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< on 12/3/2004 7:01 PM >
|  | | | I've thought about this a lot, but figured there was a lot of work involved in getting a plane/camera all that good stuff together, but it looks like a lot of folks have already perfected the art...
http://www.ehgp.co...database/index.htm
I think this would be a good way to avoid "trespassing" but getting a chance to see what's on the other side of the hill or fence...
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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White Rabbit
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Location: Missouri
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<Reply # 1 on 12/3/2004 10:25 PM >
| | | | The sell (or used to) little model rockets at Wal-mart that had a crappy little 110 film camera built into them. You shot it up, it takes a picture as it comes down. Probably not the best quality, but if all you want is to see the other side of something, it'd be waaaay cheaper than an RC. Like $30 bucks if I remember right.
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andrea
  
Location: Baltimore MD
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<Reply # 2 on 12/4/2004 1:20 AM >
| | | | Posted by White Rabbit
The sell (or used to) little model rockets at Wal-mart that had a crappy little 110 film camera built into them.
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Yeah then you gotta find the damn thing. My brother and I did the model rocket thing for a bit....
This seems like a good idea, but you might freak a bunch of people out even more if they see some random thing floating around in the air... I see a new wave of UFO sitings...
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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Kirby
Location: St. John's, Newfoundland
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 3 on 12/4/2004 3:00 AM >
| | | | i seen this thing on discovery channel, where the suspended a remote controled camera from a kite, and the pictures were amazing. the camera had pan/tilt/zoom controls ect.
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Chainsaw
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| | | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 4 on 12/6/2004 7:09 PM >
| | | | I'm thinking RC Blimp myself. Get a few hundred square feet of mylar to build an envelope, a few electric RC airplane motors for directional control and a cheap timed camera.
I like the blimp to airplane idea because you could have a lot more air time, helium is cheap. Airplanes have that nasty requirement of forward movement to remail aloft and RC helicopters are way too complicated/expensive.
A big silver blimp is also a lot easier to find in a field than a rocket or airplane. Bring along a roll of duct tape for repairs and short of a catastrophic motor failure you can fly it as long as your radio batteries last.
Luckily because of my BattleBot project I actually own a six channel radio and a pile of servos...
http://www.homeste...nandlisa/bot2.html
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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mgruss
Location: Chicago, Il
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 5 on 12/8/2004 3:54 PM >
| | | | I know AS&S, sciplus.com, sells blimps. You could get wireless cameras on ebay, but the range and quality is horrible.
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 6 on 12/9/2004 4:56 AM >
| | | | I have one of those toy RC blimps, it's not big enough to mount any kind of camera on, unless I added some helium balloons to it.
One problem with blimps (at least mine) is that rouge gusts of wind tend to carry it off rather fast. I only fly mine indoors, but if it gets within a few feet of an air duct it usually gets sucked/blown totally out of control. You'd likely need some pretty large motors/batteries to counteract the force of wind on a large inflated surface.
I'm thinking of building a cheap R/C plane this summer, using one of those big styrofoam toy gliders: http://www.plumcre...ullsize/020101.jpg
I figure I'll stick an .049 gas engine on top, and put pontoons on the wingtips for water landings. I doubt it will be able to carry much of a payload past the fuel tank and servo gear, but maybe I can add a disposable digital camera as well.
Similar project with two cameras: http://www.bae.uky...b/rc_airplanes.htm
I have an old wireless camera and a pocket TV, but the camera is kind of heavy.
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Skaught
Location: Calgary
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| | | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 7 on 12/9/2004 8:21 AM >
| | | | I think a big helium balloon on 2 1 thousand foot kite strings would work well. That way you and your buddy could even aim it and get sorta stable shots.
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Kirby
Location: St. John's, Newfoundland
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 8 on 12/10/2004 2:40 AM >
| | | | Like i said, i seen a kite with a remote controled camera hanging about 10 feet below the kite. Amazing pictures and it worked extremely well, ill see if i can search it up.
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Chainsaw
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| | | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 10 on 12/10/2004 4:02 PM >
| | | | I think I can come up with something better for $750 than that one slickis.
I still like the blimp idea, but I dont' think the toys for sale would do the trick.
I also had a brilliant flash of insight about making money with this sort of thing.
Cell towers are expensive, it's hard to get permits to put up tall towers, land is expensive.
Well, the USArmy is working with some applied materials company. This company has built a lightweight thin flexible photovoltaic (sp?) they will be using on tents which will allow soldiers to recharge batteries and run gear (the average use foot soldier sues 21 AA batteries a week in Iraq) without the noise and weight of a generator.
So, I'm thinking, make a blimp and cover it with the photovols!
Put a gps and a fairly dumb autopilot in it, put your transmitter/repeater in it, launch the sucker....walk away.
Anyway...needs a lot more work, but without having to fuel the blimp or run a ground line to power your onboard electronics you could put them up fairly inexpensively.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 11 on 12/10/2004 6:59 PM >
| | | | I think I've seen that concept somewhere, maybe popular science or slashdot. They were either going to use blimps or solar planes as a sort of cheap satellite alternative for big cities.
A friend of mine wanted to put a wireless access point on a weather balloon, and either tether it with a really long ethernet cord (amplified and running power-over ethernet), or have a passive WiFi repeater. Our tests with passive repeaters weren't too great, and he figured some redneck would probably shoot it down. We then tried putting an active repeater in my 8th floor dorm room, it worked great but he never got his end working.
Anyway, to not go completely off-topic, I'm waiting for those damn disposable digital cameras to show up in stores here. I really want to put one on a rocket or plane (Wal-mart has $20 rechargable electric RC planes now), but it takes too long for new products to get up here 
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bigshooter
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 12 on 12/10/2004 7:26 PM >
| | | | Freak, I'm heading your way in about 6 months. If you still don't have them, I can deliver a care package...
What would the FAA think of a blimp with photovoltics and a remote camera floating over Denver? Not to mention what the Big Brother Department would have to say about someone moving in on thier turf ;)
If your going to put thousands of dollars into an rc blimp or a/c, why not just buy an ultra light kit and fly yourself? I've often been tempted by the thought of flying to work in a gyrocopter, but I don't have the space. Nor the Money... Also, I'm nor sure about air space restrictions for me, I live in a metro area. I could only imagine what you might find with an ultra light in Alaska. Just hope like hell your engine doesn't konk out or freeze or something.
We had one of those ISO-110 model rockets in the high school aerospace club. The pictures were really grainy and fuzzy. Not sure how much use they'd be without modification. Here's a tip on recover; those little radio locaters they sell for your nose cap are great. And keep some kind of collapsible rod or stick for tree-recoveries.
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Chainsaw
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| | | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 13 on 12/10/2004 10:45 PM >
| | | | Eh, the FAA would give you some grief, but really, the FAA responds to MONEY, if you can find a way to make money with it you can do it.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 14 on 12/10/2004 11:50 PM >
| | | | Bigshooter: send me a PM or email when you're coming up here, I'm not sure where I'll be in the state but I know of some good sites in most cities.
Ultralights aren't used much up here, the weather and terrain is too extreme in most places. Most people who want to fly just buy a piper cub or something, although I believe there is an ultralight club and field in Fairbanks (only place I've seen hot air balloons too).
The university here launches medium-size rockets (surplus AA missiles) occasionally, I helped program a ground control program last year for them. It includes a live video feed from a webcam on the rocket, so you can watch it go up and lawn-dart into the tundra somewhere (the camera and experimental plasma stuff took up too much room to add a parachute). When I hear the schedule for that launch I'll have to remember to post the link on here 
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r_3_d
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<Reply # 15 on 12/14/2004 10:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by White Rabbit
The sell (or used to) little model rockets at Wal-mart that had a crappy little 110 film camera built into them. You shot it up, it takes a picture as it comes down. Probably not the best quality, but if all you want is to see the other side of something, it'd be waaaay cheaper than an RC. Like $30 bucks if I remember right.
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after reading this thread, i went out and bought that rocket.
the entire kit costs 40 bucks (american). i had to get the whole kit cuz ive never been into rockets so i didnt have the launch pad and all that crap, otherwise you can buy the rocket for 14 bucks on the net.
what a waste tho......
when it broke apart, the nose of the rocket containing the camera was lost.
instead of buying another rocket and spending at least 2 bucks a launch (not counting lost rockets and picture developing), ive decided it would be cheaper to save up for a RC helicopter with a camera on it.
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Louie
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<Reply # 16 on 12/17/2004 3:27 AM >
| | | | i wouldnt be caught dead flying an rc plane over a power plant. too much risk.
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PAWolf
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Location: KCMO
Gender: Male
We haven't located us yet.
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<Reply # 17 on 12/17/2004 5:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by fatLouie
i wouldnt be caught dead flying an rc plane over a power plant. too much risk.
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Interesting choice of words. I think if you were caught you might end up dead.
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 18 on 12/18/2004 10:14 AM >
| | | | Let say you had a powerful transmitter that allowed you to operate the plane from a long distance away. You could use a plastic/styrofoam construction and it would be small enough not to show on radar (or appear as a bird), and if you painted it with a camoflage or bird pattern and had a quiet motor no one would ever notice. You could even have a high-altitude RC glider with a camera circle over the plant, on the stack's own thermals.
If I lived anywhere near Area 51 I'd probably do a variant of this. A lightweight, camoflaged plane, probably with an onboard computer (BASIC stamp or similar) to guide it over the base (I'm sure they routinely jam RC signals). It could be programmed to transmit data to the ground via an IR beacon or just overfly a programmed point and drop a film/tape for later pickup. This would avoid the plane transmitting radio signals which would be detected. I'm not sure if the military has radar that can track a miniDV tape parachuting from an RC plane, although I've personally seen an AA gun that can track birds several miles away.
I don't know if anyone's actually tried this. Can't seem to find any links on it, and Art Bell or whoever replaced him is on an illuminati kick lately.
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Duke
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Location: Awww-shitby, Ontario
Gender: Male
Move it or lose it
| | Re: Ariel RC Photography for Scouting
<Reply # 19 on 12/19/2004 2:01 AM >
| | | | You know you don't need helium to have a blimp. I saw this "personal airship" for sale on some gadget site, basically it was a long tube with a fan and a tiny little heater coil at the bottom. it just used a huge kite string to keep it in reign. pair this with one of those dirt-cheap like $20 digital cameras that they seem to sell everywhere now (radio sack, staples even) and you have your airborn recon. just need another kite string to operate the camera. Keep it slacked untill you need to take a picture then give it a tug. of course the picture will be kinda low res, but if you just wanna know what's on a roof, or the layout of a building from above, it would suffice.
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