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 Kokopelli
 
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Gender: Male
Crack Smokin' Parrot
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<Reply # 20 on 12/14/2004 7:25 PM >
|  | | | A C2 breach charge, or whatever the hell the SWAT teams use, is guaranteed to most doors open with ease... 
Thinking seriously on the subject. I have read about using a coke can cut into strips and folded in different shapes will work similar to a slim-jim on doors. I have used it, playing around with it on the bedroom door and it does work. You just have to be able to see the latch for it to work. Most of the latches are spring loaded and can be opened while the door is closed and locked. Granted, there are probably some doors where this will not work. But I am tempted to try it on the doors to the stairwell on my college campus to gain access to the 5th floor. They have the doors setup where you can enter the stairwell, but not exit it unless you go down to the first floor.
"...Adapt yourself to the things among which your lot has been cast and love sincerely the fellow creatures with whom destiny has ordained that you shall live..." --Marcus Aurelius |
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Anymouse
   
Location: Calgary, AB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 12/14/2004 7:57 PM >
| | | | I will try to find the part number - but when I worked at the NAPA Auto Parts distribution centre (yup, glamourous job), I had came across an "Emergency door opener", which was this fold-out slim jim tool that had grooves for both cars and normal doors. Very handy little tool.
It was the BALKAMP line, I remember that. And I was supposed to immediately bring them to the supervisor's office whenever they showed up in returns, because we were not allowed to stock them in Canada - but the dumb front-counter pickers didn't know this, so I bought one on lunch break once : )
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Kokopelli
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Gender: Male
Crack Smokin' Parrot
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<Reply # 22 on 12/14/2004 8:19 PM >
| | | | Anymouse - that's basically what the coke can makes and you can get it for the price of a coke. ;)
If it is allowed, I can post instructions on how to make them.
"...Adapt yourself to the things among which your lot has been cast and love sincerely the fellow creatures with whom destiny has ordained that you shall live..." --Marcus Aurelius |
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Ibby
Location: Victoria
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 23 on 12/14/2004 10:32 PM >
|  | | | I'm curious as to where you can get GOOD lock picks in Canada. I thought they might get seized at customs but I went ahead and ordered them anyway.
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
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<Reply # 24 on 12/14/2004 10:56 PM >
| | | | Make them out of oil dipsticks. Works well.
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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Ibby
Location: Victoria
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 12/14/2004 11:02 PM >
| | | | I've got a not bad homemade set. I'm after a nice set with all the little intricate items I'm after, like this:
http://www.lockpic...VIEWPROD&ProdID=27
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
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<Reply # 26 on 12/14/2004 11:09 PM >
| | | | Wow, impressive. It would take a lot of effort to make something like that....
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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Captain Midnight
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia
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<Reply # 27 on 12/15/2004 3:02 PM >
| | | | The best feeling ever is picking a lock with a homemade pick. Its like better than opening presents I thought were from santa.
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Anymouse
Location: Calgary, AB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 28 on 12/15/2004 10:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by Captain Midnight
The best feeling ever is picking a lock with a homemade pick. Its like better than opening presents I thought were from santa.
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I may have to try making my own picks someday. I hear hacksaw blade and such work rather well - what did you use, and how did you do it?
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 29 on 12/15/2004 11:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by berenonehand
Make them out of oil dipsticks. Works well.
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My father makes his out of dipsticks. I bought mine, well, more acurately, Pixie bought them for me. Unfortunately I really suck at picking locks...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
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<Reply # 30 on 12/15/2004 11:12 PM >
| | | | Can I have them? 
I would suggest making the tensioner out of something wider and thicker, but dipsticks are good for basic picks. I've picked a few locks with them.
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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SnakeEyes
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 31 on 12/16/2004 3:33 AM >
| | | | Ok, easy lock pick making / lock bypassing 101:
First off, let me say that my keyboard (wireless) has been acting very spasticly lately, even though new bateries have been inserted. Tus, it drops letters out every once ina while, so please don't be too annoyed with the typos.
Some of you talked about "slipping the latch," which is where you push something to hit the door latch (the spring loaded/bevled thing that keeps the door in place when shut). There are two main ways of doing this. If the door opens away from you, then you can use a credit card, piece of mica, sheet metal, whatever to push the latch back into the door. This can tak some wiggling but on some doors where the installer wasn't lazy it will be nearly impossible. The other way is ifthe door opens towards you, and you can see the latch. Take a closehanger wire, strong piece of thread, or something similar and thread it around the latch and pull towards you. You may find tha it will "snap" open and shut quickly, not givingyou time to pull the door open. But if you keep a constant pull on the door handle, it will bind the lachmaking it impossible to slip. It'll take some practice.
However, most newer latch mechanisms have a second "finger" (looks like a half-moon shape, smaller than the main latch right next to it). On a properly designed door, when it is closed the smaller finger will be kept back, locking the larger, main latch in place, making it impossible to slip with the credit card technique. In your house, the internal doors probobly don't have the second latch, while the exterior doors probobly do. Take a look at how it works, it's pretty much common sense.
No about making your own picks. Some commonly used materals include windshiled wiper blade spine, metal street clearner bristles, hacksaw blades, and steak knives. Hacksaw blades work well, because they are cheap and easy to find. Run down to your local hardware store and buy some carbon hacksaw blade, and get yourself a bench grinder and a dremel. Now, before you start to cut away at the blade, learn everything you can abou lock picking. This may take some time. Now, what your wanting to do is make a tool that will fit into the lock, and lift the pins. The two thigns I findmost people do wrong when first making picks, is they make the shaft (the long skinner part from the ti of the pick to the wider handle) too skinny. This causes it to break off in the lock, making it a nightmare to get out if you don't know what your doing. The second mistake is they make the tip too large. Search the internet for pictures of picks, and base them off that. You will learn that there are two types of picks, those meant for raking (or "scrubbing") and those meant to lift each individual pin stack seperatly. You will probobly want 2 or 3 different rake-style picks (these often resemble real keys or "snake" shapes), and one or two "normal" picks (probobly a "diamond" style and feeler (aka "half hook") style. Your picks should be about 5-6" in length, so cut/break your hacksaws accordingly. I would also suggest grinding off the teeth of the hacksaw before starting. ALWAYS where safety goggles, and quench the hacksaw as your grinding it (that means dip it in a cup of cold water).
Now for the tension wrench (IE "tensioner," "torque wrench," or "turning tool"), use any thing that you can, even hacksaw blades. You don't need to be as accurate here as the pick, as long as it fits in the lock without impeding the movement of your pick and allows turning of the plug, your should be good. If you are having to bend the material you are using, Iwould suggest using a blowtorch to heat it till it glows then use two pliers to bend it, then put it in a cold cup of water to cool it off quickly.
I would highly recomend buying a pick set online, producers such as peterson (www.peterson-international.com) and southord (www.southord.com) are respectable and produce quality products, I personlly use the peterson elite set, but have many southord picks as well. The Bi-Fold set from peterson is a great set for the price.
Again, sorry for the horrible spelling.
Pity the poor agnostic dyslexic insomniac; he stays up all night, wondering if there really is a dog. |
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Captain Midnight
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia
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<Reply # 32 on 12/16/2004 5:36 AM >
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I make my picks from a hacksaw blade... one blade will make you 3 picks... I used the method snake eyes described... grind/quench.... I put a grinding wheel bit in a power drill and put that in a vice with a clamp on the trigger... basically grind the blade until its gets hot then quench it in cold water... if you don't wear gloves(be careful) its quite easy to figure out when to quench. Use some fine grit sand paper to smooth out your creations before you enter a lock. I prefer the half diamond and hook picks....and I grinded a couple allen keys into different sized tension wrenches... I totally agree with snake eyes about making the shaft too small and the tip too large... definatly no good... I've also made picks out of bicycle spokes... but the hacksaw blade is easier/nicer...
If you don't want to be discouraged picking start with something easy... desk/drawer locks are the easiest locks to pick, practicing on one of those will help to develope your jedi lock picking powers... it also helps to set the pins one by one rather than raking em, although raking can be much faster.. if your lucky.
If you search around for long enough you'll find pick shapes/templates
http://www.lockpicking101.com/
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Inphenity
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 33 on 12/16/2004 6:17 AM >
| | | | theres also a video about making picks on that site .. do a search for the pyro vid
... well yea actually this is a flashlight in my pocket .. but im still happy to see you |
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Captain Midnight
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia
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<Reply # 34 on 12/17/2004 1:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by Inphenity
theres also a video about making picks on that site .. do a search for the pyro vid
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totally
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reduxzero
Location: Edmonton, AB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 35 on 12/17/2004 7:35 AM >
| | | | I'd like to say that, the biggest thing I've learned about lockpicks is that most of the time, you don't need them. Leave them at home unless you've already scouted the location top to bottom and there is no other bypass. If indeed there is no other way, then be careful.
Oh- and I'm nowhere near as good as Anymouse thinks I am.
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Anymouse
Location: Calgary, AB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 36 on 12/17/2004 10:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by reduxzero
Oh- and I'm nowhere near as good as Anymouse thinks I am.
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Redux is actually god at lockpicks - he just doesn't want the men in black suits to find out and take him away because of it.
Although seriously - he is very skilled - and no doubt owes it to tons of practice - but he's right, in 99% of the cases, there is absolutely no need for lockpicks. Lockpicks simply replace patience, if you are in a hurry and do not feel like taking your time, being creative, or waiting for an ideal opportunity - they are the fast way in.
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Ibby
Location: Victoria
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 37 on 12/18/2004 12:34 AM >
| | | | I'm not bad with them myself (had courses even!), I just don't have any, and I've never been happy with the ones I make myself. Does anyone know of any Canadian distributors of such things? I'm tired of stuff getting pinched at customs...
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
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<Reply # 38 on 12/18/2004 2:55 AM >
| | | | Would it be possible to ship them to someone in the states and then up to Canada? That might be the best way to go.
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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Ibby
Location: Victoria
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 39 on 12/18/2004 7:50 AM >
| | | | They still have to get through customs. Maybe I'll wait til I'm working down there next time...
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