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< on 8/26/2008 12:09 AM >
|  | | | 1) Me and my friend (RochesterMNexplorer) just got started in U.E. and we mainly do drains. we have been gathering supplies to do some and we were wondering if you need a crowbar/prybar other than when you are popping a manhole?
2) Do i need any more than this for normal drains? what do you guys bring?
-prybar
-head lamp
-flash light
-camera
-water
-knife
-rope
thanks to you who reply.
Edited to create new title, to prevent future repeat threads.
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| | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 1 on 8/26/2008 12:27 AM >
| | | | Since I suppose there's no definitive threads here on draining equipment that I can find in recent times (at least in non private boards), let me point you to an absolutely indispensable write-up on draining.
It can be found here: http://www.infiltr...ions-approach.html, and should answer almost all of your questions on draining, and teach you tons of new stuff.
I'll leave this thread open for people with constructive replies. 
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Location: Milwaukee WI
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| | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 3 on 8/26/2008 3:23 AM >
| | | | First aid kit if you can fit it, maybe leave it in the car. I only say this because I got a scratch and bacterial infection from draining. I've also found this rather useful to pop covers quickly: http://www.1800tra...ING-PULL-TOOL.html
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Chris Hansen
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| | | | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 4 on 8/26/2008 3:27 AM >
| | | | first aid kid is a good idea. i think ill get one. thanks for the input!
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| | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 5 on 8/26/2008 4:06 AM >
| | | | A dry pack or zip bags.
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hatsumi
| | | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 6 on 8/26/2008 9:26 AM >
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i wouldn't worry about rope for now, and what do you need a knife for ? a knife is just probable cause or bad news waiting to happen
1. take water, gets hot underground and comes in handy for cleaning wounds or god forbid you get stuck somewhere
2. a torch and a back up torch, plenty of drainers take three, some more ;p
3. batteries for torches, and then some more...no light, no joy
4. waterproof or ziplock bag as was mentioned for above mentioned gear
5. camera if you are so inclined
6. first aid bits and pieces....i'd go for bandage and anti septic stuff
practice makes perfect, after a while you will instinctively know what you need and what is excess weight
if i haven't beenn somewhere before i bring the lot, some places i know i only take minimum stuff
otherwise when with others spread the resources around so the bases are covered
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Chris Hansen
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| | | | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 7 on 8/26/2008 5:19 PM >
| | | | i bring the knife if i dont/cant bring a crowbar because its strong enough to lift most of my cities manholes. also since its a survival knife then if somthin happens at an abandonment out in the middle of nowhere then i can cut somthin out of my way or use the compass to find my way.
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trent
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| | | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 8 on 8/26/2008 6:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by sheldontheflamingcat
i bring the knife if i dont/cant bring a crowbar because its strong enough to lift most of my cities manholes. also since its a survival knife then if somthin happens at an abandonment out in the middle of nowhere then i can cut somthin out of my way or use the compass to find my way.
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I think where people are going here with your knife and pry bars is that any kind of law enforcement could consider them either a breaking and entering tool or potentially even used for scrapping.
For example, the knife might be nice to have, and I'm sure people here carry them. They are even legal to carry generally if it's just a simple one bladed pocket knife. But if you mix that with our hobby and get caught it isn't as easy to talk yourself out of the situation. And really, what could possibly get you trapped in an abandonment that you would need to cut through?
As for prybar, I would NEVER bring one to an abandonment. It just screams out that you're going to B&E the place. Maybe only to a drain if I knew I'd be entering a manhole and then I'd probably stash it somewhere until I come back up.
You're thinking worse-case scenario for survival, but that's no where near as likely as you encountering law enforcement, so I would set my gear up for that risk instead.
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Chris Hansen
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| | | | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 9 on 8/26/2008 7:09 PM >
| | | | with the abandonment thing its more of a gotten lost in the woods deal not like im gonna cut through the walls. i know its pretty unlikely that im lost in the woods but i dont like that thought.
The prybar is only for the manholes because they are rather hard to lift up with your hands. I do like the stashing it somewhere for later. smart idea.
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| | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 10 on 8/27/2008 1:22 PM >
| | | | What if you got swept away in a sudden flash flood but then your foot got tangled on weeds at the bottom and you were drowning and needed to cut yourself free?
I always carry a knife (even not exploring). It's just useful to have, and most cops will understand that (so long as you don't look like rambo). Similar to the rope, but not for drains. If you know you're gonna need a rope for a drain, well, good times, but by and large its not worth dragging it in, getting it wet, dragging it back out, and drying it just to be on the safe side.
And stashing items somewhere is a good idea. I've done that transferring between an abandoned area that I used as an entrance and entering a somewhat-active area. It also makes you blend in better (what was the last time you saw a man in a trnechcoat carrying a rope and a prybar walking through your office building?)
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| | | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 12 on 8/27/2008 4:56 PM >
| | | | I also carry a knife with me at all times, but as previously mentioned, a knife doesn't have to be a Rambo special in order to be effective. When I purchased my knife I purposefully went with the smaller bladed model specifically to have a less intimidating tool strapped to my belt when out and about. This is especially important when dealing with LEOs. In the eyes of the people I've talked to about it a knife like mine is a handy and practical tool for everyday life, but if it was even the next size up, it's perceived primary use could easily and probably would switch from "tool" to "weapon".
That's a jump you don't want to make.
I also agree with the stance laid out here regarding pry bars. They are some times handy for moving heavy covers, but use them sparingly and exercise extreme caution and vigilance when carrying them.
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RochesterMNexplorer
| | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 13 on 9/2/2008 11:32 PM >
| | | | Well if you have a prybar/knife/crowbar the key is if security or cops come you can drop it. I personally own a crowbar so old if you throw it on dirt it looks like it was left there years ago. Also pertaining to the knife, they are almost always useful to have and can also be dropped when problems arise.
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| | | Re: 2 questions in one lovely little package
<Reply # 14 on 9/5/2008 9:48 PM >
| | | | I have found that most police understand having a knife, just make SURE you check local state laws and find out what is legal to carry. Also, crowbar or prybar = bad idea. My friends were checking out a tunnel when we first started and had a crowbar with us, and got stopped by the police, simply on the basis we had the crowbar we were detained. So yea, if you need a crowbar to get inside someplace, chances are that screams illegal and if you get got your in some deep shit. Now, I am only speaking from personal experience, but it is definitely something to keep in mind when U.E.
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Atlas Wolfe
Location: Portland, OR
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| | Draining...Help?!
<Reply # 15 on 9/16/2008 4:34 AM >
| | | | So my friends and i have been UE'ing for a little while. OK, nvm. we are noobs. we have done about three buildings each. But the other day, we found a drain, and would like to try it. But we would like to get just a basic list of "must have's, and should have's" before we do. And anything we seriously need to watch out for.
Thanks!
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Yehoshua
Location: Ontario
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| | Re: Draining...Help?!
<Reply # 16 on 9/16/2008 4:41 AM >
| | | | Bring a cellphone, it won't work in most places except under manholes and such; but a definite safety must. Obviously, both a spare flashlight lest you drop yours, and a spare set of batteries in case they die. Don't go if there's rain in the forecast; beware of when the air seems to get thick and heavy because you'll pass out and die -- and UER will laugh when they see the news story and say you were obviously never a member of THIS site if you got in the papers.
I typically bring a length of rope as well, I'm sure you could think of Indiana Jones uses for it, but I mostly use it for securing my flashlight or knapsack, or giving me something to grab if I'm making a steepish ascent/descent at some point.
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| | | Re: Draining...Help?!
<Reply # 17 on 9/16/2008 5:05 AM >
| | | | A few thoughts:
- Lights, and backup lights. You can't have too many lights.
- Drinking Water - it can be very warm and humid underground, depending on the climate.
- Footwear that can get wet, wellies if you have them.
As everyone says, if there's any chance of rain at all, stay out.
Here's a fairly comprehensive document on the issue, though, Predator's well-regarded Approach.doc: http://www.cat.org...dator/approach.htm
Have fun!
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chumpster
Location: chicago
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| | Re: Draining...Help?!
<Reply # 18 on 9/16/2008 5:16 AM >
| | | | just one or two questions about draining. What's the point of doing it? And whats so fun about it? might seem like stupid questions but going in a drain doesn't really scream fun for me.
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| | Re: Draining...Help?!
<Reply # 19 on 9/16/2008 5:34 AM >
| | | | Posted by chumpster
just one or two questions about draining. What's the point of doing it? And whats so fun about it? might seem like stupid questions but going in a drain doesn't really scream fun for me.
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The architecture (especially in brick and stone drains)
The places they lead
The shapes of the tunnel
The size of the tunnel (especially the 10 ft plus drains)
The odd features
The cave-like quality
The weird acoustics of the drain
The materials used
The subvert, isolated, and often solitary nature of being just feet away from the busy topside.
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