation.
All I have to say about this debacle is thank god I have a decent scumbag radar.
"i've been trying for almost a year to get Colfax to one of my events to give it some credibility" - bfinan0
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briansbrains
Location: valbona
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| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 54 on 12/10/2008 6:10 PM >
| | | | Posted by mentok
If you understood the context of the article also, you would understand that it was intended to feature the DC exploring scene and highlight new explorers and the DCUE group, of which you don't belong, so in the long run, that interview was irrelevant anyway.
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And you chose to represent them like that???
Wow. Good job.
Posted by mentok
Just like exploring isn't about taking polaroids, or leaving dead squids in places, or dressing up as a zombie, and painting rooms. You want to mock me, thats fine, but you're no different.
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It isn't, but those are things that I have done in abandoned buildings.
No one has ever had a problem with me doing any of those those things.
Except you, because you're just trying to defend yourself by trying to spread out blame.
Posted by mentok
I didn't make us all look like that, I made me look like that.
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But you did make all of us look like that, seeing as the article was on urban exploring regardless of what "group" was featured...
Posted by mentok
Yes, they have the right to do that, but if you want to talk about trust, consider whether its trust, or elitism that you are preaching. I think we both know the answer to that. |
Sounds like you're upset that you didn't fit it.
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Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 55 on 12/10/2008 6:32 PM >
| | | | You fucked up and you know it. You need to own up. Stop trying to push blame onto other people. I don't know what you think that is going to accomplish. I've taken a few things, Polaroid painted a room. Right or wrong, we did. But, the difference is, we owned up to it... We didn't do it in front of a reporter and we didn't lie about doing it. Stop being a punk and own up. You talk about attacking people and that is all you are doing. One after another trying to get the focus off of you. It's not working, want this to go away. Man up, admit what happened.
mANVIL- "if a super advanced race of aliens takes over the world, they will keep me alive for my efficiency, all you petty humans and their chewing"
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
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<Reply # 56 on 12/10/2008 7:06 PM >
| | | | I LIKE GREY POUPON.
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 57 on 12/10/2008 7:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by don_corleyone
I LIKE GREY POUPON.
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I like Turtles.
mANVIL- "if a super advanced race of aliens takes over the world, they will keep me alive for my efficiency, all you petty humans and their chewing"
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kts
Location: Laurel, MD
Gender: Male
LOL WAT?
| | | | Re: Honey Dijon Asylum
<Reply # 58 on 12/10/2008 7:15 PM >
| | | | Needs more Demi Moore
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
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<Reply # 59 on 12/10/2008 7:16 PM >
| | | | if you could surgically remove the ashton kutcher she'd be SMOKIN.
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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