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 uem-Tux
    
Iron Wok Jan
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
UE Geek
 |  |  |  | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 20 on 1/24/2003 12:52 PM >
|  | | | There was no "discussion". Talk to sulfur-burnin' cjb over there.
UEM has a no vandalism (ergo, no B&E) policy and we adhere strictly to it. We don't wanna fuck up our favourite locations by giving police or others reasons to seal them more securely than they already are.
Plus, cops and other persons of authority here in Quebec/Montreal are fuckin' nuts most of the time. In the few encounters (all I can remember were non-UE related incidents) they behaved quite consistently in a predjudiced, alarmist, and mostly irrational fashion.
I would NOT want to get caught melting my way into a closed off tunnel by a Montreal cop. They'd probably beat me up, and I'm a bilingual white guy, I'd hate to think what'd happen if you were anglophone or in any way not caucasian.
Urban Exploration Montreal
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uem-Wotan
Noble Donor
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 21 on 1/24/2003 2:45 PM >
| | | | Tux is right on both counts. First, no B&E in any way - which makes us kinda dumb in a way. When we went back to the Brewery three weeks ago our regular entrance had been boarded off, so we had to go around a long way and had to resort to our physical prowess in order to get in. On the way out we realized that someone had cut a nice convenient hole in the fence. Hehe. But no, we will never advocate B&E, although just because it's a big no-no doesn't mean there shouldn't be any discussion about it.
Second, the cops here *are* nuts. They look okay, but... I've seen a cop hand out candy on Halloween; then again, he was literally throwing the chocolate bars at the kids. I shit you not. Although I doubt there would be dangerous physical violence associated with the capture of an urban explorer melting his way into a target, there would be some roughing up, and perhaps some unfortunate destruction of equipment... They're just friendly like that 'round here.
Asbestos, schmestos! |
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uem-Tux
Iron Wok Jan
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
UE Geek
| | | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 22 on 1/24/2003 4:02 PM >
| | | | Wotan's right, purely theoretical discussion of B&E should be allowed. Certainly nothing like cjb's post (i.e "I will provide you with equipment for breaking and entering" but purely theoretical stuff.
Just sayin'
Urban Exploration Montreal
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uem-Mokonax
Location: Montréal, Canada
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 23 on 1/24/2003 4:31 PM >
| | | | I've heard stories about people being beaten by the Metro cops here in Montreal for jumping the turnstiles. It makes me worried about what would happen if one was caught in the Metro tunnels themselves.
"Dark blue is the geek's black." - Tux, OPE 95
Urban Exploration Montreal |
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uem-Wotan
Noble Donor
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 24 on 1/24/2003 5:25 PM >
| | | | The metro security guards are not cops, though. They carry no weapons and, overall, operate in smaller, more confined areas where tons of people walk around. So they're a bit tense when the shit hits the fan. Actually, most security guards I've met or worked with are assholes (no offense to you if you're a guard, I don't know you!) with a couple of notable exceptions.
But hey, the key word in your post was "if"... hehehe.
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cjb
  
Location: Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 25 on 1/24/2003 8:18 PM >
| | | | to Avatar : sorry dude for posting illegal stuff,i never knew you couldnt talk about b&e....sorry again
to uem:what you say in some way is that you are too scared to make your way inside?when you enter a building,someone before you made a hole in a fence or a plywood in order you could enter.if u enter by this hole,you are using it,making it as illegal... dont take it personnal,i just like tu argue alot about everything 
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uem-Wotan
Noble Donor
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 26 on 1/24/2003 8:25 PM >
| | | | It's not that we won't use any entrance that's been "explorer-made." But, first of all, we don't carry any tools to make such entrances. If they can't prove we made the hole or cut the fence, then we get off with a trespassing fine. And second, if an abandoned building has been "securified" to a seemingly extreme point, then we usually rethink our approach to the target.
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cjb
Location: Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 27 on 1/24/2003 8:36 PM >
| | | | i'm trying to read between the lines,but basically all this says is that fear to get arrested is the only reason...
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uem-Tux
Iron Wok Jan
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
UE Geek
| | | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 28 on 1/24/2003 8:52 PM >
| | | | One of our members has a VERY good reason to not want to be caught. It's a calculated risk he takes every time he comes along.
Also, yes, of COURSE we fear being arrested. Having a criminal record limits your options in life, and we would MUCH prefer to simply be fined and sent on our way than arrested and charged. Seems like common sense to me.
As such, we have to be a little more creative in our entrances than simply smashing, burning, or prying our way in. Everyone has thier own interpretation of what UE is, but to me, it doesn't include anything destructive. I'm proud that my hobby goes against convention (and, incidentally, laws that unfairly limit us) but also that it doesn't hurt anyone.
I don't have a problem with the people who do the prying and jimmying so I don't have to, in fact, I owe them a debt for allowing me easier access, but it's not something I'm willing to undertake on my own.
Urban Exploration Montreal
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 29 on 1/24/2003 9:29 PM >
| | | | Well, talking about B&E is allowed... but there's a big difference between:
I dont approve of B&E. I prefer to go in through the window.
vs:
I took out my sulfur torch and ripped the grate off.
You dig?
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uem-Mokonax
Location: Montréal, Canada
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 30 on 1/24/2003 10:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by cjbsexx
if u enter by this hole,you are using it,making it as illegal...
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You can't be charged for B&E if you didn't do any B&E.
And besides, there's almost always more than one way in. If you resort to B&E you're just being lazy and dumb.
"Dark blue is the geek's black." - Tux, OPE 95
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Nismo
Location: Montreal. Lachine
Gender: Male
It's so vewy droi here
| | |  | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 31 on 1/25/2003 12:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mokonax
I've heard stories about people being beaten by the Metro cops here in Montreal for jumping the turnstiles. |
If a metro rent-a-cop beats you up you can have him arrested for assault since a metro cop has no right to assault a person, only the right to detain them until the police show up. Also if a metro cop confinscates your stuff that is theft because they do not have the power to take stuff from you unless its illegal wich they must hand over to the police.
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uem-Wotan
Noble Donor
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 32 on 1/25/2003 2:12 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
Well, talking about B&E is allowed... but there's a big difference between:
I dont approve of B&E. I prefer to go in through the window.
vs:
I took out my sulfur torch and ripped the grate off.
You dig?
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Nice summary. So if anyone here happens to do B&E on a regular basis, they should keep it to themselves. I mean, perhaps that beginning urban explorers are reading this forum, and I don't think it's very responsible to give them the impression that whipping out a crowbar is routine or even necessary in urban exploration.
Note, this isn't targeted at you, cjbsexx, I just hope that no hurt or ill consequences arise from someone reading the posts here - hence the forum rules.
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Stochastic Probability
Location: Barrie
Gender: Male
Yeah, well, keep it down, okay?
| |  | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 33 on 1/27/2003 6:13 AM >
| | | | yeah, some of the rent-a-cops or even the actual fuzz would love to nail you for even the e part of a b&e - i've heard horror stories especially about the quebec police, and my lack of ability en francais keeps me the hell on my side of the border. sad, because montreal does have some damn nice looking areas, judging by these and other pics i've seen
"People say that you'll die
faster than without water,
but we know it's just a lie,
scare your son, scare your daughter" |
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ec1ectro
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Gender: Male
| | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 34 on 1/27/2003 7:01 AM >
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Love those pix cjbsexx. They're great.
Personally, I don't think that there should be any discussion about specific ways into a place. If you think you need more specific information about access, I really think that's what private messages should be used for.
If you think about it, there is no need to discuss it openly, even hypothetically.
If I were to go to a specific site, say up in Montreal (where you guys have lots of great places) I would contact somebody in the know. Thats the great thing about these forums, we can network.
I think Mokonax is right. Having to discuss specific access points and methods is just being lazy (and unprofessional).
I'm not aiming this post at anyone in particular either.
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cjb
Location: Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 35 on 1/27/2003 12:19 PM >
| | | | eyh I wasnt the one begging for tunnel acess ehe
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freefallfred
| | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 36 on 1/27/2003 3:49 PM >
| | | | You know you have no life when you steal pictures, make up a story to impress your friends and also, write that those pictures are copyrighted to you and that you cannot use them elswewhere.
Anyway, for you guys' interest, those pictures were stolen from the AMT (Agence Métropolitaine de Transport) site.
http://www.amt.qc.ca/grandsprojets/metrolaval/envergure/cotelaval.asp
Quite a nice fake story cjbsexx!
Oh, makes me wonder how much of this is real too:
>I recommand it to everyone,exploring that tunnel was one of the greatest if not the best exploration trip I ever made,except maybe the catacombs of Vieux-Montreal
You know the pictures you posted (about the catacombs, yeah right) were probably from the Wellington tunnel, which is nothing like catacombs as it was used by cars...
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Shokan
Location: Brantford, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
From Brantford? Msg me ICQ - 87253370
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 37 on 1/27/2003 5:32 PM >
| | | | Well, someone got caught red handed.
"ALL these pictures are copyrighted and may NOT be copied without my consentment"
Uhm, yeah. Why did you make this story up?
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Capone
Location: London, Ontario
Gender: Male
UEL
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 38 on 1/27/2003 7:03 PM >
| | | | LOL
The jig is up!
So there I was, in this creepy old hallway... |
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Guys,Have a look at these pix theyre GREAT
<Reply # 39 on 1/27/2003 7:18 PM >
| | | | I put the "Custom titles" feature to good use and gave him a title of "plagiarist and general idiot"
huskies - such fluff. |
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