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<Reply # 20 on 9/13/2006 5:58 PM >
|  | | | Posted by a_clockwork_brian
When I was younger I really didn't care about getting caught because the cops in my town didn't care either. It was just a "get out of here" and then we left. Later on in life I told the truth if I were caught for something...sometimes I left out some important information though. Half-truths can always be fun.
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Lying by omission is the way a smart man deceives someone. It isn't lying, and it's doesn't cause the problems that false info does such as having to have to remember what you said. The trick is being able to do it fast, and still appear compliant and forth coming.
Rule #1: Keep it simple, stupid!
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Majickal
Location: Evansville, Indiana
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<3 Home Depot
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<Reply # 21 on 9/14/2006 12:46 AM >
| | | | I've almost been caught 3 times (see my UER journal) and I have to tell you, it's worth not getting caught. Before you UE anywhere, make sure you have when, where, who, what, and why. Any equipment that could be perceived as burglar's tools or a means of gaining entrance through a blocked path are HUGE no-no's. Have a story ready, keep it simple. bring a camera and speak sincerely, eloquently, and at a normal pace (you would be surprised how legitimate this can make you sound.)
"Well sir, I know the hospital is being demolished, but the men working left the side gate open and I though if they left it open there wouldn't be too much dangerous stuff in there anymore, so I just decided to pop in with my friend and take a few pictures *produces Minolta and tripod*"
"Can I take a closer look at your camera?"
"Sorry sir, as a rule I don't let anyone handle my camera. It drives my buddies nuts. Hehe."
Or something to that effect can work very well.
Go WHEN you have the least likelihood of being seen/caught.
Only go with the people you would choose most!!! Urbexing with someone you feel has "meh" skills and attitude are a fast way to getting seen and caught.
Look like you belong there, but don't make stuff up about official business or some shit. Just tell the truth with the applicable corners cut right off.
\I think that's it, good luck and have fun.
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| | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 22 on 9/14/2006 1:29 AM >
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If its a pesky neighbor or otherwise unofficial person who isnt the owner, then claim you are the owner, or that your there keeping an eye on the place for the owner. (I pull the, "the owner heard some noise and called me to have me come down and check the place out, what the hell are you doing in here, or have you seen anyone suspicious lurking around?)
Wear nice clothes. If a cop finds you decked out in camo and boots hes gonna have a sneaking suspicion that you didnt just happen to pass through. I usually wear a nice polo and some khaki shorts with sneakers. I even wear sandals when im not going to be doing much terrain. This rule is especially important for the younger people, a cop might fine a kid he sees as a pot smoking vandalizing hooligan type, but hes probably gonna let the polite straight A student who has never gotten into trouble off with a warning.
Never bring more than you need. getting caught with bolt cutters and a lock pick set would be rather unfortunate. Only bring stuff that there is a good chance you'll need. And as soon as your done with it (ie. after youve picked the front gate) stash it somewhere. You can always come back and get it if you need it later and otherwise you can pick it up on your way out. If your caught, just come back in a day or so to retrieve your tools.
Don't act like you know what your doing. If you seem a little confused thats okay, the last thing you want is for this person to think your an expert thief or something. At the same time, stay calm and dont play completely stupid, the last thing you want to do is aggravate whoever caught you.
If you suck at talking to authority, bring someone who doesn't. Have a designated person who talks to anyone. I have a friend who is great at getting out of stuff and he has saved me several times. Some people are just gifted.
Don't say more than your asked. If they never ask you if you have stolen stuff in your bag, then don't tell them that you didn't steal anything. This will just make them suspicious of you for bringing up the idea that you could be stealing something. The only exception to this rule is questions. If you can think of a question ask it. "Whats the quickest way back to the parking lot" is a favorite of mine. But ask anything about the history of the location or machinery there or anything you can come up with. (except security features, if you ask about security it makes you seem like you know something about security because you've done stuff like before, or you want to learn about security because you plan to do stuff like this again.) This has been mentioned a lot before but it is really one of the most important, it turns the tide of the conversation on them rather than you.
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honeysdead
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<Reply # 23 on 9/15/2006 3:07 AM >
| | | | obviously this won't work for all locations, but it's good nonetheless. carry around a beat-up dog leash with you. see a security guard? fantastic! why? because you're looking for your lost dog. this works suprisingly well, especially when if I know I've been seen I go up to them and initiate a conversation about it. obviously you need to be a little prepared w/ a name & description, but it works. the worst I've had done to me is asking me to leave the property & leaving a number where I can be reached just in case they find fido.
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Hobosewer
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<Reply # 24 on 9/17/2006 7:43 AM >
|  | | | Whatever you do, DONT RUN
Success is like ladderrrr!! You can not climb with hands in pockets!!!!! |
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mattsb2000
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 25 on 9/17/2006 9:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by honeysdead
obviously this won't work for all locations, but it's good nonetheless. carry around a beat-up dog leash with you.
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That's awesome.
I get caught alot.
It's usually pretty funny. The cops will run my name, then flip out on me about the felony charges from a few years ago for gta.
The only thing I can add to this thread is don't be a moron. If you're going to tresspass do it for a reason. You are there to take pictures, then leave. Going with no camera is really stupid as you are just there to be there.... A cop/whatever will assume the worst.
Ghettotech
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iq72EfX
Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin
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| | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 26 on 9/17/2006 11:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by mattsb2000
the felony charges from a few years ago for gta.
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Story please.
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mattsb2000
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 27 on 9/17/2006 11:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by iq72EfX
Story please.
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I don't want to hijack this thread.
Maybe we could make a stupid shit you've done that made you go to jail thread in other.
Ghettotech
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 28 on 9/17/2006 11:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by mattsb2000
That's awesome.
I get caught alot.
It's usually pretty funny. The cops will run my name, then flip out on me about the felony charges from a few years ago for gta.
The only thing I can add to this thread is don't be a moron. If you're going to tresspass do it for a reason. You are there to take pictures, then leave. Going with no camera is really stupid as you are just there to be there.... A cop/whatever will assume the worst.
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Good point. They will indeed assume the worst! I got tagged, but when the cops saw images on my cards were what I told them I was doing, they were more friendly. It started off with a 12 gauge shotgun pointed at my chest at 10 feet.
Remember if some shit calls the cops because they thought your tripod was a sniper rifle...your gonna have a bad day.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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mattsb2000
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 29 on 9/18/2006 12:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Good point. They will indeed assume the worst! I got tagged, but when the cops saw images on my cards were what I told them I was doing, they were more friendly. It started off with a 12 gauge shotgun pointed at my chest at 10 feet.
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Shit, I didn't even get that when I got popped in a stolen car. I think they both had .40 cal pistols. That is a very real situation to be in.
You know what I mean Blackhawk.
Posted by blackhawk
Remember if some shit calls the cops because they thought your tripod was a sniper rifle...your gonna have a bad day.
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I carry mine like it's a rocket launcher.
As much as I don't like talking to the police, it is kinda fun.
Nice camera + bag full of lenses + tripod = Not a tagger / vandal
Ghettotech
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 30 on 9/18/2006 1:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by mattsb2000
Shit, I didn't even get that when I got popped in a stolen car. I think they both had .40 cal pistols. That is a very real situation to be in.
You know what I mean Blackhawk.
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I carefully showed him the tripod which was slung over my shooulder by s-l-o-w-l-y turning half way around with my hands over my head, saying "No gun!". When they realized they had used the entire police department to make a square mile perimeter, had a chopper and K-9s on the way, to capture a photographer they must have felt sorta lame. Shit, I couldn't believe all what I was seeing; I lost count after 5 or 6 cop cars, I'm told there was 10, plus the EM unit. Good fun.
Posted by mattsb2000
I carry mine like it's a rocket launcher.
As much as I don't like talking to the police, it is kinda fun.
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The persons that started all this were some 12 yo's that I walked right by, less than 20 feet away. There is no "safe" way to carry a black tripod when wearing camo, and web gear past morons! 
Nice camera + bag full of lenses + tripod = Not a tagger / vandal
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Exactly; vandals don't pack a couple grand of camera equipment.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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mattsb2000
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 31 on 9/18/2006 2:21 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
I carefully showed him the tripod which was slung over my shooulder by s-l-o-w-l-y turning half way around with my hands over my head, saying "No gun!". When they realized they had used the entire police department to make a square mile perimeter, had a chopper and K-9s on the way, to capture a photographer they must have felt sorta lame. Shit, I couldn't believe all what I was seeing; I lost count after 5 or 6 cop cars, I'm told there was 10, plus the EM unit. Good fun. |
Holy shit hahahahahahahaha
What sort of building was this? Industrial, hospital, office... ?
Posted by blackhawk
The persons that started all this were some 12 yo's that I walked right by, less than 20 feet away. There is no "safe" way to carry a black tripod when wearing camo, and web gear past morons! |
OMG DOODZ TEHR IS AN ARMY GUY GOIN UP IN TEH BUILDING OH NOES!@#?!!!11
zI THINK ITS TEH BASTARD THAT TOLD ME TO GROW A PAIR ON XBOX 360/
Ghettotech
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 32 on 9/18/2006 2:35 AM >
| | | | Posted by mattsb2000
Holy shit hahahahahahahaha
What sort of building was this? Industrial, hospital, office... ?
OMG DOODZ TEHR IS AN ARMY GUY GOIN UP IN TEH BUILDING OH NOES!@#?!!!11
zI THINK ITS TEH BASTARD THAT TOLD ME TO GROW A PAIR ON XBOX 360/
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It was a long abandoned site. "A man with a rifle is headed into the treeline."
This is why you never should carry tools, and especially weapons. I was squeaky clean, as far as offensive tools, or weapons. However I think at least one of the cops got poison ivy from patting me down. I warned him being the thoughtful bastard I am. I walked through tons of it that day; I never got so much as a blister.  At least I got a little laugh.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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mattsb2000
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 33 on 9/18/2006 2:50 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
It was a long abandoned site. "A man with a rifle is headed into the treeline."
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LOL! That definately gets the police excited.
Posted by blackhawk
This is why you never should carry tools, and especially weapons. I was squeaky clean, as far as offensive tools, or weapons. However I think at least one of the cops got poison ivy from patting me down. I warned him being the thoughtful bastard I am. I walked through tons of it that day; I never got so much as a blister. At least I got a little laugh.
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Read this part kids.
The poision ivy thing is funny too.
I carry a screwdriver, streamlight, box cutter / utility knife.
I need the screwdriver for mounting my camera to the quick release shoe I made.
The other shit needs no explination. And honestly I've never had a cop search my camera bag. They open the top and glance. OK, close it up.
ymmv
Ghettotech
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 34 on 9/18/2006 3:00 AM >
| | | | Ha-ha, how much they search depends on how excited you get them; they impounded and searched my car. They searched everything except my boots, which was fortunate as I had stashed my socks in them with my feet.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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mattsb2000
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<Reply # 35 on 9/18/2006 3:20 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Ha-ha, how much they search depends on how excited you get them; they impounded and searched my car. They searched everything except my boots, which was fortunate as I had stashed my socks in them with my feet.
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Exactly.
Now when I get pulled over they tear the car apart. Figure that one out.
Ghettotech
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 36 on 9/18/2006 3:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by mattsb2000
Exactly.
Now when I get pulled over they tear the car apart. Figure that one out.
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For some reason the seem to think you have drugs, or something else? That's never happen to me in traffic stops. Best to keep your hands in plain sight until the cop walks up to you. Never reached under the seat! Acting nervous merits a closer look, but you don't seem like the nervous type. Dopers & drunks use cigs and air fresheners to cover the smell; that can get the cop looking sometimes. Sometimes it's hard to figure out why they decide to search as we aren't privy to their intel.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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mattsb2000
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 37 on 9/18/2006 3:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
For some reason the seem to think you have drugs, or something else? That's never happen to me in traffic stops. Best to keep your hands in plain sight until the cop walks up to you. Never reached under the seat! Acting nervous merits a closer look, but you don't seem like the nervous type. Dopers & drunks use cigs and air fresheners to cover the smell; that can get the cop looking sometimes. Sometimes it's hard to figure out why they decide to search as we aren't privy to their intel.
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I pull the keys, and throw them on the dash.
Hands on the wheel.
I try to hide my copy of the Quran.
We used to be the meth capitol. So they assume everyone that has red eyes is on dope. I drink too much, but I don't drink and drive.
Getting pulled over in LA is fine. They just search my car and let me go.
SBPD, or the Sherrifs dept. fuck with me.
Such is life though.
Ghettotech
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 38 on 9/18/2006 4:06 AM >
| | | | Posted by mattsb2000
I pull the keys, and throw them on the dash.
Hands on the wheel.
I try to hide my copy of the Quran.
We used to be the meth capitol. So they assume everyone that has red eyes is on dope. I drink too much, but I don't drink and drive.
Getting pulled over in LA is fine. They just search my car and let me go.
SBPD, or the Sherrifs dept. fuck with me.
Such is life though.
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Ah, there's the problem! Gain 100 pounds and they'll never think your crankhead again....maybe the searches aren't so bad.
I've had enough cops for this year. More bad news; big lens attracts their attentions too unless it's a really big crowd. Just the other day: "What are you taking pictures of?" I wonder if they give the bad guys this much attention?
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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mattsb2000
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| | | Re: if you get caught
<Reply # 39 on 9/18/2006 4:37 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Ah, there's the problem! Gain 100 pounds and they'll never think your crankhead again....maybe the searches aren't so bad. |
I would be disgusting at 250.
Posted by blackhawk
I've had enough cops for this year. More bad news; big lens attracts their attentions too unless it's a really big crowd. Just the other day: "What are you taking pictures of?" I wonder if they give the bad guys this much attention?
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We should start our own "wire" service so we can all have press passes.
Or our own papers. I'm already an ordained minister....
Ghettotech
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