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What has been you experience with night security? | | Total Votes: | 51 | | 1. I've never encountered them because I don't explore at night. | 8 | 15.69 % | 
| | 2. I explore at night but have never encountered them. | 29 | 56.86 % |
| | 3. I explore at night, and have seen them but they stayed in one spot and I avoided them. | 14 | 27.45 % |
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Origato
 |  | An insight into the mind of a security guard.
< on 2/10/2008 9:52 AM >
|  | | | My mate Johno has scored a part time job as a night watchman. Not really a security guard, because he has no licence for that, but securing an industrial premises just the same.
It didn't take Johno long to discover the job is boring. He had started trying to stay awake all night just on coffee. He said that was very hard. So now he has hauled in his car, has a small 12 volt television, some books and study material. He said that most of the time he sits in the car reading, and then he feels like he is going to nod off he gets up and walks around. He said he'll walk around maybe five or six times a night.
I asked what he would do if he encountered some one there. He said that he's supposed to tell them to stop and ask them for Id then ask them to leave. He has has 2 kids trying to do graffiti there so he asked them to stop but they ran off. He's not that bad a runner himself so he took off after them but lost them in the dark and then heard them going over the fence. He could not be bothered going after them.
Now it seemed to me that he essentially gets paid to sit on his ass and not to try anything fancy. So he challenged me to see if I could get into the place. Easily done I figured. And it was. I wandered around during daylight, found a hole in the fence, and came back at night. I wandered in. I was quiet. I spotted his car and kept away from it. It was easy as. I eventually got bored waiting for him to come find me so I wandered up to his car and banged on the roof. Johno woke up with a shock and shone his torch at me and said he was just off for a short nap.
Now I figure this is what the majority of night watchmen do. They get bored, go for the occasional walk, watch TV, read books, and are not real enthusiastic about chasing after people. They are more of a deterrent than an actual security measure.
There's no moral or anything here. Just observations. Anyone have / have avoided other encounters with night watchmen or watchwomen that bares this out?
Edit. Oh shit, I just pressed enter half way through my poll. Now how do I add those extra questions? Damn.
Edit 2. There seems to be no way to modify the poll or remove it. How fucked is that? I checked the FAQ and searched for modify poll, nothing comes up.
The extra questions were going to be.
I have seen them doing patrols but I avoided them.
I have been spotted by them but escaped easily because they seemed unenthusistic
I have been spotted by them and barely got away.
They caught me, but not due to their determination.
They caught me, through dogged persistance.
They didn't catch me, but I would not go there again.
They patrol the place like hawks!
[last edit 2/10/2008 10:07 AM by Origato - edited 2 times]
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<Reply # 1 on 2/10/2008 11:47 AM >
| | | | i do armed security at night but not for industrial.
ive said it before and ill say it again. there is a difference between a security guard and a security officer. the guard sleeps and doesnt care. the officer is vigilant but not a wannabe cop. once you become a power tripping wannabe cop, youre right back to being a guard again, just on the other end of the suck.
i take pride in what i do and know the police officers in my area. they often praise me for being level headed and working well with them when i call them out for issues.
i know this doesnt help with your poll or your questions but what i can say is this. the majority of people in security are poorly paid and really dont care. 99% of them arent about to get shot or cut for 9.00 a hour which is what the average unarmed guard makes in florida. you really have to watch out for the bad tempered guards that have a screw loose, and believe me, there are many, ive met tons. in fact, i have never met so many fucked up people in a job before until i started doing security. its very hard to find down to earth, humble, easy going people in security. almost all of them are fucking wackjobs.
the guard with his shirt untucked, earrings, bad facial hair is not going to do SHIT and most likely cant even write a report.
the guard with the full duty belt, two sets of cuffs, mace, baton, gun, taser etc etc will try to fucking kill you and is waiting for an excuse to snap. that guy is a time bomb. run away from that guy.
the officer who looks good in his uniform, has proper id displayed, rank bars, appears to be in decent shape and is clean shaven will most likely be stern but fair. respect him and he will respect you (for the most part).
i know this sounds very superficial and prejudice (dont judge a book by its cover) but ive been doing this for a year and a half, have met many people, written people up, fired some, replaced others, and have been on accounts that have been lost by my managers and company owners. ive experienced a lot in that year and a half.
hope that helps. sorry for the ramble, its 7am and i just got off work. 
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rainman8889
 
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| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 2 on 2/10/2008 10:08 PM >
| | | | Well put nomeus.
I also work in security and I'm also unarmed. Despite the accusations of being a wannabe cop, I'm not. I don't want their job. I just want to be able to pay my bills.
As a supervisor, I've had a few idiots removed from my site. I tell my guys we're paid to keep an eye on the site and place whatever calls are necessary (ie cops, ambulance etc).
Like nomeus, I've encountered a few in the industry who are total idiots. I've also had the pleasure of working with Security Officers who do their jobs to the best of their abilities without being power tripping morons.
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NoSuchPerson
  
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| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 3 on 2/10/2008 10:22 PM >
| | | | Want to know what's on the mind of a Security Guard (or anyone else for that matter)?
Unit calling radio say again? |
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TrAcK_rUnNeR
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 4 on 2/10/2008 10:30 PM >
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Post by ExKa|iBuR
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Amen. I joined an event security company for a few months in the summer just for the money. There's a lot of people i should have asked for ID and such but never bothered. I can tell you there's a lot of standing and sitting for long periods of time involved.
The one good thing about it tho was being able to attend events for free. And being able to enjoy some of those events.
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billowillo
Location: kearns,utah
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| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 5 on 2/10/2008 10:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by nomeus
i do armed security at night but not for industrial.
ive said it before and ill say it again. there is a difference between a security guard and a security officer. the guard sleeps and doesnt care. the officer is vigilant but not a wannabe cop. once you become a power tripping wannabe cop, youre right back to being a guard again, just on the other end of the suck.
i take pride in what i do and know the police officers in my area. they often praise me for being level headed and working well with them when i call them out for issues.
i know this doesnt help with your poll or your questions but what i can say is this. the majority of people in security are poorly paid and really dont care. 99% of them arent about to get shot or cut for 9.00 a hour which is what the average unarmed guard makes in florida. you really have to watch out for the bad tempered guards that have a screw loose, and believe me, there are many, ive met tons. in fact, i have never met so many fucked up people in a job before until i started doing security. its very hard to find down to earth, humble, easy going people in security. almost all of them are fucking wackjobs.
the guard with his shirt untucked, earrings, bad facial hair is not going to do SHIT and most likely cant even write a report.
the guard with the full duty belt, two sets of cuffs, mace, baton, gun, taser etc etc will try to fucking kill you and is waiting for an excuse to snap. that guy is a time bomb. run away from that guy.
the officer who looks good in his uniform, has proper id displayed, rank bars, appears to be in decent shape and is clean shaven will most likely be stern but fair. respect him and he will respect you (for the most part).
i know this sounds very superficial and prejudice (dont judge a book by its cover) but ive been doing this for a year and a half, have met many people, written people up, fired some, replaced others, and have been on accounts that have been lost by my managers and company owners. ive experienced a lot in that year and a half.
hope that helps. sorry for the ramble, its 7am and i just got off work.
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that is really well put. thanks.
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Air
   
Location: Canada
| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 6 on 2/11/2008 4:44 AM >
| | | | Posted by nomeus
in fact, i have never met so many fucked up people in a job before until i started doing security. its very hard to find down to earth, humble, easy going people in security. almost all of them are fucking wackjobs. |
People going to read this and say "ya right", "whatever", but nothing is further from the truth.
Posted by nomeus
the guard with the full duty belt, two sets of cuffs, mace, baton, gun, taser etc etc will try to fucking kill you and is waiting for an excuse to snap. that guy is a time bomb. run away from that guy. |
Lots of wanna-be cops all over the place. Some just take the job to fight and restrain people. And they look forward to becoming cops one day so they do some bullshit psychotic vigilante justice. They even had them where I've worked, and you know what....they had psychological assessments done on everybody before they started. More new companies now are super lax. What you want is the immigrant guard who doesn't speak English properly guarding your location. Most of the time they are on the phone chatting with family, reading or sleeping just to get by on their $9 shit job, which they really don't give a shit about.
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| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 7 on 2/11/2008 5:23 AM >
| | | | i used to work security for the school i worked at... it was one of my downtime duties when i wasn't driving. It sucked.
Where I work, we have three security folks on at night. One in each guardshack and one roving about in a pickup. The place has a rail spur leading to it, is surrounded by dark woods, has one road going by it and is right on the lake... we've had people beach their boat and go up four flights of stairs into the control room of the POWERHOUSE(!!!!!) to use the phone to call someone over running out of gas. We've had people pop out of starch cars (there are open parts of them running down each side of the hopper), ask where they were, get a soda and snacky food out of the machine, climb back in the car and wait for CP Rail to take the car back on to the rails... getting in or out of my mill is not a problem. 
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Ardamass
Location: Dallas Tx
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| | | | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 8 on 2/11/2008 6:00 AM >
| | | | A friend and I were exploring a construction site where they were adding on to our hospital. We had been there for a long time when I see this light coming towards us. I said to my Friend you see that about that time the light yells
Hey you come here.
Me: hey thats a guard lets get out of here.
we start running toward the front of the hospital the guard had cut off were we had come in at the back. (this time of night there wont be anyone there.)
Me: to the fence if we make it over there he'll never get us.
G: Stop come here
MF: hes still aways off we've got plenty of time.
We make it to the fence i hop over with great ease MF gets 1/2 way up and is kinda of stuck.
The guard whos is about 50 yards back yells at us.
I grab my friend and pull her over the chain link fence. Shes over I check her legs for any cuts she might of got form the wire. We then run into an apartment complex nearby were she lays low while i get the truck. It wasnt really a close call but it was fun running form the guard.
I always wondered why guards yell at you they will almost never get u if they tell you their coming. Really Like i'm going to stop for him it just dont make much sense .
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| | | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 9 on 2/11/2008 6:46 AM >
| | | | I worked as a security guard after graduating university for a few months. Most of the time I was stationed at a condo construction complex in a rough inner-city neighbourhood. Nice job for a while because I used to prowl around construction sites when I was younger.
My experiences (and my training) told me never to be confrontational with anyone ever. If someone was doing something wrong, I was to avoid them and call the proper authorities. It happened once, when a bunch of kids smashed a window on site. I hid and called for backup. The cops arrived and caught them a block away. I was up for a commendation but lost it due to company politics.
In my months there, I never told anyone to leave the site. Once I caught two young kids looking down a dirt pit. I said hi and they got the hell out of there. I even called after them and said they didn't have to leave, but I suppose they just didn't want to be caught. Another time a friend came to visit me and followed me on a couple patrols. Then he ran away for fun and hid from me for a long time. Would've looked funny to any witnesses.
It's a thankless job and pretty well nobody respects the uniform. The pay is higher than minimum wage and you have a lot of free time, so I don't know why anyone would complain about that. To this day, I don't have much respect for security guards.
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| | | | | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 10 on 2/11/2008 8:30 AM >
| | | | Posted by racetraitor
To this day, I don't have much respect for security guards.
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why is that?
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Steed
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| | | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 11 on 2/11/2008 9:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by nomeus
why is that?
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I guess the main reason is because most of them seem unprofessional. I read the OP's story about his security guard friend and the main thing that stands out is that he sleeps on the job. Instant grounds for dismissal, in my opinion.
Of course I have met security guards I respect, but not many.
[last edit 2/11/2008 9:12 AM by Steed - edited 1 times]
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Location: Cumberland, ME
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| | | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 12 on 2/11/2008 2:50 PM >
| | | | I walk my dog in an industrial complex that has no fences or anything, its really just a nice area to go on a walk, its used as a warehouse and is technically still used, but its completely overgrown. Some pretty nice trees, and its relatively peaceful. Seeing as it is active though, (I think its owned by a sewing machine company?) its got a guard that sits in a little booth that has approached me once or twice. He asked me what I was doing, and I simply told him I was walking my dog and he chatted for a few minutes about the weather, and how the election was going.
You just have to give some people a chance and you're polite and respectful they'll be polite and respectful back. (Provided they didn't catch you doing something retarded)
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| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 13 on 2/11/2008 3:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Ardamass
I always wondered why guards yell at you they will almost never get u if they tell you their coming. Really Like i'm going to stop for him it just dont make much sense .
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To get you do what you just did, leave. They told us to make a hell of alot of noise when doing patrols. If you hear a guard making a shitload of noise, don't just think they oblivious. Do you think they want to run into people when walking around a corner?
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NoSuchPerson
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| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 14 on 2/11/2008 4:28 PM >
|  | | | They likely yell because they know you'll bolt. That's all they care about... getting you to leave. Problem solved.
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Snarg
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| | | | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 15 on 2/11/2008 5:36 PM >
| | | | Been doing security for a hell of a long time. Well said nomeus, well said.
Mean people suck.
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Strixubel
Location: Toronto Ville
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| | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 16 on 2/11/2008 7:40 PM >
| | | | My brother used to have a job as a security guard. I'm not sure of the exact locations he got to work at, but I know for a fact he thought it dull and boring. While, I suppose, some people work as guards because its what they really want, or they have no other choice, there are many - like my brother - who simply take it to make a quick buck. Something to help them pay for their tuition and a metropass. The hours worked really well for him too since he had to go to university during the day - which is another thing to consider.. If you have school in the morning/afternoon and then go to work in the evening/night, no matter how jacked up on redbulls and caffeine you are, you're still tiered out of your damn mind and definitely in no shape to chaise after three people. The impression I got form his stories was that he would've much rather have you run away, than actually deal with you and, god forbid, have to call the police and then deal with them... So really, some people there are just for a paycheck and not a night of adventures.
I myself used to work in a mall, not as a guard, but working in such a public place had to deal with a fair amount of them. Most were really nice and lovely people (which I suppose doesn't really mean anything, since I wasn't the one they were chasing after..) and, must say, a little lazy. We had to call the security office a few times to report someone stealing and making a run for it. And even in the broad day light, with a complete description of the person we were looking for they were still reluctant to really do anything. Rarely ever did they turn up with the fugitive.
But these are just my first hand experiences. Don't let them skew your notions concerning this subject
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MDexplorer
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<Reply # 17 on 2/11/2008 7:49 PM >
| | | | Origato's posts are always very long intricate stories. Nothing wrong with that tho
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aikefu
Location: SW Ohio
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| | | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 18 on 2/11/2008 11:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by blitz
I walk my dog in an industrial complex that has no fences or anything, its really just a nice area to go on a walk, its used as a warehouse and is technically still used, but its completely overgrown. Some pretty nice trees, and its relatively peaceful. Seeing as it is active though, (I think its owned by a sewing machine company?) its got a guard that sits in a little booth that has approached me once or twice. He asked me what I was doing, and I simply told him I was walking my dog and he chatted for a few minutes about the weather, and how the election was going.
You just have to give some people a chance and you're polite and respectful they'll be polite and respectful back. (Provided they didn't catch you doing something retarded)
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Your post totally made me think of this.
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| | | Re: An insight into the mind of a security guard.
<Reply # 19 on 2/12/2008 1:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by blitz
I walk my dog in an industrial complex that has no fences or anything, its really just a nice area to go on a walk, its used as a warehouse and is technically still used, but its completely overgrown. Some pretty nice trees, and its relatively peaceful. Seeing as it is active though, (I think its owned by a sewing machine company?) its got a guard that sits in a little booth that has approached me once or twice. He asked me what I was doing, and I simply told him I was walking my dog and he chatted for a few minutes about the weather, and how the election was going.
You just have to give some people a chance and you're polite and respectful they'll be polite and respectful back. (Provided they didn't catch you doing something retarded)
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That's my idea of a good security guard.
I just remembered a hilarious security guard story from one of my friends. After I was promoted I got my friend a job working security in a downtown skyscraper. They used to do hourly patrols of each floor, starting on the first and working their way up. Then one day my friend said "Why do we start on the bottom and climb up? Why don't we just start at the top and go down?" The site supervisor looked at him in shock and said "Good idea."
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