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 Servo
   
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< on 8/27/2004 3:13 AM >
|  | | | Ok, I suggested this in another thread but I think it deserves its own.
I have issues with the Encyclopedia, specifically, many of the entries are either off-topic or simply crap. Here's a few examples.
Good entries:
Knots, Types of
Asbestos
Hibernaculum
You notice that these entries contain a good amount of information, have details on how the subject matter is related to UE, and include See Also type links.
Etymology entries:
Jestering
Chuckable Tripod
I think these types of entries are OK because they are terms which have arisen in the community and might be obscure to newbies. They are sometimes more in-joke than anything else, but it seems reasonable to add them since they become actual useful terms.
Entries which should be expanded:
Camera Lens
Construction Site
These entries are somewhat related to UE but need far more information to make them useful. For instance, the second one could discuss hazards specific to construction sites, common interesting types of construction, etc.
Entries which are not directly related to UE:
Telephoto lens
Poor Man's Security System
These might be decent entries, but why are they any different than what one could get from Wikipedia or any other such reference source? For this type of entry to be useful, it needs to include information specifically relevant to UE. For example, the second one could include statistics about how often warning signs are fake, or how to tell a fake warning sign from a real one, etc.
Entries which appear to have been added so the author could get the Encyclopedia star:
Memory Card
Nights
These may need both expansion and specificness to UE. Or they might really just have nothing to do with UE at all and need to be removed.
So, to help this problem, I'd propose we implement a rating system with two categories, similar to how the LocDB has its three-category system. The first category would be Quality of Article, to rate the depth of research and information that was found in the article. The second category would be Relevance to UE, which would rate how well the article related its subject matter to UE. These together would give the article an overall score, and you would need more than 5 articles with a score of 7 or better to get the star.
If you can think of additional rating fields, then please post them. But I think a rating system would go a long way towards helping to screen out some of the crap posted in the Encyclopedia.
[last edit 8/27/2004 3:14 AM by Servo - edited 1 times]
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Mark
  
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 1 on 8/27/2004 3:54 AM >
| | | | Yeah its not a bad idea. I think a few you choose could be useful like poor man security. Also telephoto lense as this is a heavly camera based community.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Servo
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<Reply # 2 on 8/27/2004 3:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
I think a few you choose could be useful like poor man security. Also telephoto lense as this is a heavly camera based community.
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Yeah, that's why I suggested two different rating categories -- they might not be bad articles but they need to be fleshed out to be more relevant to UE.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 3 on 8/27/2004 3:59 AM >
| | | | makes sense. maybe a catagorical UE encylopedia like a real encylopedia?
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Drie
Rat-Hole Chic
Location: Hudson Valley NY
Gender: Female
bringing it back.
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<Reply # 4 on 8/31/2004 11:04 PM >
| | | | Gonna have to disagree on this one. We have a billion newbs here all the time who might actually want to know what a memory card is, since it's kicked around so much. I have heard, believe it or not, that newbs actually READ the encyclopedia. sometimes ALL of it. So maybe leaving out things that get kicked around a lot is not such a good idea. I mean, yeah, you can delete things like "WOOD". But memory card, and stuff like that, if it's kinda useful, i think it's ok to leave it.
Drie - www.synestheticlight.com
"In the absence of the living, there still exists a life." |
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Servo
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<Reply # 5 on 9/1/2004 12:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by Drie
But memory card, and stuff like that, if it's kinda useful, i think it's ok to leave it.
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Well, but that doesn't preclude that maybe there should be a ratings system to encourage better entries that what are there currently. For instance, the memory card entry used to simply has a picture of a memory card but tell you nothing about sizes, speeds, brands... all important information. Although I noticed that since I posted this thread someone's thoughtfully gone back and added a lot more information.
That's uncommon though, and there's no real motivation for anyone to go edit those articles and fix them because they get no credit for doing so. (or do they?)
Feh, everyone ignored the idea anyway, so never mind.
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arcanehl
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 6 on 9/1/2004 12:34 AM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
Although I noticed that since I posted this thread someone's thoughtfully gone back and added a lot more information.
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You're welcome. I felt that if the entry was going to be deleted, it should be because of lack of relevancy not because it sucked. And besides, it wasn't that hard to add some basic information to it.
That's uncommon though, and there's no real motivation for anyone to go edit those articles and fix them because they get no credit for doing so. (or do they?)
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I used to regularly fix entries when the encyclopedia was smaller without credit. Just wanted the entries have correct grammar and spelling.
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Anymouse
 
Location: Calgary, AB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 7 on 9/1/2004 6:46 AM >
| | | | I've added to a few entries without credit. I don't think credit (or a little star) should be the motivation for contributing to the encyclopedia. Isn't it there to help promote knowledge in UE?
Plus, some entries might seem really pointless - but they are location specific. For example, I had no idea what an "RCB" was. Turns out it's a "Rectangular Concrete Box". In Calgary, for the last few years - we've always called them "Ducts", because that's what the city calls them. UE is full of so much regional slang that it helps to know what is what in each area.
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Servo
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<Reply # 8 on 9/1/2004 7:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by Anymouse
I don't think credit (or a little star) should be the motivation for contributing to the encyclopedia. Isn't it there to help promote knowledge in UE?
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Oh I agree fully, I'm more worried about the converse, that people contribute crap to get the star.
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Skaught
Location: Calgary
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 9 on 9/1/2004 7:51 AM >
| | | | Hmm, to state my views on this one. . . bah, those that know me know where my intentions are and those that don't would likely be less likely to give me a trusted star . . .
If you ever come to Calgary then email [email protected] and you'll be made welcome, taken to locations and given free accommodation. We'll help save you the $$$ you spend on the flight over here :) |
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Beryl
Not as fluffy as Av!
Location: Germany
Gender: Male
Uncle Beryl
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<Reply # 10 on 9/1/2004 9:38 AM >
| | | | Yeah, I've noticed a few worthless entries like bat (Who doesn't know what a bat is? Why does it belong here?) show up lately but I also saw this (which is also this and this) for the first time. I don't find Pigeons to be very UE related at all, but apparently they are worth three entries?
A voting system wouldn't necessarily cut down on the amount of entries unless some were deleted when they reached a certain level...
Licentious acrimonious puer æternus. Libertine. |
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tbone
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 11 on 9/1/2004 5:01 PM >
| | | | i'll agree
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Avatar-X
 
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 12 on 9/1/2004 5:42 PM >
| | | | I think I'm going to ditch the encyclopedia star. It just promotes pointless entries.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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mada
Noble Donor
Location: Orange County, California
Gender: Male
23437
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<Reply # 13 on 9/1/2004 7:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I think I'm going to ditch the encyclopedia star. It just promotes pointless entries.
-av
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Good idea.
The following sentence is false. The preceding sentence is true.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 14 on 9/2/2004 4:13 AM >
| | | | you have to admit that was a nifty icon
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Anymouse
Location: Calgary, AB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 15 on 9/2/2004 5:02 AM >
| | | | The stapler is a much cooler icon.
Where do these icons come from, anyways? Does UER have a talented pixel artist?
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
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<Reply # 16 on 9/2/2004 2:29 PM >
| | | | Well someone must have done something about this issue, cause I lost my star... again.
-paces off in a swearing fury-
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
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Servo
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<Reply # 17 on 9/2/2004 5:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by Trailer Park Supervisor
Well someone must have done something about this issue, cause I lost my star... again.
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Read up a few posts...
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
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<Reply # 18 on 9/2/2004 7:02 PM >
| | | | My mistake then, good choice Av... the thing was getting a bit ridiculous anyway.
I like stars 
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
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The Hitman's Daughter
Account Closed
Location: ottawa, canada
Gender: Female
hot pavement.
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<Reply # 19 on 9/8/2004 1:11 AM >
| | | | ok there is a serious amount of bullshit in the encyclopedia.
like two entries for pigeons? ("pigeon" and "air-rat")
Not that the pigeon entry is bullshit, (and I don't mean anything personal against the person who created these entries), i mean i guess that's somewhat relative to UE. But under "pigeon" it just says "See air-rat".
It also brings up the notion that people are going to start making encyclopedia entries for every possible living creature that could be found in an exploring situation - possums, rats, owls, mice, badgers, snakes, bugs, groundhogs, skunks, spiders, sparrows, hippos, walruses... And not only that, but a seperate encyclopedia entry for every nick-name each animal has.
I donno. I think ditching the encyclopedia icon is a good call. For this very reason.
edit: I didn't realize that Beryl had already pointed out the air-rat thing when I posted this. I also didn't realize there was an entry for "SKY-RAT" as well as "pigeon" and "air-rat". god damn!
[last edit 9/8/2004 1:16 AM by The Hitman's Daughter - edited 2 times]
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