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 FourgoneConclusion
Location: Clifton Park, NY
Gender: Male
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< on 1/24/2008 6:33 AM >
|  | | | Has anyone tried using City/County tax or land management offices to get some advance intel on just how abandoned an abandoned building is? All that information is typically public domain, and it seems like it could possibly be helpful in some cases.
My only thought is if they keep records of who looked at what, and you get caught on premises, they might be able to stiffen any penalties since they could prove it was obviously premeditated.
Anybody tried it at all, or do you think it would be to much extra work?
'Minimal collateral damage' and 'Entire star system' do not belong in the same sentence. |
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atomx
      
Location: Brighton, ON
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 1 on 1/24/2008 3:03 PM >
| | | | I went to the city once and got all the historical and to be demolished sites once.
It was while I was doing research for the owner of the Canada Blue Tannery.
It didn't pan out to anything though.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Richard Cook |
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CGII
Location: new york city
| | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 2 on 1/24/2008 4:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by FourgoneConclusion
My only thought is if they keep records of who looked at what, and you get caught on premises, they might be able to stiffen any penalties since they could prove it was obviously premeditated.
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I don't believe record keepers have the right to relay information regarding what you looked at to the police unless you've comitted a crime and that information is used as evidence. In fact I believe this was one of the arguing points over the Patriot Act.
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IDChris
Location: Southern Idaho Wasteland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 3 on 1/24/2008 4:17 PM >
| | | | It's no big deal. For all they know, you could be a land speculator looking for defunct property. It's tough to determine abandonment for accessor's records. The good thing with tax records is the owner is public record, so if you see a site you like, then you got a contact.
I get on construction bidding websites and keyword in "demolition". It'll list jobs going out for bid that may be of interest to demolition contractors.
You can also check local public hearing notices on rezoning and new development. They get really detailed on land use changes, including existing structures. You'd be surprised how much info they have. Building square footage, construction methods, year built, building use, etc.
I got a public hearing letter for a development near my residence and it described in detail every house and structure scheduled to be demolished.
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Calvin Kaneda
Location: West Coast Ninja/East Coast Pirate.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 4 on 1/25/2008 4:42 AM >
| | | | In my research I've found two things. I don't know how often this happens or if it's standard procedure but, when a building is demolished the city/county records department will throw out the blueprints to said building, and the only record after that is the permit for demolition.
"By the prick of my thumb something wicked this way comes..."
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
| | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 5 on 1/25/2008 2:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by FourgoneConclusion
Has anyone tried using City/County tax or land management offices to get some advance intel on just how abandoned an abandoned building is?
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of course. and there are tons of other reasons for doing so as well.
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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don cornelius
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Location: Your asshole.
Proud Parent
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<Reply # 6 on 1/25/2008 7:01 PM >
| | | | use the internet to find your cities historical or most endangered buildings list. This really works.
I got about 20 places to see once it gets warmer.
40+ year olds with Myspace pages are not cool, they are pediphiles on the prowl. Buyer beware. |
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FourgoneConclusion
Location: Clifton Park, NY
Gender: Male
| | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 7 on 1/25/2008 10:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by don_corleyone
and there are tons of other reasons for doing so as well.
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Such as?
[last edit 1/25/2008 10:53 PM by FourgoneConclusion - edited 1 times]
'Minimal collateral damage' and 'Entire star system' do not belong in the same sentence. |
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CGII
Location: new york city
| | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 8 on 1/26/2008 12:44 AM >
| | | | Posted by FourgoneConclusion
Such as?
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historical research
development analysis
neighbourhood research
zoning research
architectural research
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FourgoneConclusion
Location: Clifton Park, NY
Gender: Male
| | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 9 on 1/26/2008 7:57 PM >
| | | | Cool, thanks
'Minimal collateral damage' and 'Entire star system' do not belong in the same sentence. |
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//Bryant
Location: Connecticut
Gender: Male
"Deep into the darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing." -EA Poe
| | | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 10 on 2/5/2008 4:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by FourgoneConclusion
Has anyone tried using City/County tax or land management offices to get some advance intel on just how abandoned an abandoned building is? All that information is typically public domain, and it seems like it could possibly be helpful in some cases.
My only thought is if they keep records of who looked at what, and you get caught on premises, they might be able to stiffen any penalties since they could prove it was obviously premeditated.
Anybody tried it at all, or do you think it would be to much extra work?
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This is a great idea! By the way, I love the avatar. Is that a racoon???
Postedby Calvin
I don't know how often this happens or if it's standard procedure but, when a building is demolished the city/county records department will throw out the blueprints to said building, and the only record after that is the permit for demolition.
I'll be heading to a town hall first thing tomorrow morning to see if I can get blueprints to a local abandoned state hospital that just had two buildings taken down... I'd love to have the blueprints!! Thanks for the info. |
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FourgoneConclusion
Location: Clifton Park, NY
Gender: Male
| | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 11 on 2/5/2008 5:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by //Bryant
This is a great idea! By the way, I love the avatar. Is that a racoon???
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Yep, don't know the original source though, it was ganked off a friends blog.
'Minimal collateral damage' and 'Entire star system' do not belong in the same sentence. |
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//Bryant
Location: Connecticut
Gender: Male
"Deep into the darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing." -EA Poe
| | | Re: Bureaucratic Scouting
<Reply # 12 on 2/5/2008 9:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by FourgoneConclusion
Yep, don't know the original source though, it was ganked off a friends blog.
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That's wild. Almost looks fake.
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