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 fonejack
   
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Male
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< on 1/18/2003 1:52 AM >
|  | | | I was contacted by a researcher from the McMaster Humanities newspaper with a request for a bit of information on the Hamilton UE scene.
Being that I'm not very established in the 'scene' and don't want to piss anyone off, I just figured that I'd inquire as to the wise-osity of answering some of his questions.
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fonejack
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 1 on 1/18/2003 2:04 AM >
| | | | If any other Hamilton area explorers would like to get their ten cents in, I could hook you up with his email address
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| |  | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 2 on 1/18/2003 2:26 AM >
| | | | Oh god... wrong place to ask about talking to the media, LMAO
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fonejack
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 3 on 1/18/2003 2:53 AM >
| | | | I just realised how true that is. I'm currently reading up on the opinions in the Infiltrators on TV thread.
I shouldn't have asked. 
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 4 on 1/18/2003 3:34 AM >
| | | | we recommend you dont talk to him.
huskies - such fluff. |
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mutiny
Location: Northeast PA
Gender: Male
Hi, how are you?
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<Reply # 5 on 1/18/2003 3:40 AM >
| | | | Indeed, the media only looks for what sounds good, and if it doesn't, they'll twist it into something undesireable.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 6 on 1/18/2003 4:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by mutiny
Indeed, the media only looks for what sounds good, and if it doesn't, they'll twist it into something undesireable.
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exactly, nothing whatsoever can be gained by talking to this reporter dude, except of course personal fame. if you do it solely for personal fame, then you ruin it for us all.
huskies - such fluff. |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 7 on 1/18/2003 7:30 AM >
| | | | Oh please.... don't get this shit started again... ruin ue for everyone, BULLSHIT. Each person is entitled to their opinion, true... as for our contact it has been WHOLLY POSITIVE. We have had NO increase in security, No negative repercussions, and have had many tips from "fans" that know of this place or that place. I've checked out some of the leads already and they have been very very good. We now have a full slate of future missions thanks to our media experience.
pretty much,the place with the MOST UE and MOST UE media coverage is Australia, and they are doing very well...
So the whole ruining ue thing, why don't we all just give it a rest ...
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asdafaf
Location: oe'r yonder
I have always been here before.
| | | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 8 on 1/18/2003 8:06 AM >
| | | | There are, indeed, reasons to work with the media beyond "personal fame." (This is not to say there are not drawbacks and risks, as well, of course.) For example ...
1) Someone has argued that raising police awareness of UE will make charges more likely upon capture. I think the opposite is true. Without knowing about UE, a cop finding a group of people somewhere they ain't supposed to be with gear, headlamps, etc is going to think "thieves," "vandals," or worse, "domestic terrorists," if you're inside a bridge, power plant, etc. With awareness that there is a subculture of people who respect sites and are there merely to explore and document will come greater latitude. Many cops are actually quite sympathetic to what we do when it is explained, and I've personally spoken to several who consider themselves explorers of a sort.
2) Better that a reporter talks to someone who will give an accurate and responsible portrayl of UE than having to settle for some moron without ethics or a clue.
3) Tips! Local media exposure gets local hits to one's site. This leads to a sharp spike in tips regarding potential locations, in our experience. People have been doing this forever, it is just that prior to the internet groups did not talk and "UE" was not formally named or defined. Many of the places we explore we'd never have heard about if not for some random person who emailed, saying "When I was in college in the 80's, there was this tunnel ... ," or "I love your site, even though I would never do the things you do. Anyway, my sister lives out in So-and-So, and there is this giant abandoned ..."
I could go on, but, on second thought, as I sober up a bit more, I remember not wanting to get involved in this argument. Oops.
It's 4 AM. I'm going to bed.
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ya t7911
Location: Athens, Georgia, US of A
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 9 on 1/18/2003 12:19 PM >
| | | | i think media attention has pros and cons. it depends on what media... if it were nbc or cnn, i'd say 'no way!' but a local paper isn't that bad. especially if its a liberal paper.
attention does draw attention, which can be bad, but it also raises awareness. not just for UE, but for the places. the time comes when every building will have to be restored or demolished. i would much rather see the rope factory (http://www.yellowalbert.net/buildings/ropefactory/index.html) be saved and converted to loft apartments than it be demolished.
but overall its your decision... but think about how it'll affect you and everyone else before you decide. and think about the reasons you're doing the interview/article. maybe you could ask the reporter to let you read the final draft of the article before it goes to print, so that if anything bad is said, you can ask him to reword it or take it out.
the media are people, and some of them are bad, and some of them are good. just find a good reporter to tell your story.
t7911.
http://www.yellowalbert.net
there are many paths to the mountain.
http://www.yellowalbert.net
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fonejack
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 10 on 1/19/2003 5:01 PM >
| | | | I didn't mean to start a little civil war
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NINE
Gender: Male
| | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 11 on 1/19/2003 10:01 PM >
| | | | I have seen a whole lot of media attention come and go, both here and in NYC. I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and mine is that media attention sux. I have never seen something go so terribly wrong as it has with the media, both in their attempts to raise awareness of UE, and their attempts to dismantle certain organizations. But it goes beyond that. Media attention seems to also divide explorers, from themselves and from their focus. I've tried to get it right a few times, and I've seen others do it well. I just can't say I've seen the benefit in it at all. This is of course all simply a product of my experience. It's all just been negative with reporters of any sort.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 12 on 1/19/2003 10:13 PM >
| | | | of course there are allways going to be differences of opinion and different experiences. From what i've seen there have been a lot of good experiences, and there have also been bad ones. Not all reporters are evil, but not all are good. We had 3 tv stations wanting to do the story, and I finally agreed to CTV because they seemed they would do it fairly, and I feel they did. But we were very very well prepared for it. The station had to agree to no unmasked faces, no identities, and had to sign a non-disclosure agreement to that effect. From those i've spoken to, the more prepared they were for the media, the better it went. it's been when the people weren't as well prepared for their crap, that the stories get twisted... but ecery case is unique
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Ninjalicious
Gone, but always with us
Location: Toronto
| | | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 13 on 1/20/2003 12:30 PM >
| | | | I don't think we're all likely to agree on anything more specific than "don't trust the media".
Many reporters go with the standard default story which I described to a reporter in this article (http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0010/tech-gunn.shtml). On the other hand, many journalists know what it's like to be driven to investigate unknown things.
I don't know an infalliable trick for determining whether or not a particular journalist will be an interested investigator or a collector of controversial soundbites (some of which they may make up themselves), but usually reading their past articles can give one a clue.
Ninj
http://www.infiltration.org
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 14 on 1/20/2003 10:05 PM >
| | | | Ninj, definitetly right. One thing I liked about what we did, was with the interviews all being on camera, and the non-disclosure agreement the reporter/station had to agree to, was that they effectively cannot make up a quote. The agreement stipulates that anything not done in the taped interview or given with express written consent, cannot be used. With a legal binding contract, if they broke it, they would be automatically at fault and guilty of breech of contract. That would leave them looking very very discredited and untrustworthy, causing problems for their future stories, as well as the monetary compensation which would surely be awarded to us in any lawsuit. It's just not worth it for them on a minor story to risk those things.
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Nvr2loud
 
Man with the golden shoes
Location: Huntsville, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 15 on 1/22/2003 1:18 AM >
| | | | Hey Max Action, you took all my opinions, argued againist me, and made me think twice about my statements..... good job! I'm the one who argued about changing the laws just like rappelling off a bridge, I still agree that is possible, but I also agree that the awareness of the police officer on site may be good for us. I never considered that an officer may be more aware and therefore treat me with respect. I have been nabbed for 'terrorism' while climbing around a bridge. The police thought that I was placing explosives or something on the bridge, I just wanted to rappel.
I've come to the conclusion, media attention has positive and negative consequences and that reporters shouldn't automatically be trusted.
Hey Fonejack, I'm from around Hamilton.... I wouldn't talk to the reporter, but I won't flame you or anyone else for it unless I get arrested directly due to the interiview (what are the chances of that happening? LOL)
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fonejack
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 16 on 1/22/2003 4:06 AM >
| | | | Hope it doesn't come to that. He's just asking why anyone would get into UE and that sort of non-vital stuff. Anything else that he finds out will probably come from various internet sites dedicated to the stuff, and there's no helping that, unless we all want to take our sites down or institute some sort of 'secret handshake'
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Media attention
<Reply # 17 on 1/22/2003 6:02 AM >
| | | | The thing about doing an interview is this: You hold a great deal of power, so be prepared very thoroughly, know what info you want to give, and what you don't. If you take the right precautions, the reporter can only use what you have definitely said, and you control that, so choose your words carefully to get the message you want out there across.
If it for the print media, bring a tape recorder, and on tape, inform the reporter that the interview will be taped to ensure that there is proof of what you have said, and he/she must agree to this on the tape. Once it's documented as such, if they quote you differently, you have proof that they did so, and they would be subject to legal recourse. They of course will not misquote you in a circumstance like that, it's basically a deterrant. They do similar things in phone transactions to ensure people can't back out of deals they agree to. It is accepted legally as verification, but it must be stated that it is happening, and both parties acknowledge it.
We had a non disclosure agreement we drafted up, and the reporter had to sign it, agreeing to our rules for what could be used. We had 3 tv stations trying to get to do the story, and ALL agreed to our rules. If you're unprepared, yes, they probably will take advantage of you and make you look like something you're not. But whether that could happen, is in your hands...
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