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 Snickerpuss
Location: Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
 |  | Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
< on 10/1/2008 1:36 AM >
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Vol 1.
September 30 2008
Alright, there's nothing more annoying then taggers and thieves who get to a house before we do and ruin everything. You should know what a tagger is, they spray paint there gang logos or just random things upon an open canvas, a lot of the time abandonments are there favorite places. On the rare occasion you find a house furnished, don't be the person who comes back with a moving van and ransacks the place. If the house is well preserved, leave it like that. Were there for photography or just for the fun of it, were not there to bargain hunt.
Also a lot of you new explorers aren't really familiar with our general rules. As tempting as it, you shouldn't smash windows or anything of that nature.
I really cant make this a long article because the concept is simple, but below I've included 3 handy tips to remember while exploring.
1. Never include spry paint in your exploring gear. IF there's one thing Urban Explorers don't like.. its taggers.
2. Take only photos, , leave only footprints.
3. IF your going bring friends, make sure there willing to respect UE terms such as the ones I'm listing.
IN other words just use common sense. Things will run much smoother if you leave things as they are
:Modified for spelling errors:
[last edit 10/1/2008 1:59 PM by ActionSatisfaction Esq. - edited 1 times]
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Iscran
 
You guys offer tours right?
| | Re: Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
<Reply # 1 on 10/1/2008 2:13 AM >
| | | | Some more advise;
It's one thing to be caught in an abandonment by the police or security. If however you're caught and in the possession of lockpicks then you're in a world of lawful pain. Unless you're a lock smith you're not allowed to carry them around publically on your person. If you want to bring insidious tools such as cutters don't leave them in your car after you're finished with them. If you're caught you're much better off knowing they're under a bush near your car out of sight than in your boot with constable charge unzipping the bag.
A pick set can be a reliable asset in some situations, locked drain gates perhaps but in all but rare cases they're completely unrequired. Scope your destination entirely in advance, study and manage your recon. If you find you need a pick set to get in then you should leave the location in a secured state on your departure. Don't destroy a lock without replacing it, a missing lock raises more suspicion than a lock that the key nolonger fits and often will result in the location being locked down harder than before.
Resist the urge to take a trinket with you. It's still classes as B&E and theft so if caught on the way home/out and searched when placed under arrest by authority you're once again hosed and facing court. Be mindful of what you leave your fingerprints on (doorknobs, deadlocks, windows). Gloves keep your hands safe from cuts and your movements ambiguous to tracking.
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Snickerpuss
Location: Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
<Reply # 2 on 10/1/2008 2:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by Iscran
Some more advise;
It's one thing to be caught in an abandonment by the police or security. If however you're caught and in the possession of lockpicks then you're in a world of lawful pain. Unless you're a lock smith you're not allowed to carry them around publically on your person. If you want to bring insidious tools such as cutters don't leave them in your car after you're finished with them. If you're caught you're much better off knowing they're under a bush near your car out of sight than in your boot with constable charge unzipping the bag.
A pick set can be a reliable asset in some situations, locked drain gates perhaps but in all but rare cases they're completely unrequired. Scope your destination entirely in advance, study and manage your recon. If you find you need a pick set to get in then you should leave the location in a secured state on your departure. Don't destroy a lock without replacing it, a missing lock raises more suspicion than a lock that the key nolonger fits and often will result in the location being locked down harder than before.
Resist the urge to take a trinket with you. It's still classes as B&E and theft so if caught on the way home/out and searched when placed under arrest by authority you're once again hosed and facing court. Be mindful of what you leave your fingerprints on (doorknobs, deadlocks, windows). Gloves keep your hands safe from cuts and your movements ambiguous to tracking.
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Indeed. I was actully going to write my next article about being cuaght by secruity / police. You shouldnt bring anything els aside from, yourself and your camera really. I am usally very light on equipment when exploring.
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dsankt
 
Location: live and in the fresh
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<Reply # 3 on 10/1/2008 2:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by Snickerpuss
Alright, there's nothing more annoying then taggers and thieves who get to a house before we do and ruin everything.
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Really, I find people who talk it up on the internet like they're king of a subculture when they've presented nothing to back it up far more annoying.
You should know what a tagger is, they spray paint there gang logos or just random things upon an open canvas, a lot of the time abandonments are there favorite places.
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Funny that, all the taggers/writers I know love bombing trains far more than abandoned houses. I'd say hitting steel is one of their favourites, I ain't seen too many trains layed up in abandonments recently.
On the rare occasion you find a house furnished, don't be the person who comes back with a moving van and ransacks the place. If the house is well preserved, leave it like that. Were there for photography or just for the fun of it, were not there to bargain hunt.
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Stop using the word we, please drop the arrogance. You are not a spokesperson nor respected member amongst this subculture, nor is your advice sagely enough to catapult you to that position. Drop some reports, tell us what you've done, establish some credibility here and people will take you more seriously.
Presently you come across as a noob running their mouth. While online urbex has grown a lot over the past few years, the hobby is small enough that people get reputations that last a long time.
Also a lot of you new explorers aren't really familiar with our general rules. As tempting as it, you shouldn't smash windows or anything of that nature.
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'our'? Seriously, this isn't a club, this isn't a boyscout group. There are guidelines people like to bandy about from the comfort of their highhorses often but they're not rules. What's the point of rules which are practically unenforceable? One again, why do you presume to speak for the subculture so much. Your use of the word 'our' is laughable and your advice is average at best.
I really cant make this a long article because the concept is simple, but below I've included 3 handy tips to remember while exploring.
1. Never include spry paint in your exploring gear. IF there's one thing Urban Explorers don't like.. its taggers.
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I have plenty of friends who paint and if they paint a shitty abandoned office block or generic abandoned houses I'm not going to cry. I can take these same people into 100 year old redbrick/sandstone drain and they have respect for the workmanship and age of the place. So I like some taggers, am I an urban explorer? Taggers are part of the landscape, deal with it.
2. Take only photos, , leave only footprints.
3. IF your going bring friends, make sure there willing to respect UE terms such as the ones I'm listing.
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And good thing it is you're listing them, else I'd be a little unsure of which terms and conditions I broke today. I've lost my copy of the fine print, anyone got a spare?
You're trying to reach out to a bunch of people brought together by a hobby that involves lots of rule/law breaking, you gotta do better than this. I do not care what you do otherwise, but do not presume to speak for me or urban explorers as a group.
[last edit 10/1/2008 2:54 PM by dsankt - edited 1 times]
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Brind
 
Location: Kitchener, ON
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 4 on 10/1/2008 7:45 PM >
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Quoted for fucking truth.
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Snickerpuss
Location: Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
<Reply # 5 on 10/1/2008 8:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by dsankt
Really, I find people who talk it up on the internet like they're king of a subculture when they've presented nothing to back it up far more annoying.
Funny that, all the taggers/writers I know love bombing trains far more than abandoned houses. I'd say hitting steel is one of their favourites, I ain't seen too many trains layed up in abandonments recently.
Stop using the word we, please drop the arrogance. You are not a spokesperson nor respected member amongst this subculture, nor is your advice sagely enough to catapult you to that position. Drop some reports, tell us what you've done, establish some credibility here and people will take you more seriously.
Presently you come across as a noob running their mouth. While online urbex has grown a lot over the past few years, the hobby is small enough that people get reputations that last a long time.
'our'? Seriously, this isn't a club, this isn't a boyscout group. There are guidelines people like to bandy about from the comfort of their highhorses often but they're not rules. What's the point of rules which are practically unenforceable? One again, why do you presume to speak for the subculture so much. Your use of the word 'our' is laughable and your advice is average at best.
I have plenty of friends who paint and if they paint a shitty abandoned office block or generic abandoned houses I'm not going to cry. I can take these same people into 100 year old redbrick/sandstone drain and they have respect for the workmanship and age of the place. So I like some taggers, am I an urban explorer? Taggers are part of the landscape, deal with it.
And good thing it is you're listing them, else I'd be a little unsure of which terms and conditions I broke today. I've lost my copy of the fine print, anyone got a spare?
You're trying to reach out to a bunch of people brought together by a hobby that involves lots of rule/law breaking, you gotta do better than this. I do not care what you do otherwise, but do not presume to speak for me or urban explorers as a group.
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You must have a bit to much free time on your hands. My articles are for information value only in no way am I being arragont, if you see me as being arrogant sorry about that..
Yes I know my spellings bad, I'll type so fat and just wont go back and correct the errors is all.
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dsankt
Location: live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
<Reply # 6 on 10/1/2008 8:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by Snickerpuss
You must have a bit to much free time on your hands. My articles are for information value only in no way am I being arragont, if you see me as being arrogant sorry about that..
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If that's what you're chalking my response up to, then good for you. Continue as you were, may the infamy of dj drew befall you.
[last edit 10/2/2008 1:23 AM by dsankt - edited 1 times]
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Brind
Location: Kitchener, ON
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
<Reply # 7 on 10/1/2008 8:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by Snickerpuss
You must have a bit to much free time on your hands. My articles are for information value only in no way am I being arragont, if you see me as being arrogant sorry about that..
Yes I know my spellings bad, I'll type so fat and just wont go back and correct the errors is all.
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I think the issue is that while what you say reflects your own thoughts, it in know way represents what a lot of others on here think. Presenting these posts as a guide to how things should be done is insulting to the majority of explorers, especially since it provides a very narrow view of what one should do.
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AnAppleSnail
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
Gender: Male
ALL the flashlights!
| | | | Re: Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
<Reply # 8 on 10/1/2008 8:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by Snickerpuss
You must have a bit toO much free time on your hands. My articles are for information value only, in no way am I being arrOgAnt. If you see me as being arrogant sorry about that..
Yes I know my spellings bad, I'll type so faSt and just wont go back and correct the errors is all.
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This is where I know dsankt from:
http://sleepycity.net/posts/76, exploring a hollow mountain
http://sleepycity.net/posts/77, NASA test facility
http://sleepycity.net/posts/67, and the coolest damn drain I've seen.</a> Each of his articles (http://sleepycity.net) are an amazing read about urban exploration I can only dream of ever doing.
Edit: Brind pointed out that HTML doesn't work. Links fixed.
Edit 2: Other people have said what I think about the post. Now we're down to "dsankt is tha shit."
[last edit 10/1/2008 9:09 PM by AnAppleSnail - edited 3 times]
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person
Location: cincinnati
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 9 on 10/2/2008 6:28 PM >
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Quoted for truth x2.
I'm all about leaving footprints and not taking photos.
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yokes
 
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
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<Reply # 10 on 10/2/2008 6:40 PM >
| | | | Snckerpuss: I'm an world renowned bong hitter and arsonist. Where do I fit into the community?
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
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<Reply # 11 on 10/2/2008 6:45 PM >
| | | | I light children's stolen stuffed animals on fire and then use the ashes to paint pictures of abandoned buildings on the hoods of expensive cars in WalMart parking lots.
Where is MY club?
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
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<Reply # 12 on 10/2/2008 7:04 PM >
| | | | picturesofabandonedbuildingsonthehoodsofexpensivecarsinWalMartparkinglots.com of course
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
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<Reply # 13 on 10/2/2008 7:47 PM >
| | | | Well sure, there's THOSE guys, but my particular subculture is far more L337 then any of those douchbags.
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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TurboZutek
King Dick
Location: Scotland
Gender: Male
Giant octo-penised rapephant
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<Reply # 14 on 10/2/2008 9:54 PM >
| | | | I have my own unique subcultural branch of UE, so of course I'm getting a real kick out of all these replies.
But really, Snicker, you should take the advice offered to you and type up some reports (with pictures if possible) of actual exploration you might have done.
You'll gain massive amounts of credibility fairly quickly. In the interim, this thread is pretty much done I think.
Chris...
We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. |
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 15 on 10/2/2008 10:30 PM >
| | | | What we WONT be seeing from Snickerpuss:
Vol 3 - Rookie Article - Establishing credibility
Vol 4 - Rookie Article - Dont push your ethics
Vol 3 - Rookie Article - "SpellCheck and Preview"
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Intrinsic
Location: Collingwood
Gender: Male
| | Re: Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
<Reply # 16 on 10/3/2008 12:46 AM >
| | | | Snickerpuss....
It's great that you want to help out your fellow members. I have some constructive criticism for you to do this.
First, while you may have fast fingers your spelling is very bad. If you want to write a rookie guide for others, then you will have to either slow down on the keyboard or have someone proofread the article. It can't be taken seriously when it's chock full of errors. Again, this is meant to be constructive not to rip you apart.
Secondly, if you're writing a guide for others in a community then it's best to include the others in that guide. In other words, ask people for feedback and additions to the guide before it is finalized.
Thirdly, as you write these guides, again, since you're speaking for others within a community - research what others have already written. The forums offer archives of years worth of information on the same topics you are covering. If you can digest all of their information and create an article that covers their experiences, tips and stories then you're well on your way to a better article.
As it is you're not spellchecking, not including other people's views and speaking for the masses. This is why people are being hard on you.
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Opheliaism
 
Moderator
Location: Out on the border of everything and nothing, TN
Ophie
| | | Re: Vol 2 - Rookie Article - Leave things alone!
<Reply # 17 on 10/3/2008 4:15 AM >
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Snickerpuss....
It's great that you want to help out your fellow members. I have some constructive criticism for you to do this.
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Well said, Sudbury!
And with that said....this should be the point where people only reply with constructive criticism or additions to the original post.
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KingKong
Location: Pittsburgh PA / Rochester NY
Gender: Male
Insert artistic / badass sounding phrase here.
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<Reply # 18 on 10/3/2008 10:37 PM >
| | | | One of the first things I had noticed in my rookie days, when I came across UER, Is that dsankt is somewhat of a god around here. I have explored some really cool places, but every time he posts one of his expertly written experiences complete with bomb- ass photos, my jaw drops through the floor. Show some respect son.
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Myelin
Location: The End of Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 19 on 10/3/2008 11:23 PM >
| | | | Oh stop it, you are going to make him blush!!
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