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UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses (Viewed 893 times)
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Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
< on 4/3/2008 12:15 AM >
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Just found 2 houses within 20min of my house. The first one looks to be maybe 5-10 years abandoned and is a single story ranch house. Couple problems though. It's visible from the road (less than 100ft) and there is a new house next to it, maybe 200-300 ft away. Dosent look very easy to sneak around. I was wondering if I should ring the bell of the house next to it and ask about the house? Is that a good Idea or should I just go straight to the abandoned house and hope I dont get caught?

The other house is a beautiful 2 story farm house. It's atleast 1000ft away from any other house so not sure who to ask permission to? I'd probally just do ext. shots because it looks well over 100 yrs old and is very droopy looking. There is also no drive so I'm not sure where to park and it's a 20min drive from my house. I am doing a photo project for 4-h so that is my excuse incase I get into trouble. Thanks for any advise how to approach these abandonments.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 1 on 4/3/2008 2:28 AM >
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You should do what you feel right! I probably would just go for it in both cases. A good way to feel it out is to start taking external shots and see if anyone says anything. Above all, you should carefully consider your options, and make your choice based on your judgment.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 2 on 4/3/2008 2:47 AM >
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Personally if I were the people living next door to the abandoned ranch, I'd be upset enough at how fast my property value was declining due to the "eyesore" next door, to the point where I probably wouldn't care if I saw people sneaking into it. Hey, I would reason, they ain't comin' in to MY house, and there's no one in there to rob. But maybe I'm just a bad neighbor. Exercise caution and assume no one else has my attitude.

Also, keep in mind that the building may in fact be over 100 years old, but it's been INHABITED more recently than that. There's almost no way a wooden residential building would be standing for that long after being abandoned. Most places that are still standing can't have been abandoned for more than twenty years, maximum: After this they tend to collapse into ruins. Safety is always a paramount concern, but take someone with you so you won't be alone and maybe get closer to see just how unsafe the inside looks. Maybe peer through the windows and see how much of the floor is left. Use your best judgment.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 3 on 4/3/2008 3:11 AM >
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The other thing.... It sounds like your a new explorer, but think very carefully about whether you want to explore someone else's house. I make it a policy to rarely explore houses because I think even though it's abandoned that it's an invasion of privacy. When you explore industry, the stuff that is left isn't personal, it's industrial. Everything in a house was someones at one time, and your viewing that... Just food for thought.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 4 on 4/3/2008 4:16 AM >
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Wear a safety vest, hard hat, bring a clipboard, paper and a pen. When people ask you what's going on say it's an inspection.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 5 on 4/3/2008 2:36 PM >
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You need to be careful about the house with the new house next door. Sometimes people buy acreage just for the location and just build a new house and either let the old one rot or tear it down. The county assessor records should clear this up.
If it's not owned by the new house neighbors and not secured and already trashed, then I would just go for it. Act like you have a purpose there. I wouldn't attempt to break in. If it's locked up, then either find the owner or move on.
I did a very similar exploration last year-old abandoned house next to new one. As I headed for my truck, the neighbor gave me a hello wave. I waved back, got in the truck and left.


If the 2nd one is a farmhouse in an active farm field, farmers get really weird about trespassers on their land. Not to say it can't be done, but I've found remote farmhouses are tougher than urban dwellings to explore because of you get spotted or caught, you can't just disappear into the concrete and asphalt of suburbia.
I got caught at an empty farmhouse at night once and my only escape was out the back door and through 200 yds of muddy plowed field, as the owner, or whoever, was walking up the front porch. I was lucky because this one was within walking distance to my house, so no vehicle was involved.
I would do the same with the assessor and find the owner. He may be receptive if all you are doing is photography.
Another thing you can do on this farmhouse if you get caught is say you are doing freelance work for the county historical district and you are documenting various examples of local architecture.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 6 on 4/3/2008 6:30 PM >
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Posted by Iqueld
Wear a safety vest, hard hat, bring a clipboard, paper and a pen. When people ask you what's going on say it's an inspection.


this is not a bad idea. if you look like you belong there, nobody with fuck with you.


or you could do what some others do and just break in.



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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 7 on 4/4/2008 3:12 AM >
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Posted by insainly sound
I make it a policy to rarely explore houses because I think even though it's abandoned that it's an invasion of privacy.



Really? Thats what draws me to houses- the more personal aspect. I don't feel as if I'm invading someone privacy, though.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 8 on 4/4/2008 3:54 AM >
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Posted by u25680

this is not a bad idea. if you look like you belong there, nobody with fuck with you.



Honestly, I think that's a bad idea. Why would someone inspect a long abandoned house? Pidgeons, infestations, rotting.. abandoned homes aren't really good for anything but exploring and grain storage. If it's owner lives within eye-shot of the house, he'll probably come out wondering what the hell you're doing with a clipboard looking over his old house. Property owners are almost always aware of who should be on their land and who shouldn't. You'll probably end up looking really stupid in front of him, especially if you don't have a company name attatched to you and a company truck parked close by.

You're best bet BY FAR is just to approach it with your camera and tripod clearly visible and show them that you're just a curious photographer. I've done it hundreds of times and been approached by quite a few property owners. They have all been extremely friendly to give me a history of the place and full permission to photograph. ( I live in Rural Alberta, so maybe it works only here ) Really though, be honest with them. Best case, they won't see you or simply not care. Worst case, they'll approach you and ask you to leave (or shoot you, depending on where you live I guess....).

I rarely try and fool someone into thinking I have a reason for being there, because if the cover ever fails, you can bet they'll take it far worse than just being caught as a curious photographer.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 9 on 5/7/2008 9:44 PM >
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Honestly, I think that's a bad idea. Why would someone inspect a long abandoned house?


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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 10 on 5/8/2008 2:06 AM >
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Personally, I would just start by taking a bunch of exterior shots. Make it look like you belong there. Walk all the way around each building, take a bunch of shots, and plan your entrance / exit. I would even make myself conspicuous just to see if anyone shows up. If they do? So what, your just walking around on the grass. If they dont, you will probably be okay.

Its always been my personal practice to do a driveby / checkup in advance to any exploration. I may be over- cautious, but thats how ive been in so many abandonments and still have a clean record. Its always best to have a plan in advance. The two most important things you can do are:

1) Be respectful to the property and the surrounding neighbors. If you make trouble, it won't be very hard for it to find you.

2) Bring someone you can trust. If you cant get someone to go with you, at least make sure someone you know knows where you are going, and what time you plan on returning, in case shit goes south.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 11 on 5/9/2008 3:46 AM >
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I like to go into places early in the morning. I think you will have less of a chance of being seen when going in. But always scout the place before you go in. When a house is in a neighborhood I will drive by a few times one day, and then walk near the house with a set of headphones on just to blend in a little.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 12 on 5/9/2008 3:50 AM >
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Go in the early morning, and be very quiet.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 13 on 5/9/2008 4:35 AM >
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Okay, I popped into two different houses today alone. In both cases, I parked right in the driveway, walked up to the locked front door, the locked side door, and found the back door magically unlocked. I plan to squat both of these houses, so from what I have picked up on the internet and from a couple fellow squatters, here's how I did the last one, and...

...how I plan on doing these two.

Take simple note of the address and GOOGLE it.

Google these to see who owns the house:
"assessor database *town name* *state*"
AND
"registry deeds *town or county* *state*

If said town isn't online yet with their assessor's database and/or registry of deeds, go to the town hall. It's public record, and you need show NO ID to look at assessor's records or to search the registry of deeds. One of the nice things about the registry, is it will tell you not only who owns the house, but when they got it, how much they paid...or in foreclosures, when the bank took it, and whether or not to proceed.

When is important, because if somebody just bought the house, you know to move on. If you find that it was owned by some old person, who died without a next of kin to take th property, the courts usually assign the person's assets to a trust. The trust's job is to protect said assets, such as paying the property taxes, and the house isn't going to be taken by the town/city/county until the trust runs out of money. This is the PERFECT place to squat, because trusts don't usually check on the properties they

Assuming all is good, stop by the house again during the early day, like around noon(less people are home, and you'll be less suspicious than showing up at an abandoned house late at night). As you're pulling up and getting out of your car, look around for prying eyes. It helps during the day, because as long as you can make yourself look like you could be on the job(polo shirt, black pants, hair done, shaved face...etc), and people will assume you are.

Walk up to the house and check the electric meter to make sure it's not moving, and leave something noticeable(a plant on the steps tipped over, a branch in the driveway big enough that someone would move it).

Find your point of entry(Back doors and basement doors that cannot be seen from other houses are the best to find unlocked), and make it appear closed/locked/secure, so it's not obvious to anyone else checking it out. If you're comfortable, check out the house on the inside, unlock a couple windows, take a few pics if that's what you like. Get out and keep your eyes open on the way out.

Give it a week, drive by to see if your "obvious" item has been taken, straightened, or moved. If not, pull back in and secure the place with your lock, and start hanging out there or whatever your plans were. If you planned on squatting, remember to treat it like you own it. Which means cleaning it up, tending the lawn, turning on the power, and after a month or two, changing your address to that of the squat.

It would be wise to brush up on squatter's rights, tenant's rights, and the laws of adverse possession for your state or territory. It's also a good idea to find a cover story, such as that you were so interested in such things as squatting and adverse possession, that you thought you'd try it. You found an abandoned house, with an open door, where you simply walked in, checked it out, and chose it would be a great spot for your project/test/experiment.

Once you "live" there, no one can remove you without proper eviction. Even if the owner was away, when they return, they STILL have to evict you, and cannot just come and go as they please. You have all tenant's rights, and the police will even stand behind you.

The best of luck.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 14 on 5/9/2008 5:00 AM >
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Posted by rcbif
Just found 2 houses within 20min of my house. The first one looks to be maybe 5-10 years abandoned and is a single story ranch house. Couple problems though. It's visible from the road (less than 100ft) and there is a new house next to it, maybe 200-300 ft away. Dosent look very easy to sneak around. I was wondering if I should ring the bell of the house next to it and ask about the house? Is that a good Idea or should I just go straight to the abandoned house and hope I dont get caught?

The other house is a beautiful 2 story farm house. It's atleast 1000ft away from any other house so not sure who to ask permission to? I'd probally just do ext. shots because it looks well over 100 yrs old and is very droopy looking. There is also no drive so I'm not sure where to park and it's a 20min drive from my house. I am doing a photo project for 4-h so that is my excuse incase I get into trouble. Thanks for any advise how to approach these abandonments.

Eric


First know your state's trespass laws. Know what your getting into, before you do it. Never go into inhabited residences uninvited.

It's always easier to ask permission than get busted for something they would have LET you shoot.
You can learn the history of the house perhaps by chatting with the neighbor.

House's by in large are a bore, and a good way to meet a pissed off owner with a shotgun. Conditions vary, but staying clear of residential areas will save you trouble and expense in general. People don't like being messed with at their house... the living are always trouble.


Industrial sites are much more interesting and easier to access, some rural areas don't have many though.
I won't go too nuts over a house in general.
It's not worth getting busted for B&E over, and if there are inhabited homes nearby you could be charged with prowling or other offenses if you get too sneaky; keep it simple.
If you live around there, remember you live with those people and cops; be respectful of other's wishes and property within reason.
If you got common sense, use it.




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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 15 on 5/24/2008 1:14 AM >
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If I were you, I would ask permission. If you are denied permission, do a full-on exploration under the cover of darkness.

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Re: Unsure how to approach 2 diffrent houses
<Reply # 16 on 5/24/2008 4:48 AM >
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like Iqueld said, try the "hard hat and clip-board" approach, make yourself look like your there to survey the property (have a tape-measure and cel phone clipped to your belt!). this has worked for me a few times... but i have found that abandoned houses really arn't all that exciting, and not worth all the trouble or getting caught.
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